Are there good ones?

[Paul St. John]

your opinions on TC's are ignorant to say the least and opinions of Whooter are like ass.....which one are you, you can be both.

That is a very good point, Danny!

[Che Gookin]

OK, look.. we have enough threads filled with Danny Spam. Can we agree to ignore him on this one? Someone is considering sending their child to a fucking program. Put your boot up Danny's ass elsewhere, and let's use this thread to educate the woman.

[Paul St. John]

I'm not so sure about this lady.  She went from her whole world revolving around her daughter, to wanting to go on undercover mission to expose abuse in a psych facility, based on the claims of a single psych patient.

Paul

[Che Gookin]

I know, believe me.. I wonder as well.. but.. ask yourself.. What if there really is a daughter involved here? Now these seem like long odds, but damn.. if there really is a daughter involved...

[Samara]

You know, DB, you talk about jaded and yet that is the attitude you greet me with. JOM did not "school" me; if you read the whole thread, you'd see that.  I sincerely vented, I don't know why he felt the need to challenge nothing, but we did come to a resolution.

My coyness is not an act, it's a facet of my personality, and maybe even an annoying one. There still exists a Pollyanna part that just wants every one to drink milk, eat cookies, sing Do-Re-Mi and all agree that programs shouldn't hurt kids. The truth is when things get raw around here, it is still shocking to me what people will say. I know it shouldn't be, but it is. I really don't understand the meanness people will sink to even if we are all strangers. But I can guarantee you if you met me, you would immediately understand your misconception. You would never talk to me the way you do here, and I doubt you would ever feel proud to in front of your family.

Go ahead and get the last word in.

I will know that your words bear no semblance to reality. And you will still hate yourself.

[DannyB II]

CEDU and Elan are connected too, right?  I keep saying it, but the more I read about Elan (knew it about CEDU for a long time), the more it smacks of what I (we) went thru in Straight.  Any number of us (Straight peeps) could've written that.  Our GMs were called Open Meeting Reviews.  We didn't have a "ring", but we did have intake rooms where "misbehavors" were taken into and beaten bloody.  

And they wonder why we're skeptical.  They wonder why we refer to it as

"systemic"

Jesus fucking christ!!!!

Anne your analogy is not systemic. Elan is the vein. If it is systemic what system are you relating to. I'm sorry please continue your argument or assumption, I'm supposed to be stupid.

[Paul St. John]

Well Che, when you re right, you re right... best of luck .. That's it for me...

After a long evening of refreshing the fornits page and laughing my ass of.. I think it's time to crash..

Peace

[Samara]

Che -  agreed.

[Anne Bonney]

Yar, that Betty Sembler woman be poison. The very heart of the beast here is most people have the capacity to abuse the power they are given. As most of us aren't given that sort of power we never really get a chance to decide for ourselves if we are going to remain true to our values or be corrupted. This alone is why I'm skeptical of every single program, placement, TC, DC, PC, and FWPOSP out there.

Yup

hahaha.. There was an a state hotline on the wall in Straight Inc down in Florida. Kids were gang restrained for even getting out of their chairs.

True.  Actually, we were gang restrained (sometimes to the point of cessation of breathing) for not having our feet flat on the floor while sitting in those goddamned blue chairs that were connected to each other.  Or not looking at the person speaking.  Or wearing the wrong barrette (in Straight if we looked too nice it was called being "gamey").  Or refusing to speak or write an MI (moral inventory).  Or asking to call our parents.  Or asking to report the gang restraint.

[DannyB II]

OK, look.. we have enough threads filled with Danny Spam. Can we agree to ignore him on this one? Someone is considering sending their child to a fucking program. Put your boot up Danny's ass elsewhere, and let's use this thread to educate the woman.

Che shut up since when do you care you are one of the biggest spammers. (just had to say this, that will be all out of me).
Danny

[Eliscu2]

(just had to say this, that will be all out of me). Danny

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 :on phone:
 :deal:

What are the odds?
Cash only bets on how long spammy keeps his mouth shut.

[Eliscu2]

Whatever, the fact is you remain on this site. It is odd... you spend A LOT of time here. If you are a paid pro program tool, and really believe this site is for losers, why visit it? Obviously, if Fornits is for losers, it is not a threat to your beloved programs, so why not spend your time amongst your people, Cultists, KoolAid Drinkers, and Profiteers?

'Cuz... he's... got... stocks.

BINGO!

[Che Gookin]

At Three Springs I remember a kid getting gang tackled for trying to go to the bathroom.

and Felice.. please.. there are other threads to publicly flay Spammy alive. If we can reach out to someone here we should do our best to do that. Why don't you tell us about your time in the Chair?


And please.. don't let Spammy derail you on this thread.

[DannyB II]

Samara STFU.....period. You don't know what you want to say. You have no idea if those spin-offs duplicated methodology or not. I know some staff that left Elan and went to other TC's and continued there success in helping people. I personally know at 4 employees of Daytop who went to Marathon and then went to Third Nail and Phoenix house, there doing great with great programs. You folks are so freaking jaded it is not funny.
My problem here is because you had a bad experience with a TC that means all TC's are run the same way.

I'm not overly familiar with the Third Nail; if you're referring to the drug rehab that used to be located in Roxbury or Jamaica Plain, Massachusetts, I'm not sure that it even exists anymore.

Third Nail spun off from Marathon House and was in Brighton Mass. I was there in late 82 early 83 heroin addiction.
 

Daytop, Marathon House, and Phoenix House are, however, all based on the same methods and principles that evolved out of TC methodologies originally used in military prisons, and later adapted for addiction rehab as well as other behavior modification usages (e.g., reform institutions and RTCs for adolescents). Of the addiction rehabs, Synanon was an early and much emulated model.

Marathon House was not anything like Daytop or Phoenix House I was there for 9 months in 1974. It was Joe Geronimos little baby and he was very easy going. He owned it and had maybe 4 staff and his wife was the program coordinator. He based his program upon a system of rewards as you moved the program. There was no signs, shaving heads, screaming at each other. There were groups and punishment came in the form of no off time, no movies, working in the yard all day or ya I remember sitting in a cubby hole by the front door. Sitting in that chair constituted a serious offense because the next step/move was out the door. Now since all of us were sent by the State for crimes committed out the door meant back to juvie (lock up). Nobody wanted that, we were in Newport R.I. beautiful island, I mean beautiful it was co-ed and Joe G. was cool.

Some of the very same personnel were, in fact, involved in several of these programs. They would go from one program to another, spreading the good word and teaching the trade secrets. David Deitch, originally at Narco Farm (if I recall correctly) and later with Synanon, was integrally involved in the start up of Daytop, Phoenix House, and Gateway, and quite probably others. Marathon house was long since absorbed by the Phoenix House.

I already knew Phoenix House was absorbed because a gentlemen by the name of Joe Cataldo wanted to by it first. Joe C. was with Resurrection House in New Britain Ct now called Freedom House in New Britain. A shelter homeless drug addict facility. Non profit. I sat on the Board for 2 years back in the early nineties. The Third Nail is gone due to a murder in the house back in the 80's staff was somehow involved and tried to cover it up. Now Daytop is still relishing in its status with Ct. Gateway no nothing of somehow never heard of that TC.

So... to sum up, yes, they are all goats. Some are bigger, some are smaller, some bleat high, some bleat low, some have perky ears, some have floppy ears, but they are... all... goats. Now what were you sayin' about your ancestors, Danny?

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Anne no your point is filled with holes and I just proved it. Why is it so necessary for you to have this nice little package all wrapped up. You can't have any loose ends can you. Nice try girl but it just isn't that way and it is OK.
You still have enough programs out there that are giving kids problems whether they are connected or not.

Danny

[SharonMcCarthy]

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Oh common guys..poor ole Danny is here to save the little children...lmao please Daniel your so out of your league here so why not go away.