Denmark - special need students back among their peers

[Oscar]

Remedial schools eat up third of education budget, The Copenhagen Post

Right now Denmark is rebuilding its education system. We have tried to adapt the US-model where unruly or special need students are removed from the general student population and place them in special classes. It turned out that it was not only expensive, it was also not the best choice for the rest of the student population. Denmark hit rock bottom in the PISA survey where students are measured worldwide on their knownledge.

So we took a look at Finland, which is second to none in all areas. What did they do in order to be up there?

The answer is that they kept all their students together regardless if they are good or bad. Instead they stopped being only one teacher in the classroom. Often they have up to three teachers in one class. The main teacher, an assistant and sometime a pensioner who functions as a personal coach for students with needs.

Removing the special classes for students with special need and behavioral problems will save a lot of money and benefit the entire education system. Finland has shown the way.

[Che Gookin]

Pretty smart way to handle it. I approve.

[Ursus]

The Copenhagan Post
Remedial schools eat up third of education budget
Wednesday, 02 June 2010 11:24 BJS News

Education minister will re-allocate funding after report reveals the high cost of remedial teaching.

With 84,000 primary school pupils currently receiving some form of remedial teaching, at a total annual cost of 12.8 billion kroner, Education Minister Tina Nedergaard has announced plans to change the way the education budget is allocated.

A report carried out for the government by Deloitte Business Consulting points out that many pupils with special needs receive little support in ordinary primary schools while special remedial schools receive nearly 30 percent of the school budget.

The report recommends that more pupils be returned to ordinary primary schools but with higher levels of remedial support.

Speaking to daily newspaper Berlingske Tidende, Nedergaard said far too many primary pupils were being sent to remedial schools compared with countries such as Finland and Sweden and called for measures to curb the trend.

She said that there was broad agreement in the cabinet and in local councils to tackle the problem.


Copyright © 2010

[Eliscu2]

Thank You Oscar.
I believe that "special education" CREATES DIVISION.
Just like here in America we stuff everyone in a box that does not "conform".
When school is over these kids go to an Institution.
We have many.
Our Government is asleep at the wheel...........driving in the dark with no headlights.
Finland has a lot of great ideas.

[DannyB II]

There doing it to save money.
 

The Copenhagan Post
Remedial schools eat up third of education budget

Education minister will re-allocate funding after report reveals the high cost of remedial teaching.

Removing the special classes for students with special need and behavioral problems will save a lot of money and benefit the entire education system. Finland has shown the way.

The answer is that they kept all their students together regardless if they are good or bad. Instead they stopped being only one teacher in the classroom. Often they have up to three teachers in one class. The main teacher, an assistant and sometime a pensioner who functions as a personal coach for students with needs.

Are the assistant and pensioner free.
 

danny

[Oscar]

There doing it to save money.

Are the assistant and pensioner free.
 
danny

No they are not, but at a residential program the student-staff ratio is way higher. Beside teachers you need ordinary staff to secure maintaince, security etc. You may argue that emontional problems and special need student need therapy and we may have to upgrade some of the precausions targeting fights and bullying. Here is what we have today:

Danish public schools have typical one low-level therapist like the one you see in programs with only 7 years of university training and the 7 grade students are trained in anti-conflict methods toward the younger students and they serves as backup for the teacher supervising the campus in the breaks. Each school have AKT (behavior, Contact, wellbeing) team which enter classes which have problems with bullying and fights. Beside this they traing the 6 grade students so they in anti-conflict methods so they are ready to help the teachers the next year.

The backup system which is almost nationwide as we speak is PPR (pedagogical psychological counseling). It is a team of highly trained therapist working for a number of school districts. The more special cases are served by them. We have SSP (School-social services-Police) where they exchange informations so the school can be warned about possible drug dealers in their school district and some students standing on the edge of risking a criminal charge can be pulled back by the school and social services.

Like in the real life we want the students to be happy when they enter the schools in the morning. In the real life we can handle people with behavioral problems. Sometime they can even benefit the firms. We need people who can supervise the outsourcing projects where the work is done far from Denmark and the human costs dont matter. In my mind people who leave Denmark to work abroad is not in their right mind, but some have to do it. Even special need adults are put in work in various firms - see Specialisterne. Here people with Internet Addiction Disorder and ASD diagnoses test programs 24/7. Many are so ill that they need 24/7 care outside their workplace and the good thing is that they earn their own money to provide for this care.

[Eliscu2]

There doing it to save money.
 

The Copenhagan Post
Remedial schools eat up third of education budget

Education minister will re-allocate funding after report reveals the high cost of remedial teaching.

Removing the special classes for students with special need and behavioral problems will save a lot of money and benefit the entire education system. Finland has shown the way.

The answer is that they kept all their students together regardless if they are good or bad. Instead they stopped being only one teacher in the classroom. Often they have up to three teachers in one class. The main teacher, an assistant and sometime a pensioner who functions as a personal coach for students with needs.

Are the assistant and pensioner free.
 

danny

http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30611&p=365349&hilit=Cartoon+Croch#p365333
Is Martydannobennikrugliclaire-bott credible?
I would like to remind this thread of the Moral Policing of a Avatars Cartoon Croch that happened.

 :on phone:  hold on I.R.A. is pissed.....shamrock removal not good enough............

[DannyB II]

There doing it to save money.

Are the assistant and pensioner free.
 
danny

No they are not, but at a residential program the student-staff ratio is way higher. Beside teachers you need ordinary staff to secure maintaince, security etc. You may argue that emontional problems and special need student need therapy and we may have to upgrade some of the precausions targeting fights and bullying. Here is what we have today:

Danish public schools have typical one low-level therapist like the one you see in programs with only 7 years of university training and the 7 grade students are trained in anti-conflict methods toward the younger students and they serves as backup for the teacher supervising the campus in the breaks. Each school have AKT (behavior, Contact, wellbeing) team which enter classes which have problems with bullying and fights. Beside this they traing the 6 grade students so they in anti-conflict methods so they are ready to help the teachers the next year.

The backup system which is almost nationwide as we speak is PPR (pedagogical psychological counseling). It is a team of highly trained therapist working for a number of school districts. The more special cases are served by them. We have SSP (School-social services-Police) where they exchange informations so the school can be warned about possible drug dealers in their school district and some students standing on the edge of risking a criminal charge can be pulled back by the school and social services.

Like in the real life we want the students to be happy when they enter the schools in the morning. In the real life we can handle people with behavioral problems. Sometime they can even benefit the firms. We need people who can supervise the outsourcing projects where the work is done far from Denmark and the human costs dont matter. In my mind people who leave Denmark to work abroad is not in their right mind, but some have to do it. Even special need adults are put in work in various firms - see Specialisterne. Here people with Internet Addiction Disorder and ASD diagnoses test programs 24/7. Many are so ill that they need 24/7 care outside their workplace and the good thing is that they earn their own money to provide for this care.

Oscar they said it. I'll state it again maybe we all missed it.

The Copenhagan Post
Remedial schools eat up third of education budget

Education minister will re-allocate funding after report reveals the high cost of remedial teaching.

Removing the special classes for students with special need and behavioral problems will save a lot of money and benefit the entire education system. Finland has shown the way.

The answer is that they kept all their students together regardless if they are good or bad. Instead they stopped being only one teacher in the classroom. Often they have up to three teachers in one class. The main teacher, an assistant and sometime a pensioner who functions as a personal coach for students with needs.

danny

[DannyB II]

There doing it to save money.
 

The Copenhagan Post
Remedial schools eat up third of education budget

Education minister will re-allocate funding after report reveals the high cost of remedial teaching.

Removing the special classes for students with special need and behavioral problems will save a lot of money and benefit the entire education system. Finland has shown the way.

The answer is that they kept all their students together regardless if they are good or bad. Instead they stopped being only one teacher in the classroom. Often they have up to three teachers in one class. The main teacher, an assistant and sometime a pensioner who functions as a personal coach for students with needs.

Are the assistant and pensioner free.
 

danny

http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=30611&p=365349&hilit=Cartoon+Croch#p365333
Is Martydannobennikrugliclaire-bott credible?
I would like to remind this thread of the Moral Policing of a Avatars Cartoon Croch that happened.

 :on phone:  hold on I.R.A. is pissed.....shamrock removal not good enough............

You really are not disrespecting me Felice but Oscar and any other originator of threads, when you act like a jerk. I am trying to have a debate with Oscar on the merits here, whether you want to accept that or not. Why don't you inject your opinion here on the subject. It doesn't matter how vile you want to be, just stay on topic.

danny

[Eliscu2]

:eek:

[maruska]

Remedial schools eat up third of education budget, The Copenhagen Post

Right now Denmark is rebuilding its education system. We have tried to adapt the US-model where unruly or special need students are removed from the general student population and place them in special classes. It turned out that it was not only expensive, it was also not the best choice for the rest of the student population. Denmark hit rock bottom in the PISA survey where students are measured worldwide on their knownledge.

So we took a look at Finland, which is second to none in all areas. What did they do in order to be up there?

The answer is that they kept all their students together regardless if they are good or bad. Instead they stopped being only one teacher in the classroom. Often they have up to three teachers in one class. The main teacher, an assistant and sometime a pensioner who functions as a personal coach for students with needs.

Removing the special classes for students with special need and behavioral problems will save a lot of money and benefit the entire education system. Finland has shown the way.

Interesting reading about the Finish miracle

http://www.greatschools.org/students/fi ... 3&page=all

[Che Gookin]

The Finnish example of making teaching a worthwhile and respected career really ought to be emulated in the States. Way back when I actually found myself a bit aghast that Elementary Ed majors had the highest GPAs on my university campus. Turns out they had some of the easiest classes as well. Part of the problem facing American teachers is the sure crapflood of policy and paperwork.

My Aunt, a colourful personality to put it lightly, is a teacher in a rural school district. She has related to me numerous examples of hours lost to filling out forms in triplicate all for the sake of satisfying a birdbrain bureaucracy. I work in ESL in Asia and even I'm noticing a trend to bog down the teachers who work for me in paperwork. I've vetoed several corporate suggestions that would have given the teachers, myself included, several new bits of paper to fill out. The hilarious part is the main office doesn't even want us to send them in, they go in the teacher's employment file and are thrown away when they leave the school.

Teachers once used to be respected, because they were something to be respected. It is a safe bet that a strong argument can be made that the mass production of teachers through various 3rd tier state level colleges has turned the education system into the equivalent of an Educational McDonalds. You can't mass produce a teacher. They have to have some sort of qualifications in their field for them to stand on their own merits in the classroom. Yet, you have elementary ed majors by the dozens graduating every single year with barely a clue about anything beyond making bulletin boards with pretty colors.

The Shrub's mechanics of the No Child Left Behind act is a poorly implemented attempt and injecting some integrity into the field of education. I'd suggest that rather trying to bribe or intimidate teachers they attempt to inject some respect into the profession in order for these people to take themselves seriously so that they might take some ownership over their classrooms. Ownership of the classroom tends to learn to more successful students in a student-centered environment where they are given the power to make choices over what they desire to learn.

As for the Special Needs students.. I think the Danish method would be a difficult one to implement in the US. The teacher's unions would go hysterical at the idea of the special ed teachers are being returned to real classrooms rather than their own special ed centers where they control funding like their own personal fiefdoms. It's all about the money these days, unfortunately.