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[Anne Bonney]

Ya know why your a asshole because you waste peoples time, that's why.

Ok.....first, another English lesson.  

Separate your sentences, like this....."Ya know why your (sic.....it's a contraction Danny, therefore use "you're") a (sic, should be "an") asshole? (Notice the use of the question mark after a question?)  Because you waste peoples ("People" is a plural verb, so you need to put 's to the end of the verb) time, that's (hey, congrats on the proper use of a contraction!) why.  

Now, on to the use of "A" v. "AN"

A vs. An

Use the indefinite article a / an before singular count nouns. Use a before consonant sounds, and use an before vowel sounds.

    * an apple
    * a bear
    * an ostrich
    * a camel
    * an awful sound
    * a rotten egg
    * an ugly cat
    * a small elephant
    * an elephant

Words That Start with H or U

Be careful of words that start with h or u. Some words that begin with these two letters start with a vowel sound and some start with a consonant sound.

For words that start with h, we use a when the h is pronounced, and we use an when the h is silent.

    * a helicopter
    * an honest politician
    * an hour
    * a hopeful dreamer

For words that begin with u, we use a when the u is pronounced as a consonant, and an when the u is pronounced as a vowel.

    * an umbrella
    * a unicorn
    * a university
    * an unusual gift

So, your sentence should read thusly (although it's debatable on whether or not the "that's why" was correct).......


Ya know why you're an asshole?  Because you waste people's time, that's why.

You talk in circles and make absolutely no sense at all.

Oh for fuck's sake Danny......talk about projection on your part.  Half the time no one can understand what you attempt to write.

I don't care That Much For AA, you dumbass,

 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:


And just out of curiosity, why did you capitalize "That Much For"?  Weird.

Bull.  Farking.  Shit.  You care deeply or you wouldn't get so offended whenever AA is criticized.

please read this carefully, it is not about whether I or you like AA, it is about finding someone that can quote at least one genuine experience.

Ok....you found one.  Now what?  What would you like to know?

Who understands what is in the book and can quote it accurately.

Ok....you found one.  Now what?  What would you like to know?

But hey, what the fuck do I know.

Not much.

Last note there, "bloody good show",
Why would you get on a world wide web and give a opinion {AN opinion!!!!  AN!!!!!  Not A opinion!!!!} and share your experience about AA, when 1) you never read the Book and 2) have a total of 5 people you met in AA as your experience and you base your experience on their characters.

I don't remember him saying that, but I could have missed it.  Could you point me to where he said that?  But, who cares anyway?  His experience is his experience.  Why shouldn't he be entitled to speak of it wherever and whenever he chooses?  If you don't like it, or don't think it makes any sense then just skip over it.  It's not that difficult to do.

[Anne Bonney]

Maybe DannyB is a genus master mind that really hates AA and wants to give it a bad name by having it associated with his fucktard posts

You may be onto something there!  I've been saying for a while now that he's a PERFECT example of what Elan/Daytop/etc. can do to a person.  He's been on some form of 'self help, newage, guru worship' quest for most of his life, apparently.  Look at all the "good" it's done for him!

 :rocker:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

[Joel]

Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010

[Che Gookin]

Danny

Danny do you want to meet somewhere neutral and go a few rounds?  I think an older person like yourself needs a reality check every now and then!  :rocker:

I don't think Danny is gay, so I suspect he's going to turn you down.

[justonemore]

Reformed... i take exception. Fishing is not about catching unless you're commercial. it's about being there. Hunting is not about killing, it's about ' how shall I live? ' The experience is about watching, knowing the worlds around you, seeing again that what you think is not so important as what actually happens. There is life abundant, sometimes beautiful, sometimes terrible, and you're in the middle of it. Sometimes it will kill you, sometimes it will redeem you. Figure it out as best you can, as fast as you can. " Love, and do what you will"
J.O.M.

[reformed12stepper]

That's one of the aspects of AA that I don't have a problem with at all.  If it's used as a support group....people who are trying to quit drinking, hanging out with others who either have quit or are trying is great!  The 12 Steps, Big Book, 12 & 12, Sponsors etc. are what I have a problem with.  To me, they teach powerlessness, which I don't believe is true....no one is powerless over picking up a drink.  They might become powerless over their actions AFTER they start drinking, but nobody's powerless over having a drink or not.

The tenets also, IMO, teach that the 'self' is not to be trusted.  It teaches that one's will is to be turned over to someone (sponsor, group) or something.  I've watched numerous sponsors destroy marriages because they felt that the spouse wasn't supportive enough of AA and therefore a 'threat' to the sponsees sobriety.  I've watched numerous sponsors advise sponsees to go off their prescribed medication because the sponsor deems it a 'threat' to sobriety.  I've watched numerous incidents of "13th stepping"......guys preying on vulnerable newcomer girls, further damaging their already fragile self esteem.

A group that gathers to support each other in their efforts to quit drinking is fine....but to tell them that they're "signing their own death warrant" if they leave 'the rooms' is deplorable.

Its funny you mention sponsors. I was not around long enough to get one. But i liked the idea at first. I am a chef by trade and as a young fellow had obviously been an apprentice. I had also hired many apprentices in my own restaurant so the idea of mentoring someone else or having a mentor who might be for lack of a better term be further along in the journey and therefore perhaps a little wiser actually appealed to me. I can remember some sponsors seeming like they were really good at it in terms of being really good non judgmental listeners. I think also for people who are a bit socially isolated and just dont have any family or friends to really turn to when they are particularly blue a sponsor is a great idea. Having said that because aa is designed to be an amateur organization, there is not screening process and where i am from not that many ground rules or complaint mechanisms for when a sponsor goes bad. Thus i saw some sponsors get a little bit dogmatic and controlling. It was also an excellent tool for seedy "13th steppers" to try and crack onto people who were perhaps going through a bit of a vulnerable period of their life.
As to the hunter and fisherman. I am told that this tranquility is the appeal. I think my deal is that i am too add to sit down for that long. But as the french say viva la difference :seg:

[Joel]

Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010

[DannyB II]

Ursus wrote:
Who determines whether or not someone "understands what is in the book," and whether or not they "can quote at least one genuine experience," and whether or not they "can quote it accurately?"

And why, if you "don't care That Much For AA, you dumbass," would you even bother yourself with whether or not someone does or does not "understand?"

Ursus if you had read the posts with objectivity, then had some understanding of AA (helps if you read and studied the book), we could have a intelligent conversation about what you are asking. But as usual you are just reacting because you find my comments to "Reform" not to your liking.
It is very hard to talk with anyone who does not have first hand knowledge of AA because of it's inherent principles concerning authority, public reletions, guiding folks through the steps, groups, ect.....It is very easy to have a negative experience with AA because there are no enforceable laws, strict disciplines, covenents on socialization ect....
AA is the "Big Book", how you want to interpret, talk about and so on is your business.
I just want to make sure folks know that "AA" GSO in NYC is not endorsing all this crap that goes on in the groups across America and the world.
You called me a dumbass, since when do you dumpster dive with the mass.

[Ursus]

You called me a dumbass, since when do you dumpster dive with the mass.

Au contraire. Check it again. That was your quote, I merely quoted you.

Don't flatter yourself too much here... If I have any say in it, I wouldn't be caught dead in the dumpster with the likes of you!  






J/K Danny; I couldn't resist the dumpster reference!  :seg:

[DannyB II]

You called me a dumbass, since when do you dumpster dive with the mass.

Au contraire. Check it again. That was your quote, I merely quoted you.

Don't flatter yourself too much here... If I have any say in it, I wouldn't be caught dead in the dumpster with the likes of you!  

Wow ouch!!!!!!!! "With the likes of me", have we really come this far in our relationship that you are now hurling condescending remarks my way. I guess I have arrived, finally...... :cheers:

[Trincypris12]

There is a real dependence on 'twelve' dogma, no less than many Christian literalists, and the same rage when dogma is questioned.


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[DannyB II]

There is a real dependence on 'twelve' dogma, no less than many Christian literalists, and the same rage when dogma is questioned.

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I have a question," Do you acknowledge your need to attack folks who support AA's dogma, with the same rage you claim 12 step supporters have for your dogma???
I also have one request from you, please. Would you post a article from AA World Headquaters, GSO NYC, that argues, criticizes, condescends or otherwise debases another person, organization, or entity concerning the "Self-Help" industry.

Thanks...

[Ursus]

There is a real dependence on 'twelve' dogma, no less than many Christian literalists, and the same rage when dogma is questioned.

drug rehab

I have a question," Do you acknowledge your need to attack folks who support AA's dogma, with the same rage you claim 12 step supporters have for your dogma???
I also have one request from you, please. Would you post a article from AA World Headquaters, GSO NYC, that argues, criticizes, condescends or otherwise debases another person, organization, or entity concerning the "Self-Help" industry.

Thanks...

Hey Danny, you tried to "expose" soberrecovery.com along with the Mulligan Group a few months ago by starting this thread, but then deleted all content from yer posts (roughly half the thread) and even shed that user name.

Did ya change your mind 'bout the 12-Step recovery industry? Back then, ya seemed to think they were a scam. But now... ?

[DannyB II]

There is a real dependence on 'twelve' dogma, no less than many Christian literalists, and the same rage when dogma is questioned.

drug rehab

I have a question," Do you acknowledge your need to attack folks who support AA's dogma, with the same rage you claim 12 step supporters have for your dogma???
I also have one request from you, please. Would you post a article from AA World Headquaters, GSO NYC, that argues, criticizes, condescends or otherwise debases another person, organization, or entity concerning the "Self-Help" industry.

Thanks...

Hey Danny, you tried to "expose" soberrecovery.com along with the Mulligan Group a few months ago by starting this thread, but then deleted all content from yer posts (roughly half the thread) and even shed that user name.

Did ya change your mind 'bout the 12-Step recovery industry? Back then, ya seemed to think they were a scam. But now... ?

Your mind is a funny thing, it works on bases of "selective memory". DJ and yourself love to augment and manipulate the actual posts and their intention. Which as a moderator is a shame but your admin buddies don't really give a shit because mod's around here are hard to replace.
Well let me help you once again, what is this the 100th time in the short time I've been here. I posted the Mulligan Group to ask if you folks had/have anything negative on them.
Dumbass, I am affiliated with them for your information. I wanted to know.
Lets get something straight Ursus so there is no more misunderstanding, I do not sit/stand on the same side of the field that you do. Actually I find your kind to be the problem with the TTI industry.
So please do not confuse my intentions or convictions anymore.
I am always looking for information and have no alliance with you.

[justonemore]

Trincypris12 did not write that about the rage when dogma is questioned. I did. If you are going to quote me, then quote me. Plagiarism is childish, and sleazy, and awful, and wakkie nu-nu. jeez grow up wiilya, doo-doo heads!
J.O.M.