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« Reply #120 on: May 16, 2010, 02:14:30 AM »
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If you throw a rock at a dog the dog will attack the rock (every time). You can do this all day long and the dog will not bite you because he sees the rock as the root cause of his pain
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Every so often, Whooter gives himself away with posts that prove he really has no idea what the fuck he's talking about, ever.

No no no, Whooter, don't feed us your usual bullshit. Just prove it. Please. With a rottweiler, and have a third party record it. I'll put it on Youtube.
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... i just don't agree with you about the dog.... every dog i've known is smart enough to know i threw the ball, they know fetch is a playful interractive context, and they know that rocks themselves are not sentient beings that can up and hurt them.
Do you routinely throw rocks at dogs, Whooter? I'm guessing not, as that is a bit cruel, even for you.

I've also never seen a dog attack a rock that is thrown at it, lol. Thankfully, I've witnessed such incidents only a couple of times in my life.

I've seen a dog "attack" a stick, yes, but this ... in the context of a game of fetch as Awake describes. A thrown stick also does not inflict intentioned pain. Perhaps accidental pain.

Were you to intentionally inflict pain on a dog by throwing something at him over and over again, my guess is that eventually he might well attack you ... if he is preventing from escaping the onslaught. And well he should.
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« Reply #121 on: May 16, 2010, 10:22:38 AM »
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Do you routinely throw rocks at dogs, Whooter? I'm guessing not, as that is a bit cruel, even for you.

No, I don’t throw rocks at dogs and I don’t think awake goes around kicking kids either.  You have a strange way of connecting the dots to justify your feelings about certain things.  You couldn’t express why you disliked the "prediction software" that was being introduced in Florida so you searched way back to 1937 and found a photo of IBM sitting at a table with Germans.  This somehow helped you feel justified in rejecting IBM as a software supplier and subsequently the software itself.  You do the same thing with programs, if a new program is discussed you don’t bother to understand the program but rather you search for some small item that may dirty it up in your mind and give reason to discard it as effective.. maybe an employee who worked at another program or a degree that was earned on-line.
Now you are doing the same thing with JRC. You find a sole article which talks about staff members holding a child at knifepoint to administer shock therapy and then you stop learning and you are willing to discard the entire therapeutic process because of it.  In my opinion in order to make take an educated point of view you need to consider all the facets of JRC… the good reports as well as the bad and then weigh the risks with possible outcomes.  That is what I am trying to do.  I am not defending the therapy or JRC, I am just discussing it openly here on the forum.  I think open discussion can be enlightening.  Why undermine the conversation?  

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I regard Whooter's having made reference to his baseless chemotherapy analogy at least 14-15 times ... in this thread alone ... as hardly an insignificant obfuscation, if you ask me.
Why do you feel it is baseless?  I was trying to point out that we should not discard shock therapy based on its negative effects alone.  There are other therapies (like Chemo) which are risky and have a huge downside.  Shock therapy may or may not be inhumane but pain isn’t a factor which separates it from others.



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Re: new JRC Article
« Reply #122 on: May 16, 2010, 02:22:18 PM »
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Good on you for showing my fault in not considering how use of metaphor easily results in loss of context. My metaphor with the kicking is meant to show the difference in cause effect relationship when we are dealing with cybernetic relationships, like people, versus things. The cause and effect relationship when you kick a rock is a result of transfer of energy, but between people, or any open system, is the result of a transfer of information, energy is only a consideration as a form of message transfer. If we want to really understand cause and effect as it concerns the term symptom, this is an important basic concept.

Just like you can’t spontaneously avoid understanding the words you are reading now, we as people can’t avoid how we are programmed to interpret stimulus.
At the risk of misinterpretation of context, I will offer this analogy: If there are two AC/heating units in the same room (call them 1 and 2), and 1 is set to start cooling at 80 degrees and the other is set to warm at 80 degrees then the behaviours (or symptoms) are not isolated to either one, but what results is a stable pattern of interaction that is a system itself to be analyzed as an indivisible whole. Symptom, or behaviour, can’t be analyzed successfully by breaking the system into parts, otherwise it destroys the object of observation..

Also, the idea of root cause is a particularly interesting subject that is very interconnected with this, i’ll get to that too. But for now as a thought, what if you could not identify root cause? What if all you can determine is that each person is kicking the other because the other kicked them and the interaction is hopelessly subject to a re- punctuation of ‘root cause’?

The result of this misinterpretation as it applies to therapy is nightmarish, and not just under this therapeutic context.



If each person is kicking the other with no apparent cause forcing them into a vicious cycle of kicking each other I would remove the child from that environment to break the cycle initially and then try to determine root cause via observation and interview with the child and others.

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... and i just don't agree with you about the dog.... every dog i've known is smart enough to know i threw the ball, they know fetch is a playful interractive context, and they know that rocks themselves are not sentient beings that can up and hurt them.
If you engage the dog first then the dog will catch on and eventually make the connection that you are the cause of his pain, not the rock.



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Re: new JRC Article
« Reply #123 on: May 16, 2010, 02:27:37 PM »
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All too often I feel a conversation gets undermined by making comparisons or analogies that take the therapeutic terminology into an area that doesn’t make sense as it relates to programs.
Such as ... chemotherapy ... for example?  ::evil::
No... Ursus you trying to be in this conversation with your constant insignificant comments.
Why don't you just sit out this one, the popcorn gallery is full.
Jeeeez... Do you own this thread, Danny? Seems to me this is an open discussion, no?

I regard Whooter's having made reference to his baseless chemotherapy analogy at least 14-15 times ... in this thread alone ... as hardly an insignificant obfuscation, if you ask me.


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No Ursus I don't own this thread, sorry got a little excited.
Just trying to take this seriously, kind of have a personal stake in this.

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« Reply #124 on: May 16, 2010, 06:54:42 PM »
This is a letter from Brian Avery, a former student at JRC who had the GED as part of his program while he was a student at JRC, 1998-2004. Brian posted this letter on the Boston Globe website as one of the comments on the March 9, 2010 OpEd article by Larry Harmon. Brian's letter is perhaps the most important of all the comments that appeared on the Globe website.

My name is Brian Avery and I was a student at JRC from September 1998 to January 2004. Prior to me entering JRC at age 12, I was in and out of several psychiatric hospitals and failed in two alternative educational settings.

My behavioral problems really began to escalate when I was 8 or 9 years old. I was on several medications including Tegretol, Haldol, Ritalin, Risperdal, Depekote, Prozac and Paxil. At age 10, my behavior become dangerously out of control. While in school, I would climb on furniture, climb under furniture, mouth off at the teacher, run out of the classroom and would have to be chased down by school staff. I would disrespect authority figures, yell, swear, exhibit inappropriate sexual behaviors in school. I would even try to stab myself with a pencil. I would become physically aggressive with my teachers and would have to be confined in a small padded room. In December of 1996 I was moved from a co-ed class with a 10:2 student/teacher ratio to another elementary school a few towns over and placed in a all male class with a 6:2 student/teacher ratio. That changed delivered little improvement in my behavior and academic progress. At home, I spent most of my time sleeping or being a couch potato, a debilitating side effect of all the medication I was taking. During the time that I was awake, I would disrespect my parents, be aggressive towards my parents and siblings, throw tantrums, destroy property, and would spend hours on end crying. In November of 1996, I spend three weeks in a psychiatric hospital. In February of 1998, and also in May of that year, I spent another three weeks in a psychiatric hospital. After my third hospitalization, my parents and school district finally came to the conclusion that I needed to be placed in a residential school. After visiting numerous schools in New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Massachusetts, my parents chose JRC.

In September of 1998, I was placed at JRC. Within three months of being at JRC, I was taken off all of my medication. My first few months at JRC were very depressing. For the first month or so of being at JRC, my behavior was much more under control that it had been for a very long time. However, once I became acclimated to the program, my behavior began to deteriorate. I would once again display the same inappropriate behaviors that I did in public school. I would be frequently restrained and placed in a small room. JRC would employ an elaborate scheme of behavior contracts and punishments (not the temporary skin shock). Such contracts included earning a small snack and 10 minutes of free time for going an hour without exhibiting inappropriate behaviors, earning a preferred breakfast for completing my morning routine without incident, being able to order take out for going a full day without displaying inappropriate behavior, being able to attend the weekly BBQ and go on field trips for going a week without displaying inappropriate behavior, and so on. Punishments that JRC would employ involve me spending the day in a small room with a staff person whom I was forbidden from socializing with, going to bed at 7pm, having to do schoolwork or chores on the weekend without being able to socialize with my housemates. Other punishments included being deprived of foods that were rewards. For example, if everyone else were having pizza, I would be served peanut butter and jelly. I would also be put through a ball task, which involved me needing to place 250 foam balls, one at a time, into a trash can while wearing mitts, a task that is very unpleasant.  Although I would have occasional bouts of progress (staying on contract for two months at one point), I made no sustainable progress in 1998 through most of 1999. In the fall of 1999, JRC and my parents had decided that it was time to give the GED a try. I reluctantly agreed to the GED and decided not to fight JRC’s attempt to place me on the device. I figured that although unpleasant, the GED would deter me from displaying behaviors that would result in me being restrained and losing out on the rewards that came with the program.


In December of 1999, I was placed on the GED. For the first month or so that I was on the GED, I displayed few inappropriate behaviors, however, once I became acclimated to the fact that I was on the device and was aware of what the GED felt like, I would start displaying lots of more minor behaviors that were not treated with the GED. Once on the GED, instances of me acting out became fewer and more far in between. Although when my contract was broken, I would display lots of inappropriate behaviors, but I would be selective as to not exhibit GED behaviors, although I would occasionally slip up and receive a GED application. By the spring of 2001, it had been several months since my previous major behavioral incident. JRC then began to rapidly fade me off the GED (although the fading process started nearly a year prior, bouts of behavioral episodes impeded the fading process). In July of 2001, I was completely faded from the GED and was moved into a less restrictive residence (apartment), with a student/staff ratio of 4:1. In the apartment, I enjoyed many privileges, such as grocery shopping, going on weekly field trips to the movies, to the arcade, YMCA, local parks etc. I even attended a few sporting events, including the Providence Bruins, Harlem Globetrotters, and even a Red Sox-Yankees game at Fenway Park. I was also given independence to move about the residence and school unsupervised. All of these were privileges I could not even dream of prior to being placed on the GED. From September 2001-September 2002, I would have a few bouts of behavioral incidents and was placed on and off the GED. However, in October of 2002, I was faded from the GED for good. In the fall of 2002, I attended a culinary class at Blue Hills Technical school, and in November I worked in the computer department as an in school job. Also, I began preparing for the New York Regents exams, and in 2003 I began taking the Regents exams. In the fall of 2003, it became clear to JRC, my parents, and school district that I had accomplished all I could while at JRC and in January 2004 I was transitioned back to public school in New York and mainstreamed. I moved to Florida in August of 2004 and graduated from high school with honors in May 2005. Since then, I took and passed a couple of college courses and had a few jobs, including a seasonal position working for a bank as a data capture specialist, a job that I obtained because of my quick typing skills that I acquired while at JRC. Currently (as of March 2010) I am employed at a call center working as an IT assistant and data entry clerk. I’m very active with my church and currently head up some of the functions within the church. Although I have lived independently since leaving JRC, I currently live with my parents, which I don’t mind all that much because that makes it much easier financially on both them and I.  

About the GED, it saved my life. There are lots of opponents to this controversial, yet potentially life-saving treatment, and understandably so. For someone who has never had the kind of problems I had nor has dealt with anyone who has my kind of problems, when hearing about the GED for the first time, it is only natural to cry torture. However, in reality, being on the GED is a much nicer alternative than being warehoused in a hospital, incarcerated, or being doped up on psychotropic drugs to the point of oblivion. A brief 2-second shock to the surface of the skin sure beats out spending my days restrained and drugged up on drugs and not making any academic progress. I did not like being on the GED when I felt like acting up because it prevented me from being able to do so. But in the end, I’m thankful for the GED because of the enormous progress I made with it and have continued to make once I no longer needed it.

Some people may wind up spending the majority of their life at JRC while being able to enjoy the benefits and privileges the program has while others, like myself, are able to go on to live an independent life. The bottom line is, if those who opposed the GED had their way, I would currently be locked up and heavily medicate at a hospital or in jail or possibly even dead. So for those who have set out to ban the GED please don’t.

Thank you very much.

Sincerely,
Brian Avery
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Re: new JRC Article
« Reply #125 on: May 16, 2010, 07:15:40 PM »
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This is a letter from Brian Avery, a former student at JRC who had the GED as part of his program while he was a student at JRC, 1998-2004. Brian posted this letter on the Boston Globe website as one of the comments on the March 9, 2010 OpEd article by Larry Harmon. Brian's letter is perhaps the most important of all the comments that appeared on the Globe website.

My name is Brian Avery and I was a student at JRC from September 1998 to January 2004. Prior to me entering JRC at age 12, I was in and out of several psychiatric hospitals and failed in two alternative educational settings.

My behavioral problems really began to escalate when I was 8 or 9 years old. I was on several medications including Tegretol, Haldol, Ritalin, Risperdal, Depekote, Prozac and Paxil. At age 10, my behavior become dangerously out of control. While in school, I would climb on furniture, climb under furniture, mouth off at the teacher, run out of the classroom and would have to be chased down by school staff. I would disrespect authority figures, yell, swear, exhibit inappropriate sexual behaviors in school. I would even try to stab myself with a pencil. I would become physically aggressive with my teachers and would have to be confined in a small padded room. In December of 1996 I was moved from a co-ed class with a 10:2 student/teacher ratio to another elementary school a few towns over and placed in a all male class with a 6:2 student/teacher ratio. That changed delivered little improvement in my behavior and academic progress. At home, I spent most of my time sleeping or being a couch potato, a debilitating side effect of all the medication I was taking. During the time that I was awake, I would disrespect my parents, be aggressive towards my parents and siblings, throw tantrums, destroy property, and would spend hours on end crying. In November of 1996, I spend three weeks in a psychiatric hospital. In February of 1998, and also in May of that year, I spent another three weeks in a psychiatric hospital. After my third hospitalization, my parents and school district finally came to the conclusion that I needed to be placed in a residential school. After visiting numerous schools in New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and Massachusetts, my parents chose JRC.

In September of 1998, I was placed at JRC. Within three months of being at JRC, I was taken off all of my medication. My first few months at JRC were very depressing. For the first month or so of being at JRC, my behavior was much more under control that it had been for a very long time. However, once I became acclimated to the program, my behavior began to deteriorate. I would once again display the same inappropriate behaviors that I did in public school. I would be frequently restrained and placed in a small room. JRC would employ an elaborate scheme of behavior contracts and punishments (not the temporary skin shock). Such contracts included earning a small snack and 10 minutes of free time for going an hour without exhibiting inappropriate behaviors, earning a preferred breakfast for completing my morning routine without incident, being able to order take out for going a full day without displaying inappropriate behavior, being able to attend the weekly BBQ and go on field trips for going a week without displaying inappropriate behavior, and so on. Punishments that JRC would employ involve me spending the day in a small room with a staff person whom I was forbidden from socializing with, going to bed at 7pm, having to do schoolwork or chores on the weekend without being able to socialize with my housemates. Other punishments included being deprived of foods that were rewards. For example, if everyone else were having pizza, I would be served peanut butter and jelly. I would also be put through a ball task, which involved me needing to place 250 foam balls, one at a time, into a trash can while wearing mitts, a task that is very unpleasant.  Although I would have occasional bouts of progress (staying on contract for two months at one point), I made no sustainable progress in 1998 through most of 1999. In the fall of 1999, JRC and my parents had decided that it was time to give the GED a try. I reluctantly agreed to the GED and decided not to fight JRC’s attempt to place me on the device. I figured that although unpleasant, the GED would deter me from displaying behaviors that would result in me being restrained and losing out on the rewards that came with the program.


In December of 1999, I was placed on the GED. For the first month or so that I was on the GED, I displayed few inappropriate behaviors, however, once I became acclimated to the fact that I was on the device and was aware of what the GED felt like, I would start displaying lots of more minor behaviors that were not treated with the GED. Once on the GED, instances of me acting out became fewer and more far in between. Although when my contract was broken, I would display lots of inappropriate behaviors, but I would be selective as to not exhibit GED behaviors, although I would occasionally slip up and receive a GED application. By the spring of 2001, it had been several months since my previous major behavioral incident. JRC then began to rapidly fade me off the GED (although the fading process started nearly a year prior, bouts of behavioral episodes impeded the fading process). In July of 2001, I was completely faded from the GED and was moved into a less restrictive residence (apartment), with a student/staff ratio of 4:1. In the apartment, I enjoyed many privileges, such as grocery shopping, going on weekly field trips to the movies, to the arcade, YMCA, local parks etc. I even attended a few sporting events, including the Providence Bruins, Harlem Globetrotters, and even a Red Sox-Yankees game at Fenway Park. I was also given independence to move about the residence and school unsupervised. All of these were privileges I could not even dream of prior to being placed on the GED. From September 2001-September 2002, I would have a few bouts of behavioral incidents and was placed on and off the GED. However, in October of 2002, I was faded from the GED for good. In the fall of 2002, I attended a culinary class at Blue Hills Technical school, and in November I worked in the computer department as an in school job. Also, I began preparing for the New York Regents exams, and in 2003 I began taking the Regents exams. In the fall of 2003, it became clear to JRC, my parents, and school district that I had accomplished all I could while at JRC and in January 2004 I was transitioned back to public school in New York and mainstreamed. I moved to Florida in August of 2004 and graduated from high school with honors in May 2005. Since then, I took and passed a couple of college courses and had a few jobs, including a seasonal position working for a bank as a data capture specialist, a job that I obtained because of my quick typing skills that I acquired while at JRC. Currently (as of March 2010) I am employed at a call center working as an IT assistant and data entry clerk. I’m very active with my church and currently head up some of the functions within the church. Although I have lived independently since leaving JRC, I currently live with my parents, which I don’t mind all that much because that makes it much easier financially on both them and I.  

About the GED, it saved my life. There are lots of opponents to this controversial, yet potentially life-saving treatment, and understandably so. For someone who has never had the kind of problems I had nor has dealt with anyone who has my kind of problems, when hearing about the GED for the first time, it is only natural to cry torture. However, in reality, being on the GED is a much nicer alternative than being warehoused in a hospital, incarcerated, or being doped up on psychotropic drugs to the point of oblivion. A brief 2-second shock to the surface of the skin sure beats out spending my days restrained and drugged up on drugs and not making any academic progress. I did not like being on the GED when I felt like acting up because it prevented me from being able to do so. But in the end, I’m thankful for the GED because of the enormous progress I made with it and have continued to make once I no longer needed it.

Some people may wind up spending the majority of their life at JRC while being able to enjoy the benefits and privileges the program has while others, like myself, are able to go on to live an independent life. The bottom line is, if those who opposed the GED had their way, I would currently be locked up and heavily medicate at a hospital or in jail or possibly even dead. So for those who have set out to ban the GED please don’t.

Thank you very much.

Sincerely,
Brian Avery


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I am going to hate saying this with all my heart but it is better if used properly then being drugged, it is a last resort before you are restrained every day and put back on drugs. I wish more people would get this. I am not talking about abusing people but you must understand folks there are limited options here whether you want to admit this or not. Most of the patients are in worse shape then Brian Avery with disabilities. They are not getting the shock therapy, why not because there is no need they are never getting any better. You see they are trying everything possible to give Brain some shot at a fulfilling life. His parents know this.
 
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« Reply #126 on: May 16, 2010, 07:21:41 PM »
If you believe that was written by Brian Avery without the aid of ghostwriters or lots and lots of "help", I'd like to sell you a bridge.
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« Reply #127 on: May 16, 2010, 07:38:39 PM »
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The bottom line is, if those who opposed the GED had their way, I would currently be locked up and heavily medicate at a hospital or in jail or possibly even dead. So for those who have set out to ban the GED please don't.
Mmmm. The standard refrain rears its ugly head again. How very predictable.
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« Reply #128 on: May 16, 2010, 08:36:28 PM »
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About the GED, it saved my life. There are lots of opponents to this controversial, yet potentially life-saving treatment, and understandably so. For someone who has never had the kind of problems I had nor has dealt with anyone who has my kind of problems, when hearing about the GED for the first time, it is only natural to cry torture. However, in reality, being on the GED is a much nicer alternative than being warehoused in a hospital, incarcerated, or being doped up on psychotropic drugs to the point of oblivion. A brief 2-second shock to the surface of the skin sure beats out spending my days restrained and drugged up on drugs and not making any academic progress. I did not like being on the GED when I felt like acting up because it prevented me from being able to do so. But in the end, I’m thankful for the GED because of the enormous progress I made with it and have continued to make once I no longer needed it.

What jumps out here, for me, is not just the shock treatment but the alternative of being locked up and having a life of psychotropic drugs.  This is only one case but I think it shows that shock therapy can be beneficial and therefore deserves a closer look.



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« Reply #130 on: May 16, 2010, 09:13:05 PM »
Quote from: "Pile of Dead Kids"
If you believe that was written by Brian Avery without the aid of ghostwriters or lots and lots of "help", I'd like to sell you a bridge.


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Why is what he has wrote supported by ghostwriters and bla..blka..bla but all of the folks you put forth are of stellar reputation. No side is telling the truth as far as fornits have it.
Very sad when we bring our own life of paranoia and project it all over the posts, so much of our life is shown here.  

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« Reply #131 on: May 16, 2010, 09:24:02 PM »
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Why is what he has wrote supported by ghostwriters and bla..blka..bla but all of the folks you put forth are of stellar reputation. No side is telling the truth as far as fornits have it.  Very sad when we bring our own life of paranoia and project it all over the posts, so much of our life is shown here.

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« Reply #132 on: May 16, 2010, 09:25:59 PM »
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Quote from: "Brian Avery"
The bottom line is, if those who opposed the GED had their way, I would currently be locked up and heavily medicate at a hospital or in jail or possibly even dead. So for those who have set out to ban the GED please don't.
Mmmm. The standard refrain rears its ugly head again. How very predictable.


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Ursus, can I ask you a honest question and get a honest answer. Your post above do you really believe that and where you continue to go with your posts. You really believe there is wholesale abuse going on and these children could get other care and have the same results.
I am just asking, it would go a long way in helping me understand you on this particular thread. I know we have our times, I would rather not experience this on this thread it means to much to me.

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« Reply #133 on: May 16, 2010, 09:28:23 PM »
Actually,

The glowing review of the brutality of JRC for Child Torture doesn't even really matter. The discussion about "alternatives" *wank wank* doesn't even matter. What matters is when someone rolls an M-1a2 MBT right through the front doors of the place and the TC says to Mr. Israel, "Say hello to my little friend" right before he pumps a 120 mm Beehive anti-personnel round directly into Israel's sick face.

One glowing review of JRC means nothing. 10 glowing reviews of JRC means nothing. 1000 Glowing reviews of JRC means nothing. 10 Million glowing reviews of JRC means absolutely nothing. The fact that Brian's inability to process what was done to him means nothing to me other than myself getting the impression that this Brian kid is a raving idiot for not being able to muster up the rage over being hooked up to a dog collar and being treated worst than an animal. JRC uses a sick, abusive, and dangerous child abuse technique to scare children straight.

So fuck you Danny for even supporting something like this right after I read this:

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Employees shocked him for aggressive behavior, he says, but also for minor misdeeds, like yelling or cursing. Each shock lasts two seconds. "It hurts like hell," Rob says. (The school's staff claim it is no more painful than a bee sting; when I tried the shock, it felt like a horde of wasps attacking me all at once. Two seconds never felt so long.) On several occasions, Rob was tied facedown to a four-point restraint board and shocked over and over again by a person he couldn't see. The constant threat of being zapped did persuade him to act less aggressively, but at a high cost. "I thought of killing myself a few times," he says.

http://motherjones.com/politics/2007/08/school-shock
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Re: new JRC Article
« Reply #134 on: May 16, 2010, 09:34:26 PM »
Quote from: "JRC's marketing department"
In December of 1999, I was placed on the GED. For the first month or so that I was on the GED, I displayed few inappropriate behaviors, however, once I became acclimated to the fact that I was on the device and was aware of what the GED felt like, I would start displaying lots of more minor behaviors that were not treated with the GED. Once on the GED, instances of me acting out became fewer and more far in between.

Really? Somebody subjected to that really talks like this? You seriously believe that this was genuinely written by him, of his own accord, without any coaching? Actually if it WAS, that's even worse because that would mean that his mind is utterly, completely, institutionalized.

I'm guessing that this originally started as some kind of sick-fuck "report" and they just ran through it with Search and Replace, substituting "he" for "I" and "him" for "me", and made him put his name to it.
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