Hidden Elan School secrets (repost from cache)

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#131 Post by E7haterJe  » Sat Mar 13, 2004 6:22 am

I remember Diane Jacobs. She was there when I was, we were on a ban once, I think I was accused of glamorizing the outside world with her. I remember Diane, and I remember me. The staff confronted the wrong issues, in us young women at the time. I remember Diane and I and other girls at that time, were young, naive, girls. We manouvered our bodies in ways as natural young women our age would. Running through as an X or shingle, or ramrod or whatever with tons of responsibilities and worries on our mind, through a crowded dining room with chairs and giers all over, was very difficult not to bump into someone. obviously issues were way blown out of proportion and young womens femininety was disapproved and dealt with innapropriatly with the bans shit and stuff.

#132 Post by Guest  » Wed Mar 17, 2004 2:44 am

I don't want to sound naive, but my parents are abusive, sadistic bastards who don't want to get in trouble...anyway, after many years of fighting they're sending me in April to Elan...so, I guess this is a bad thing? someone? help?

#133 Post by Guest  » Wed Mar 17, 2004 2:46 am

*looks around site some more*

yea, this is looking very bad...what the hell should i do?

#134 Post by Marina  » Wed Mar 17, 2004 2:47 am

Trust me, you DON'T wanna go there.

#135 Post by Guest  » Wed Mar 17, 2004 4:20 am

Whoever you are, run away from home, and get out of state. I wouldn't advise this normally, but you're being sent to elan. I hope you don't have that long until you turn 18.

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#136 Post by Guest  » Wed Mar 17, 2004 5:34 am

if you can emancipate i would suggest doing so. otherwise your screwed. I would never suggest running away from your problems cause they just come back and bite you in the ass. I would recomend you to send your parents here for some elan feed back, something tells me they will get it from many of us.

#137 Post by Guest  » Wed Mar 17, 2004 10:28 am

People happened to just wake up one day and surprise... there's an agent or whatever that's called... and he'll physically force you to go down there. Ask people, this wasn't my case, but be aware.

#138 Post by SyN  » Wed Mar 17, 2004 2:38 pm

Yep, many a kid came in via bounty hunter. I know if they do get these bounty hunters to take you there, they do it at like 4 am.
But i dont know many people who were told they were going to be going to elan, until of course they were in the parking lot. What a treat for them.
SyN

#139 Post by artman11111  » Wed Mar 17, 2004 3:07 pm

anon
i would hire yourself an attorney or go to your local public defenders office
Elan is no kiddi camp... though alot different today.Leopards dont change their spots.From all I read here about "present day Elan",The abuse still exists as does the deception,manipulation,and shoddy billing practices.
Maybe you oughta consider your behaviors and put yourself "In check".Noone EVER got to Elan or places like it on a winning streak.
Just because someone calls you an asshole,doesnt mean you have to prove them right
art

#140 Post by artman11111  » Wed Mar 17, 2004 3:11 pm

Syn
In my day it was called "the goon squad". Unfortunately i was a part of it for a time..
Was a crazy time in my life.Would wake us up at 2am and fly us to whatever destination to intimidate and / or force a person to come with.
I remember a trip to hartford like that.The kid who's name i dont remember,was cryin,mom was cryin.. it was a very emotional experience.
Then we forced him into the car and jlater Joe's plane.
Never felt good about it,but as you may have heard,we never said no in those days for fear of the consequences
art

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#141 Post by Pete  » Wed Mar 17, 2004 3:51 pm

I would rather live in a teen shelter than go back to Elan. Even though it helped me -- I hated it.

Let's get this straight. Your parents are getting rid of you because of their own problems? Or are you a troubled teen? Be honest with yourself.

If I were you, I would point out these sites. If that doesn't work, I would consult an attorney and if he could not act in a day or two, I would only run away from home if I knew I didn't need help and that I wouldn't hurt my parents because they didn't care anyway. But then again, think of what will happen if you are caught (you will probably get sent to Elan sooner)-- that should be an ABSOLUTE last resort. And you should only run away if you are sure your parents don't have your best interests at heart. I wouldn't advocate running away, but if your parents don't give a shit about you and don't love you, then you shouldn't give them too much regard.

Even if you have to live in a shelter or go to school in another state, it is better than Elan. There are few things worse than being confined somewhere against your will. You will miss the most formative years of your adolescence if you go to Elan. Unless your life is truly (and I mean truly) in danger or you're facing a prison sentence, there is no need to go to Elan.

If your life gets a little uncomfortable, you might think -- OK, I'll just go along with the Elan thing. DON'T! You will kick yourself. And don't let them turn on the tears either to make you feel guilty.

However, if you need some kind of help or guidance, I would try to strike a bargain with them to go somewhere other than Elan. There are several other therapeutic schools that are better than Elan. Grove School in Madison, CT is a good place where there's a lot of freedom and you probably won't want to leave anyway -- it's fun! Hyde School in Bath, Maine, is tough, but only in that you have to do a lot of athletics.

Good luck to you.

#142 Post by E7haterJe  » Wed Mar 17, 2004 5:13 pm

I saw these posts...about a kid bein sent to elan...
I kicked myself as Pete put it, (I think it was Pete) I said, well it will be probally chill like in the hospital, I can do whatever I want, another place I can call home away from home. I was better off, way better of at The John Dewey Academy, where I first was sent, which really wasnt now that I think about it , abusive at all. They didnt give verbal repermands, or GMS or you had to do things like you were living in the army, you could walk around town at your own risk, have money, cook, talk on the phone whenever you wanted to, go to the bathroom, bed, class etc whenever you wanted to. You could look in to that place, but It is EXPENSIVE... I fucked up, by assuming it to be a horrible place, I was a little pussy girl, rebelling against reality I guess you can put it..Being in Great Barrington, MA, was too much for a girl who practically grew up with family al the time all the way down in MIami... This school is also Co-ed and theres no such thing as a 1 on 1... Graduation from this school is also agood thing, educational wise.(as I have heard)... It is a voluntary program, so if you run away after 3 times, (as I did) they call your parents, and tell them they dont really want to try to keep you or help you ,because you dont want to be helped). But it is a beautiful place to live. It is at the Seres Castle (a real castle) and nice atmosphere and enviornment, if you have ever been to Marthas Vinyard, or Key West it is that sort of strange, yet neato vibe goin on.
If you can't persuade your parents to send you somewhere else, or to the John Dewey Academy, well then how old are you? Do you have a friend far away you could run away to? Who will not phone your parents?? Do you suffer from anything? Drug or psychological abuse of any kind? Think about it....Honestly...do you have a problem? Or a problem you may not think is a problem, something natural you are going through, but as an "ADULT" they would think is a problem, from a concerned, parents eye??? If yes..what is it??? Try to find a solution??? Go through your parents stuff when they are not home, PAPERS etc, see if they are really reading or investigating The Elan School, see how serious it is. Read all the sights, print all the material, about the forums, the posts, the info on the Moxley murder etc,. the diff things people think, reviews on different schools. Suggest your parents send you to Outward Bound Program those are fun and summer is nearby.
Hope any of this helps...
Let me know...
Jenn

#143 Post by Guest  » Wed Mar 17, 2004 8:26 pm

Thank you everyone...

Peter Moore--yes, they (parents) are not sending me away because they are sick people. And there are no laws against sick people, so I can't really do anything about it. Note that in my first post I put down that I don't want to sound naive...anyway, the only mistake I made was not preparing for this sooner. I have $250 not in the bank and no real escape plan. I have an IQ of 160 (very high), no identifiable problems, and I just moved 2 years ago to a town where my life is finally back on track...I have really everything I could have ever wanted (friends, popularity, decent grades), outside of my home. But there are really some horrible people in this world who can take advantage of you when you can't fight back, since you are a minor...

Thanks for the help everyone. I still don't really know what I'm going to try to do...this is all very hard. Noone should force change, and I don't think I've accepted that I'm going to be leaving for one place or another soon..God help me (pity moment).

#144 Post by Guest  » Wed Mar 17, 2004 8:35 pm

arrgh...I had a reply, but I used the wrong button. I'll try to re-write it.

I meant that the parents are sending me away because they are bad people. I am perfectly fine. Which is odd, seeing how this has been going on for as long as I can remember, but I guess the result is an eventual thing. I've heard of these bounty hunter atrocities, and tho I don't expect them, I have to sleep with a fucking knife under my pillow.

I need a good psychologist. What really scares me is that no matter what happens, I will probably be destroyed forever, or become some sort of damn shell. And noone will ever know about this, because of these damn school situations. I just want to be a good person. I really can't take much more of this. If I do get out of this, tho, I will have to do something to fix all this someday :cry2:

#145 Post by Pete  » Wed Mar 17, 2004 8:48 pm

"I need a good psychologist. What really scares me is that no matter what happens, I will probably be destroyed forever, or become some sort of damn shell."

No, you won't. The fact that you're willing to reach out and ask for help --whether it's to us or a psychologist -- shows inner strength. With that, you can succeed anywhere, regardless of circumstance.

"And noone will ever know about this, because of these damn school situations. I just want to be a good person. I really can't take much more of this. If I do get out of this, tho, I will have to do something to fix all this someday"

I don't know what you can do to "fix" it -- but you can avoid the nightmare many of us endured -- a long period of confinement. Strike a bargain with them to go somewhere else -- one of the places we've mentioned or to live somewhere else. And if that doesn't work, get out of state. Do not use that knife -- those bounty hunters are acting with the consent of your parents (therefore within the law) and you will likely go to jail if you stab them. Get a lawyer -- this minute!

Best of luck... hurry up!

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#146 Post by artman11111  » Wed Mar 17, 2004 9:44 pm

anon

Violence will only convince those around you how badly you need to be in a place like Elan which as you can see,everyone here is against.
We all have our own perspective axes to grind with the Elan School.From whatever era we attended.The stories run a chill up my spine today (over 25 years later).They are truly sick/perverse people.
Running away is not the answer you will be caught ... where could you go ? and for how long ?
Not the answer !!!
Child advacacy ( however its spelled) specialists are available in EVERY social service organization,state and otherwise.
Get plugged in,act now as Peter says .. He is right...
Throw that knife away before someone bigger takes it from you and uses it on ya
my email is listed and you can call anytime collect
God Bless and GOOD LUCK
Art
(wondering if this is an Elan troll)

#147 Post by Full Coor BC » Wed Mar 17, 2004 9:57 pm

anon-
I would take everything that these people are saying to you very seriously, i had to go to elan-court ordered until i graduated, which ended up being 34 months later. If i had known before what was in store for me i would have thrown on a backpack and headed west, i wouldn't have stopped until i hit the ocean.

You need to avoid being sent to elan if possible, listen to these peoples suggestions, find a trustworthy freind and discuss your options. Be very, very careful not to slip up and tell your plan to the wrong person, remember: "loose lips sink ships". You need to put your smarts to work and think things out, save as much money is possible in the meantime while making your plan. And have a "sense of urgency".

You do not want to go to elan, the time lost is reason enough and the time that you lose as a teenager can never be replaced, its really hard for me to hear about what i missed while i was disconnected to from the world.

My best description of how i remember it is that it was a bad trip that lasted three years and anyone who has ever had a bad trip knows that it seems like it will never end and there is hardly anything you can do about it, nothing is right, everyone seems out to get you (accept in elan they usually were/are).you feel like you are losing your mind and the people you may be attracted to seek out for comfort end up being the people they won't let you talk to.

Its a sad scene to look around the dining room of one of elans "houses" on a holiday and see 50 miserable homesick kids and if not home sick then sick with themselves for having to be there.

sorry about the rant but its hard for me to make sense when describing elan to someone who has never been.lets just put it this way : I had never seen a place like elan before i went there and I would not wish it on my worst enemy.

I graduated and was not a major problem when i was there but it was still a living hell, every time i thought i was doing good and on my way out they pulled me back down and added more time. I was there 9-95 to 6-98 and i was supposed to be there 18 months. Don't let the best ( and as peter said "most formative") years of your life be stolen from you.

please take this warning seriously if you take your freedom seriously, don't wait until the police or bounty hunters have you cornered. You need to go before this becomes a problem. I wish i had the forethought of escape before i was captured. Keep checking in with us and let us know how you are.

#148 Post by Marina  » Thu Mar 18, 2004 1:56 am

"my email is listed and you can call anytime collect" - Can I call you collect too, Art?
::bigsmilebounce::

If anyone'd have the chance to go back in time and not be sent to Elan, trust me, they would. I know we can't change our pasts and I can't deny the fact that I've grown from this experience, so In learned to accept the facts and be thankful that it's over. Think about all the possible alternatives and act fast. There's nothing else I could say to you that wasn't mentioned previously. Listen to these guys, they are very sincere and they want to help you. Oh, by the way, don't call me collect, I live in Brazil, but you're welcome to e-mail me at any time.

Take care yo!

#149 Post by Guest  » Thu Mar 18, 2004 2:42 am

yes feel free to call Art collect anytime!!!!

#150 Post by E7haterJe  » Thu Mar 18, 2004 4:28 am

Whitney Long- are you male??? You were in 7?? rightand you were very thin?? Ithink I remember you if this is who u r?

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#151 Post by Marina  » Thu Mar 18, 2004 5:10 am

Whitney? Red hair, blue eyes, tall, good looking, played the guitar... I remember him.

#152 Post by artman  » Thu Mar 18, 2004 12:33 pm

Marina
Buy a fone card !!!! cheapskate !!!! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
your collect call would break me !

#153 Post by Marina  » Thu Mar 18, 2004 1:56 pm

A phone card is no fun!!!!!!!!
::mecry::

#154 Post by Full Coor BC » Thu Mar 18, 2004 5:08 pm

Yep jenn, you got me i was in your house for a while before your visit with deenah j. And marina youre making me blush but thank you. jenn, it took me a while to cook up your picture in my brain but it came to me after a little reminding from jordan, i have a hard time putting names with faces of people from when i first got to elan and right before i left. I remember all the people who i was there with for several months with a little easier though. It has been very strange and exciting remembering all these people.

_________________
Whit(ney) Long
Elan 7 Veteran
09-01-95 to 06-12-98

"Leave no turn unstoned"-Jerome Garcia

"I'd rather be a free man in my grave than living as a puppet or a slave"- Jimmy Cliff

#155 Post by O.U.2  » Thu Mar 18, 2004 10:25 pm

Some one said something about Dave Lovallo. Is he the kid who got sent to E-7 from E-8 to keep him close to his gay ass brother? I was on a ban from him because we had a split contract and one day he went to E-7 for the day because he couldn't go on a trip and he told his gay ass brother about it and if you went to elan you know the rest HELL!!!! :cry2:

Also, Peter M. I was the one who asked about Eric L. and Bill M. but i was not signed in. i also wanted to know if Jeff Ortiz really killed his mom with a sledge hammer?

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#156 Post by Pete  » Thu Mar 18, 2004 10:31 pm

OU2, Jeff was indeed convicted in 1998 of killing his mom with a sledgehammer the previous year. He is serving life plus 10 years (the 10 years for robbery -- he apparently took her credit cards after killing her) at the Indiana State Prison. A few years ago, a girl with whom he was in Elan told me that Jeff wrote her a letter in which he maintained his innocence.

There is a denial of Jeff's appeal on the Internet, look up "Rebecca Ortiz" (in quotes) on Google.

Who are you? If you came to E-8 in '95, I definitely know you.

#157 Post by E7haterJe  » Fri Mar 19, 2004 12:23 am

wait a minute...the Whitney long i remember and i am unsure? bc when i saw u...u were there after you had short hair... i may be thinking of someone else...but that is cool you know me... Jenny i am theres pictures on a sight i can give you the link now. to see me now. of cource WAY diff from eating mud pies all day or that slop they fed us which i dont remember its name. that we gorged in daily and put like lbs on us...(of which totally shedded off upon living back in miami) but ANYWAY---
the whitney i want to try to put you with, is the whitney or guy, who was tall thin quiet, you were a new resident fairly as i remember you, you were the guy that accused Peter Rowe of making passes on you, and all this shit and then u were moved to another house after you "coped to your guilt" that you made it up? was that you? if that isnt you ...help me out to remember who u are that you remember me? I think its cool to communicate with people from the house of which we all lived in for so long together, years later. I spoke to Amanda Moore and it was cool, to see how many great strides shes made for herself and ive chilled out a few times with Miluska Martinez because her parents lived in Miami too... and that was cool.. send me a picture so i can try to remember.

#158 Post by E7haterJe  » Fri Mar 19, 2004 12:26 am

oh..and oh yea... ive chilled out with shaya charm..that was some IRONIC CRAZY SHIT HOW WE BUMPED IN TO EACH OTHER... i was chillen one night at one of my friends apartments on south beach, and in through the door, walks three guys...none of which i knew...and then i take a DOUBLE TAKE ON SHAYA, AND IM LIKE NOOO WAY...WHAT THE F*** IS THIS KID DOIN IN MIAMI? then i ask him did u go to this boarding school in MAINE!!! hes like YEA,,, and we go on and on with the questions and he and i are completly BAFFLED THE IRONICNESS OF BUMPING TO EACH OTHER like that!!!

#159 Post by O.U.2  » Fri Mar 19, 2004 2:42 pm

Was that person who wrote him the letter Lindsy B.
Peter you were a Guru right??

#160 Post by Full Coor BC » Fri Mar 19, 2004 3:54 pm

hey jenny- i don't remember accusing pete of making passes but i definitely was in your house and remember you, i just moved down to florida so i don't have my pictures unpacked, when i do i'll scan some to refresh your memory, i'd love to see some of you though, people seem to look so much different than you remember, nine or so years will do that sometimes i guess. I remember shaya, he luke ( i can't remember his last name) was in dorm c with me my first week at elan. talk to you soon.

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#161 Post by Pete  » Fri Mar 19, 2004 7:27 pm

OU2, no, it was someone else. E-mail me about it, publicrelationsjenny26@yahoo.com
See ya
Jenn

#165 Post by E7haterJe  » Mon Mar 22, 2004 7:31 am

whitney everytime i try to send you an email it sends me to a weird screen and mail gets returned?? send me a pm with another email address or somethin?

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#166 Post by Guest  » Mon Mar 22, 2004 11:59 pm

The kid whose parents are going to send them to Elan. There's this thing called traveler's aid, and they will buy you a bus ticket to get home. If you know someone who's 18, have them get in contact with someone on the other coast and have them say that you live there, and they buy you a ticket for free. Don't even show your parents stuff from this site, they won't listen, because Elan brainwashes people. To this day, my mother still thinks Elan is a great place and that she knew what the place was like and that everyone else on these sites is wrong.

#167 Post by Guest  » Tue Mar 23, 2004 12:01 am

For the same kid, what part of the country do you live in, email me at thegreathal@mindless.com ops:

#170 Post by Full Coor BC » Tue Mar 23, 2004 10:27 pm

good luck and godspeed, brave one, we are here if you need us, sleep with one eye open.

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#171 Post by Guest  » Tue Mar 23, 2004 10:40 pm

What is going to happen when this kids parents (if it really is a kid and not some sorta cop plant) call the police or the feds to report that whit long, and other people have contributed to the delinquency of a minor (encouraging an under age person to run away from home)in public, in print, leaving evidence that anyone anywhere can see?

God Speed, stupid one.

#172 Post by Full Coor BC » Tue Mar 23, 2004 10:49 pm

hey anon, have some balls post who you are. i just said what i wish someone had said to me. i find it hard to believe that my input can be called contributing to delinquency, im sure the police would find the blatent hate crimes ie:racism, harassment a bit more interesting than my kind words. keep hiding under that paper bag you wimp.

#173 Post by Guest  » Tue Mar 23, 2004 11:52 pm

hahahah....
"keep hiding under that paper bag you wimp" hahaha
LMAO
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
whatever...
if that.... god only knows this kid is a fake, or has more SEVERE problems, he is not telling us. Based on what he or she has told us...stuff like...he. she has no REASON why he/she is being sent to Elan is NO reason, why someone should be totured and sent to a place like Elan... So therefore, our advice, is ADVISE...he/she did not sign on any dotted line, nor did we provide any sort of address to our home providing in house safety. Right? So whatever we say is up to that he/ or she top follow, advise if he/she is really living with psycho parents that want to send he/she to Elan for NO REASON....

#174 Post by Guest  » Wed Mar 24, 2004 12:05 am

If you were just giving me advice, then why were you so worried 2 posts up (unless this is a different person, in which case you should identify yourself)?

If I had anything important, I would have said it already. No point in hiding anything in this situation. I guess Elan doesn't have the best English department, as it took me maybe 5 times to actually understand what you wrote.

So...you're saying that the advice is just untrackable answers to the situation, and that I'm a fake or a liar. Next time post some evidence or apologize, please.

#175 Post by E7haterJe  » Wed Mar 24, 2004 12:08 am

i dont apologize to you i apologize that i was not LOGGED on... :lol: :lol: :lol:
Jenn Jenn

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#176 Post by Guest  » Wed Mar 24, 2004 4:37 am

There is nothing untrackable on the internet

#177 Post by E7haterJe  » Wed Mar 24, 2004 6:18 am

i never said nor insinuated that nothing is untrackable. I just said the posters here that i know of, and myself never said anything incriminating. we only gave advice. Like I said we never had them sign nor said you have to do this. He/she will make his or her own moves. And if you have a responce to this well whatever... Im tired of responding to your posts about if He/ or She will do what we said, or will get hurt from doing what we said, needed to , or didnt need to whatever I only care that he/she makes the right decision based on what is right or wrong going on in his or her home. And that no one is ever sent to Elan for the wrong reasons. Elan is no place to fuck around with. It can cause serious long term damaging memories to go there, if he or shes parents have no real reason to send he or she there. Makes no sence. Oh well gotta go eat my brownie bites while I work on my homework. See ya.
Jenny

#178 Post by artman11111  » Wed Mar 24, 2004 11:55 am

This looks and smells just like a troll. I havent been in contact with Elan since 1981 or 2,however this "kid" feels and sounds just like a sharon/deanne troll.
With the documentary in the making,and Syn's isea of a grass roots movement,it only seems like they
"Elan" are looking to disrupt and/or discredit anyone here from this site.
I could be wrong and have been many times but ive got a funny feeling about it
There's my 2 cents
art

#179 Post by SyN  » Wed Mar 24, 2004 2:05 pm

I dont think thats the only one Art, but i do agree. i dont know anyone who was told they were going to elan, untill they are in cuffs, or in my case hog tied. I think they just wanna get a rise out of us.
SyN

#180 Post by artman11111  » Wed Mar 24, 2004 7:45 pm

Anyone remember Alice "The Hun" Dunn...
The song Time will be etched in my mind forever as Alice would play it at every gm she ran.Wonder what Chris C would have to say to her today for paddling him so many times he was blistered for weeks.
Mike P and I changed his dressing every day for him... Was disgusting !!!
Alice,your behaviors,then statements at Skakel's trila only further discredit you from being a part of the human race.You put the fear of god into hundreds of kids,only to feed your sick demented ego
Wonder how many adults are still in therapy over your antics..Burn in hell

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#181 Post by Marina  » Thu Mar 25, 2004 1:57 am

Hey... I was told I was going to Elan. My mother described "Elan" as a "study abroad program" for students who had problems adapting to the regular school system.

#182 Post by E7haterJe  » Thu Mar 25, 2004 4:24 pm

I was at the John Dewey Academy, which I voluntarilly agreed to go to with my mom. When I arrived there, my mom said to me "Jenn you dont have to stay if you dont want to" and I said "No mom, this seems real cool, I think it will be good for me" after 2 weeks, I was calling my mom daily, crying that I wanted her to come get me, and by then she realized life without my drama, was better, and said "stay there till you graduate, I changed my mind, you have to stay", thats when I rebelled and ran away to NYC, (because you could there) and after 3 shots, the president of the academy Tom Bratter, was like "no, this is a voluntary program, we recommended The Elan School to your mom, and he kept insinuating I remember of this kid SHIT I cant remember him name, who was sent there from the John Dewey Academy too, and he was like THERE U CANT GET AWAY WITH THIS...

#183 Post by Pete  » Thu Mar 25, 2004 4:31 pm

That kid from John Dewey was probably Louis Mayerson. Nice guy.

#184 Post by E7haterJe  » Thu Mar 25, 2004 4:40 pm

no i do remember his name started with a J

#185 Post by Guest  » Thu Mar 25, 2004 6:03 pm

there were sorta...complications...on going yesterday. so I don't know. I could either hastily run away today, or wait for a more suitable time even though I have only a week or two to decide.

As for everyone saying I'm a troll, I was trying to be nice about it, but I don't appreciate having accusations thrown at me, so FUCK YOU.

that felt good. Anyway, you were saying how you weren't told about Elan--I believe that;

-everyone involved is to squeamish to hire a bounty hunter for whatever reason, I guess lest they look really bad, and
-they wouldn't get or keep me in a car for long either lying or not telling me where I was going.

e7, or anyone, what exactly did you do in NYC? I have everything worked out, except I still don't have much of an idea where I can stay.

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#186 Post by artman11111  » Fri Mar 26, 2004 12:09 pm

Thanks Deanna ::bangin:: ::spam:: ::spam:: ::spam::

#187 Post by Pete  » Fri Mar 26, 2004 3:54 pm

Art don't do that. I don't think the kid's a troll.

If you try to seek out a Catholic charity shelter like Covenant House, they will probably put you up. But should you really run away? Have you tried to reason with your parents?

#188 Post by artman11111  » Fri Mar 26, 2004 7:08 pm

just too many coincidence's
i could be wrong .. and hope i am
But i am a synic at heart and put nothing past the Elan corp...

#189 Post by SyN  » Sat Mar 27, 2004 3:24 am

sorry to say your a troll kid if you aren't. But survivors dont seem to trust much, thats why we congregate together, and are striving to end the elan program and hopefully others.
Nothing personal, but if you do go to Elan you will understand.
First piece of advice. Dont run. from experience you cant comprehend untill your older. dont run. thats what they want, it seals, and sells the deal. you run your deamed out of controll and cant be trusted. Equaling incarceration for your own good. DIG?

Second, if your not there yet, you have unlimited hope. Share this site with them, as well as jackies site.

http://groups.msn.com/TIMETOCLOSETHEDOORSOFELAN

honestly no one here knows what goes on in elan alums forums dedicated to parents, so i cannot say or recomend that one fully but the open forums tells the tale.
Start finding out for your self where you stand with them at this imediate time so as to know what you need to do to not get enrolled.

Third. straighten the fuk up and play the game right. Something your doing is getting you sent to a horrible place ment as " tough love." Even if you dont agree staighten the fuk up and play the game right. Game being life man.
Its how everyone else plays and gets by, there will be hella time to define your self and create the reality you want now, but cant have. Teen years are rough, dont loose them. Most of us dont know what it was like to be 15 16 17 18. We lost that time and will never get it back. dont fuk your time up man, or chik, w/e

recap and define your self, but do it subtly and without harm to anyone, (anyone includes you).

The only philosophy that stuck with me through my elan time
Seeing yourselves in the eyes of others shall demand change.

It is actually showing its'self now. Be well and feel free to email me if you want some help or a person to talk to.
you can change it all if you want to.
hopefully you arent a fukn troll and i didnt just waste all this time and space for nada.
SyN

#190 Post by E7haterJe  » Mon Mar 29, 2004 1:15 am

Wow!!!!! That was beautifully said!!! I love the way you put all your thoughts together...
All so true...
Jenny :nworthy:

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#191 Post by SyN  » Mon Mar 29, 2004 3:22 am

thanks, my ghetto keeps slippin out though. lol ::hehehmm::
Syn

#192 Post by Guest  » Sun Apr 04, 2004 1:33 pm

ELAN IS HELL RUN FOR YOUR FUCKING LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NOW STOP READING AND GO!

#193 Post by Guest  » Sun Apr 04, 2004 11:58 pm

RUN RUN LIKE AN ANTELOPE

ROLL ROLL LIKE CANTELOPE

#194 Post by Guest  » Thu Apr 08, 2004 4:21 am

On 2002-08-28 03:59:00, Anonymous wrote:

how about the guy who used to piss shit and throw up in his hands and then throw it on people.

or the time they tied him to the chair with restaints and then his sp's dumped him down the stairs while still tied to the chair.

or the time when two kids ran away from elan 3 and the strength sent after them from elan 7 beat the living shit out of them in the woods, and never told staff, how do i know, i was one of them( the strength).

or the time when one of the children there was sexually molested by a staff memeber and they covered it up by sending him to another house.....

the list keeps getting bigger....
and bigger.....

are you talking about chris williams? the pathetic kid from maine or the kid that got booted from 7 to 3?

#195 Post by Guest  » Thu Apr 08, 2004 4:26 am

Hey, I was looking up criticisms of John Dewey Academy on the net, and very suprisingly i found almost none. This isn't to say that JDA is not a beneficial school for those who complete it, but my story as a very brief student there (a few years ago by now) was outright ridiculous. When my parents came down to help me out after I was having trouble in my second week, Mr. Bratter called my Mother a "stupid bitch" because she disagreed with his idea of making me wear an eight inch dildo around my neck, to signify that I was going to be raped if i ever left the school. Then i was also told that I would be selling myself out on the street to make a living as a 15 year old boy. Tom Bratter may have helped a lot of people out, and I don't deny it, but I just want people to have a better idea of the bullshit that he will pull when provoked (and i certainly did provoke it) By the way i was also threatened to go to Elan, and managed to convince my parents to turn back about 40 minutes from the entrance. Thank fucking God

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#196 Post by Guest » Thu Apr 08, 2004 10:45 am

On 2004-04-07 21:26:00, Anonymous wrote:

By the way i was also threatened to go to Elan, and managed to convince my parents to turn back about 40 minutes from the entrance. Thank fucking God

Consider yourself touched by an angel.

#197 Post by xres8182  » Thu Apr 08, 2004 12:59 pm

Dildo around your neck? That's some funny shit

#198 Post by Guest  » Fri Apr 09, 2004 12:04 am

hey marina,this is valerie martinez just thought id say whats up luv y lots

#199 Post by Guest  » Fri Apr 09, 2004 3:17 am

yeah, i was stouched by an angel instead of a fucking Mainer Heroin addict. Maine Sucks worse than a vietnamese jizz whore.
OH yeah, i forgot to mention this, Tom's desk drawer and the "leave at anytime policy is bullshit" i left and Tom called the cops on me, only to bring me back so he could tell me "think of me when you're getting raped" and then sent me to the police station.

#200 Post by SyN  » Fri Apr 09, 2004 5:42 am

got a # we can reach this prick at?
SyN

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#201 Post by E7haterJe  » Sat Apr 10, 2004 9:33 pm

Who are you? That you went to JDA?? I went there...ugh....
Were you there around the time...when Tom Bratter was getting acussed of molesting a girl in Scarsedale? I looked it up online to see if I could find any stories about it but I couldnt find it.
I remember, when I first met him with my mom, and heard he was being accused of those rape charges, I felt he was capable of those things, from thevibe I got from him....(If your a girl, you can get vibes from men by the way they look at you) ewwww.....
He used to plan outings, which involved going to his actual house!
What kind of owner at a theraputical boarding school, plans an all day event at his personal house? I remember we all went to his house, we had a huge bar-b-que, and me and like 2 girls and a couple of guys and Tom Bratter, sat in this huge jacuzzi/hot tob on his back porch. The only things I can remember loving about JDA now that I think back is, being able to do whatever you wanted when you needed too, the beautiful ceiling in my bed room,the huge Castle the I lived in, the painting I have that I painted of JDA while sitting under a tree outside of the whole front of the school actually, it was the back. Playing sports in front. Sitting on the pay phone down stairs by the main bathroom with my feet up. Walking to the store to buy shampoo and stuff. Talking to the strange yet intresting people in that small town of Great Barrington.
Whatever...and more....
I left 3 times--from JDA on the bus t Port Authority to stay in NYC with my cousin. I remember I used to buy my ticket at that store across the road, that sold ickets and I was 16 yrs old, which in that town was a legal age for smoking traveling etc...like 18 is here, 16 then was like being 18. I remember saying fuck it, buying a pack of smokes(bc you couldnt smoke there) and smoking smokes while waiting for the bus, and like 3 people from the school saying come on Jenn come back to JDA. I was like hell no. They couldnt restrain, grab or force youthere that was in humane-not even thought of behavior.
OH- and about the kid who feced on himself and vomited and threw it on people- he was in my house in E7, his name was Jesse. He went through a faze....He was reaLLY depressed, and lost his pride for a whle in the corner, I guess he forgot who he was, he was so desperate to get out of Elan, he stooped sOOOO low!! Eventually, Jesse got a GM with a ring against Luke Thomas at our house, he got a few rounds of I thought was abuse! I cried in every RING i saw...I knew it JUST wasnt right! Tania Merrett and a few people used to be like Jenny, cheer get in it...I would sit in the dining room or cry. I remember there was a GM/RING when I was an Expeditor. It took me sooo long to get Expeditor from shot doiwn, and when I heard we were having a RING i was like OH SHIT>>cause I knew Id break. They made me cry. And I got shotdown. for not partiipating. Anyway- Jesse got a ring...i remember he begged for it to stop, and Tania Merett was right there on the side saying "NO NO...what are you gonna do to change blah blah" like 5-6 rounds I remember...Jesse got knocked up pretty bad...Luke was real mad too I remember!! It was just plain wrong....
And yes, they moved him to 3 I think. I think SYN knew him after. I remember when Jesse first gotn to 7, he was a nice kid, Elan just tore him up...to revert to what he did do there....

The other kid, I cant remember his name he was this kid who looked maybe Spanish or Indian, tall and REALLLLLLY skinny1!! like a boney tooth pick...He had short hair around his head like a bowl cut.
He came out with these acusations, that Peter Rowe had sexually molested him. Peter Rowe and Tania Merret cam in front of the house, and Peter Rowe put on the lamest tearey eye, I m so depressed, pitty party for him because he said this kid accused him, and his parents want an investigation and he wasnt able to work out of E7 till the charges were solved. Later--that kid said he made it up...Who knows??? Id believ it...if Peter Rowe did molest him....Eventually- they moved him too....Poor guy....

Then there was Shane. I liked Shane...He was SOOO nice,,,He reminded me of a Kurt Cobain. He was soo cool....He eventually made it in to the corner.. He didnt go to the bathroom or vomit on himself, or acuse anyone of sexual buse, he REFUSED to EAT!
That guy didnt eat ANYTHING FOR A WHOLE WEEK OR 2!!!! He said he wanted to die and starved himself laying down in the corner. Eventually the nurse had to come and they were going to put a tube in him. To feed hm, but his parents were worried and pulled him out...Lucky KID...

Then there was this kid Nick White who was from Maine....Someohow he got HOOKED UP...He was aloud to see his parents and family LIKE EVERY DAY!!! I was soo jealous..
and also----
there was this kid named: Ryan Montemerlo, he was from Massachusetts somewhere....
his parents would come all the time too...nd he would get special treatment visits outings all the TIME!!!

Anyways--
what else can I say? Mike should call him up and say"Hey I was intrested in sending my daughter there, although I was a little concerned because I heard the owner(Tom Bratter) was acussed of molesting a girl at JDA....

#202 Post by Guest  » Sat Apr 10, 2004 10:06 pm

wow another useless story from that whacko bitch!

#203 Post by E7haterJe  » Sat Apr 10, 2004 10:08 pm

Oh, SYN, what happened with the documentary thing?

#204 Post by Guest  » Sat Apr 10, 2004 11:20 pm

Are you guys still coming to chicago for stories?

#205 Post by Guest  » Sun Apr 11, 2004 12:03 am

What kind of releases do you need and why?