Tell us about the Third Nail

[Inculcated]

Kimmy go bother someone else, OK.
Were done!!
danny

Okay, but quit your lying... remember honesty was one of the philosophies. :seg2:

[Ursus]

Getting back to the subject of the drug rehab TC, The Third Nail...


The following conversation hopped, skipped and jumped its way through the thread 'Are there good ones?' I've taken the liberty of posting it as one large quote-reply, even though the original entries were not quite so inclusive. There were also a few additional incidental comments that I left out. See links to revisit original entries.

If I'm not mistaken, the inspiration for this here current thread title, 'Tell us about the Third Nail,' came from here:

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Originally posted on 03 Jun 2010 14:34, on 03 Jun 2010 16:04, on 03 Jun 2010 18:24, and on 03 Jun 2010 19:59:

W: First you say most people here get their info from a single source - Fornits, and now you say "most people get their information from multiple sources."  No shit, say it the first time. Don't repeat what I already said, which was to disagree with your initial statement.

Second, I do not think people here are losers and I know you are smart enough to INFER that your superior condescending attitude is the perspective I am addressing. ("Fornits for losers" being your real perspective rather than then the false "I examine all sides" persona.) But you are on Fornits.  And the programs you are affiliated with are on this board.  

Third, my experiences at CEDU were duplicated in CEDU Spin-offs run by the same staff. I also know people who have gone into various other programs (not just on this board)  - the methodology was the same. By nature, I seek fair and balanced and alwasy give benefit of doubt. But, so far, I have not seen evidence to dispute that TBSs are systmeically flawed on a macro level.

I hope I can exercise the discipline to disengage from conversing with you.  Your rep precedes you for your pro program under pretenses of fair and balanced BS spin job. I totally get why people would love to kick your ass with your "white-house-is-black-and-a smile" persona.

Samara STFU.....period. You don't know what you want to say. You have no idea if those spin-offs duplicated methodology or not. I know some staff that left Elan and went to other TC's and continued there success in helping people. I personally know at 4 employees of Daytop who went to Marathon and then went to Third Nail and Phoenix house, there doing great with great programs. You folks are so freaking jaded it is not funny.
My problem here is because you had a bad experience with a TC that means all TC's are run the same way.
Here is a analogy:  My great great grandfather was a goat fucker, my great grandfather was a goat fucker, my grand father was a goat fucker, my father decided to fuck sheep and I was indoctrinated to the rare nubile of Farmington Ct.
Samara you have been scrubbed, wash and waxed. That brained is squeaky......don't be so quick to classify whooter is a quack. You might be surprised.
 
Oh Ursus is this a veil threat against Whooter.  "I totally get why people would love to kick your ass with your "white-house-is-black-and-a smile" persona."

Samara I would not hand out wolf tickets you can not deliver.

I'm not overly familiar with the Third Nail; if you're referring to the drug rehab that used to be located in Roxbury or Jamaica Plain, Massachusetts, I'm not sure that it even exists anymore.

Daytop, Marathon House, and Phoenix House are, however, all based on the same methods and principles that evolved out of TC methodologies originally used in military prisons, and later adapted for addiction rehab as well as other behavior modification usages (e.g., reform institutions and RTCs for adolescents). Of the addiction rehabs, Synanon was an early and much emulated model.

Some of the very same personnel were, in fact, involved in several of these programs. They would go from one program to another, spreading the good word and teaching the trade secrets. David Deitch, originally at Narco Farm (if I recall correctly) and later with Synanon, was integrally involved in the start up of Daytop, Phoenix House, and Gateway, and quite probably others. Marathon House, incidentally, as I posted in discussion with you last December, Danny, has long since been absorbed by Phoenix House.

So... to sum up, yes, they are all goats. Some are bigger, some are smaller, some bleat high, some bleat low, some have perky ears, some have floppy ears, but they are... all... goats. Now what were you sayin' about your ancestors, Danny?

Third Nail  spun off from Marathon House and was in Brighton Mass. I was there in late 82 early 83 heroin addiction.

Marathon House was not anything like Daytop or Phoenix House I was there for 9 months in 1974. It was Joe Geronimos little baby and he was very easy going. He owned it and had maybe 4 staff and his wife was the program coordinator. He based his program upon a system of rewards as you moved the program. There was no signs, shaving heads, screaming at each other. There were groups and punishment came in the form of no off time, no movies, working in the yard all day or ya I remember sitting in a cubby hole by the front door. Sitting in that chair constituted a serious offense because the next step/move was out the door. Now since all of us were sent by the State for crimes committed out the door meant back to juvie (lock up). Nobody wanted that, we were in Newport R.I. beautiful island, I mean beautiful it was co-ed and Joe G. was cool.

I already knew Phoenix House was absorbed because a gentlemen by the name of Joe Cataldo wanted to by it first. Joe C. was with Resurrection House in New Britain Ct now called Freedom House in New Britain. A shelter homeless drug addict facility. Non profit. I sat on the Board for 2 years back in the early nineties. The Third  Nail is gone due to a murder in the house back in the 80's staff was somehow involved and tried to cover it up. Now Daytop is still relishing in its status with Ct. Gateway no nothing of somehow never heard of that TC.

[Inculcated]

Half heartedly responding to viewtopic.php?f=43&t=24677&p=368015#p368015

Bennison, your compulsion to engage people in a belligerent manner guarantees you’ll comment whether there is something worth reading or not and whether you have any business commenting or not and all too often when you don't. I cite your recent comments to Mr. Scrivener (who’s posted to the effect that his belittling refutations are somehow god’s work?) on the Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls thread. Yes, you’ve entrenched yourself in the role of being the feigned authority on just about every topic upon which you tresspass, but GTFO the girls school thread!

And, yeah, I caught the part on that same thread where you revised history in an effort to appear maligned and alluded to my login name. Poor misunderstood Bennison who made a routine of starting various threads with people’s name in the title just to drag them in.That includes the more than a couple you erroneously dedicated w/ my name included. So even though you said you were done, you’re aching a bit from having gotten your ass handed to you by PSJ and others over the past couple of days and you’re now inviting me into the fray?

 :bs: Not until you’ve answered the question that you yourself invoked about why your implausible {read: totally confabulated } Daytop story would make sense if only we were to ask you why you were there, because it was as you stated not for treatment.
 :bs: While you’re at it you could also explain your contradictory accounts about Marathon. At one point you stated that one of the Joes got called to the carpet by the other Joe over an intent to issue a literal haircut to a woman, but in another post you extolled how the facility was ruled by “ a system of rewards” and “was not anything like Daytop or Phoenix House”.
 :bs: And then when you’re done with that you can explain how the guy who announced on a thread regarding a boy being sexually assaulted at Westcare that:

Ursus you know what the nice part about my rebuttal is I am going to speak from first hand experience whereas you will speak from reading some web site. There is very little that goes on in Georgia that I don't know about in regards to treatment centers...

Would open this thread requesting info. about Hillside of Atlanta,GA.

And when you’re done with that, then please do go on tell us all about The Third Nail.

[DannyB II]

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[Paul St. John]

Inculcated when you learn to show respect for your elders, then I will respond.

What about respect, in general, Danny?

Your age does not qualify you for any sort of special treatment.



 My name is Danny, not to hard to write.

"Paul" is easier to write then "lill Johny" last I checked..
.. but you re an asshole, so I guess, it is worth the extra effort to you.

My trespass on Roloffs got a " thank you " from Tim, so I guess not much of a trespass.

I somehow, doubt, that Tim is the voice of the majority, over there.

Are you having private time with lill johnny too, as Ursus was having,

Hey danny, I'm not the one whose gotta strip down to hang with my friends..

Ursus, and Inculcate are alright by me.  I think they are both cool people.  Is that a weakness, Danny?



 because you forget to mention your boyfriend trespassing on Roloffs thread.

I kinda view Tim as a trespasser, myself, but I would have no problem, leaving that thread alone, if I got the least bit of an impression, that anyone except Tim did not want me there.  It is better if people can handle their own shit.  I just get very bothered sometimes, by people like him, and it is hard not to knock him in his place.



As a matter of fact you love to stick up for him, jeesh that is so special.

Jealousy suits you Danny.

Wouldn t it be nice if people agreed with you on occasion?  Had your back a bit?  Wouldn t it be nice to know that you earned that?

Nah.. Fuck that shit!  You're a warrior!!!

You said, "I am getting my ass handed to me", is that what you call it in your group of buddies.


Well I don't feel like it

That's because you are not aligned with reality, Danny.  You have staying power.. I ll give ya that.. But not much else.


but hey, if you get all wet over lill johnny doing it, great.

That is disrespect.  You're a fucking loser.

Other then what I've said so far Inculcate, you'll have to practice restraint, maybe then I will answer questions.

Everything is on your bullshit terms.  You are false as they come, you manipulative prick!


That will happen in my time not yours, until then Ciao!!!!!!

You're the boss, Danny.. You tell her!

[DannyB II]

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[Inculcated]

It’s impossible for you to prove for simply one reason and one reason only…the residential facility you claim to have been in didn’t exist— ergo it didn’t happen.

[Che Gookin]

So he really invented an entirely fictitious program?

[Inculcated]

No. The third Nail exists. That part may or may not be true. IDK any info re: The Third Nail

[DannyB II]

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[Inculcated]

The residential Daytop facility he claims to have been in did not exist. I’ve never commented as to the veracity of his other program attendance claims, though some of his assertions about the atmosphere of various programs are self-contradictory

[DannyB II]

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[Inculcated]

...Uh, hunh sure.  BTW, the full list of Daytop RTCs for that time span has long since been in multiple publications from various sources and even in one instance accounted for in writ—submitted to Congress.

Thx for posting info re: The third Nail. Feel free to tell go on tell us all about it (or not) at your leisure.

[DannyB II]

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[Che Gookin]

The residential Daytop facility he claims to have been in did not exist. I’ve never commented as to the veracity of his other program attendance claims, though some of his assertions about the atmosphere of various programs are self-contradictory

Umm, that's a new one even for fornits. It was 30 years ago and he's a bit of a drunk, could he just be confused?