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How European Tolerance Islamized Turkey...
Stonewall:
--- Quote from: "ajax13" ---Stony, you are one wacky ol' Hasbaranik. Pretending that the fact that Islamic law coming from Muhammed was mutually exclusive of the fact that it is a series of abstract ideas. That is some hilarious stuff. You must slay them in the Catskills!
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What is the basis of Islamic Law?
IslamIsViolent:
--- Quote from: "ajax13" ---Or is the pedophile, murderer, thief and liar more than one person?
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Pedophile: Muhammad married Aisha when she was 6 and had sex with her at 9. This is stated very clearly in the Hadiths and since Muhammad is the ideal muslim, his actions are what justifies child marriage in the middle east today.
Murderer: He personally beheaded between 600 and 900 jewish men in one sitting. He was a warlord.
Rapist: He took the women as slaves or "wives" and raped them. He permitted his followers to take captured women as "war booty" and to rape them.
Thief: He was a raider early in his career.
Liar: In addition to pulling an entire religion out of his ass he also permitted his followers to lie in order to deceive the enemy or assassinate those who insulted him.
ajax13:
Sockpuppet, I can't address the veracity of your claim about Mohammed's beheading of his enemies, but if true, then in addition to your descriptions of him as thief, pedophile etc., one must certainly add the title of athlete. Six to nine hundred beheadings in one go is a feat of physical prowess of some remark. As for the uncertainty in the number of 50%, it causes me some degree of dismay about the whole story. Nonetheless, whether the total is six hundred or six thousand, the slaying of one's enemies does not seem out of step with the zeitgeist of the sixth or seventh century. It brings to mind the behaviour of other folks in the realm of the long-dead and ultra-violent:
While the Israelites were camped at Acacia, some of the men defiled themselves by sleeping with the local Moabite women. These women invited them to attend sacrifices to their gods, and soon the Israelites were feasting with them and worshiping the gods of Moab. Before long Israel was joining in the worship of Baal of Peor, causing the LORD's anger to blaze against his people. The LORD issued the following command to Moses: "Seize all the ringleaders and execute them before the LORD in broad daylight, so his fierce anger will turn away from the people of Israel." So Moses ordered Israel's judges to execute everyone who had joined in worshiping Baal of Peor. Just then one of the Israelite men brought a Midianite woman into the camp, right before the eyes of Moses and all the people, as they were weeping at the entrance of the Tabernacle. When Phinehas son of Eleazar and grandson of Aaron the priest saw this, he jumped up and left the assembly. Then he took a spear and rushed after the man into his tent. Phinehas thrust the spear all the way through the man's body and into the woman's stomach. So the plague against the Israelites was stopped, but not before 24,000 people had died. (Numbers 25:1-9 NLT)"
Stonewall:
--- Quote from: "ajax13" ---Sockpuppet, I can't address the veracity of your claim about Mohammed's beheading of his enemies, but if true, then in addition to your descriptions of him as thief, pedophile etc., one must certainly add the title of athlete. Six to nine hundred beheadings in one go is a feat of physical prowess of some remark. As for the uncertainty in the number of 50%, it causes me some degree of dismay about the whole story. Nonetheless, whether the total is six hundred or six thousand, the slaying of one's enemies does not seem out of step with the zeitgeist of the sixth or seventh century. It brings to mind the behaviour of other folks in the realm of the long-dead and ultra-violent:
While the Israelites were camped at Acacia, some of the men defiled themselves by sleeping with the local Moabite women. These women invited them to attend sacrifices to their gods, and soon the Israelites were feasting with them and worshiping the gods of Moab. Before long Israel was joining in the worship of Baal of Peor, causing the LORD's anger to blaze against his people. The LORD issued the following command to Moses: "Seize all the ringleaders and execute them before the LORD in broad daylight, so his fierce anger will turn away from the people of Israel." So Moses ordered Israel's judges to execute everyone who had joined in worshiping Baal of Peor. Just then one of the Israelite men brought a Midianite woman into the camp, right before the eyes of Moses and all the people, as they were weeping at the entrance of the Tabernacle. When Phinehas son of Eleazar and grandson of Aaron the priest saw this, he jumped up and left the assembly. Then he took a spear and rushed after the man into his tent. Phinehas thrust the spear all the way through the man's body and into the woman's stomach. So the plague against the Israelites was stopped, but not before 24,000 people had died. (Numbers 25:1-9 NLT)"
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Actually it is quite easy to find Islamic sources for descriptions of Muhammad's beheadings.
Perhaps you are right that in the seventh century this was normal behavior. Unfortunately when it is commanded that Muslims view Muhammad's life as perfect and a life to be emulated, it should be no surprise that his followers bring the 7th Century into their daily lives.
ajax13:
You're swinging for the bleachers again Stony. Now with Mohammed having drawn his last breath a couple of hundred years before the Battle of Hastings, it is certainly requires a leap of faith, so to speak, to imagine that any of his followers are alive today.
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