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Offline Oscar

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Please explain to me why....
« on: January 05, 2010, 05:47:01 PM »
... You can start a trial in a case where it is not decided if the charges is too old.

We are talking about the trial against Camilla Broe.

Back in 1990 she was working as consultant in Florida where she helped U.S. Businesses in dressing their clients up for business meetings. Even the smallest choice of clothes can offend clients like wearing a red shirt, white socks or brown shoes after 6 p.m.

She was hired by a guy who had an investment firm. She befriended him socially. After some time she discovered that the investment firm was a front for a drug smuggling operation and went to the local police. The criminals were arrested but ... the case was turned over to the DEA and they took her statements to the criminals she had turned in, so they testified against her in anger.

Before the DEA took over the case she had offered to work as an undercover agent. In order to secure her daughter if something happened to her while working for the police she traveled to Denmark to place the daughter at family until the police contacted her.

Two year later she was charged secretly. Then 5 years went and suddenly in 2007 the DEA wanted her extradited. Some believe that it happened at that time because a Danish prime minister wanted a job at NATO.

She was flown to Florida in August. A DEA agent testified that the case was through the Danish court system delaying it for almost two year due to pressure from our minister of Justice. This statement has been denied by a spokeman for our prime minister. It makes the statement of DEA agent perjury.

The judges has not ruled on the statutes of limitations, so why can the trial start?
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Re: Please explain to me why....
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2010, 06:35:01 PM »
to Oscar: in my experience the D.E. A, is more or less out of control. They have a mentality and they live in a world where all are the enemy. One of the fellows I've worked with (contract jobs only) lived "inside the fence" for three years. that's a long time, and inside the fence is a hard place. It's such a smoke and mirror world that you never know who can get you killed, or who is merely a pretender. It's a hard way, and they become hard men, many corrupt, and all dangerous. It's the way you live, the way you survive. they become bereft of sympathy, or empathy. after a while they are un-able to identify with people who aren't psychopaths in the drug world. It's a hard life. That don't make it right, but that's the way it is. The people you fight are people worse than you. That don't make you feel all that good about how you spent your day, but that's the job you took. It's also a hard life to walk away from, as I have. J.O.M
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Re: Please explain to me why....
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2010, 05:56:45 AM »
Apparently the judge ruled this morning that the charges were met by the statuties of limitation. She is exonerated of all charges, because she cannot be charged with obstruction of justice and conspiracy due to the extradition agreement.

http://http://www.cphpost.dk/news/international/89-international/47887-drug-smuggling-charges-dropped.html

She has suffered 3 years of trials and imprisonment just because she was a foreigner working as police informant at the wrong time and place.

I mailed "The Institute for dissemination of Danish culture and information" so her case can be listed on their webpage.
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Re: Please explain to me why....
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2010, 02:53:48 PM »
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Re: Please explain to me why....
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2010, 03:37:49 AM »
At a hearing in the Danish parliament held yesterday our present minister of justice Brian Mikkelsen stated that the DEA agent must have got it wrong. No Dane forced the DEA to seek her extradited.

For more info read this blog in Miami Herald:

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The Danish parliament held a hearing in the extradition case regarding the former police-informer and single mother Camilla Broe, who was the first Dane to be extradited to the United States.

The Camilla Broe case is for Denmark what the Amanda Knox case is for the United States. It is a case who had an immense impact on our culture. The number of youth traveling abroad has dropped to an all time low. People are trying to get unlisted in our phonebooks because they will not risk being a random victim for a criminal seeking a name to blame his actions on if he is caught by the police and engage in a plea-bargain where he has to gives names in order to get off easy. People are simply scared because they now know that none are safe. They don’t have to break the law before they are torn from their beloved once and shipped to a foreign country.

The alleged crimes she may have committed took place more than 10 years ago. The story is that she worked as consultant in Florida for businesses who were trying to enter the European market, so they could dress right before meeting European clients. She met an Italian guy who had an investment firm and an antique business.

They became befriended and she even rented an apartment from him for a cheap price. However after some time she discovered that something was wrong. The businesses were fronts for a drug smuggling operation.

The testimonies given during the trial show that she informed the police who the criminals were. She offered to place her daughter in the care of the family in Denmark so she could work for the police as a police agent. So back in 2001 she traveled to Denmark and made arrangements while waiting for instructions about what to do. There were no words for months and she decided to start her life over with her daughter in Denmark.

For years she heard nothing, but back the United States she was secretly charged. Then in 2007 she was arrested and after two years of trials in Denmark she was extradited in august 2009. A week ago the judge in the case ruled that the charges were met with statutes of limitation. This ruling was appealed and she must wait a year or two more for the appeal courts.

I am not a Taxpayer in the United States but I have to inform people that if she is convicted the sentence will be annulled when she returns to Denmark as part of the terms in the extradition agreement  where she then will be given a new sentence based on Danish guidelines. So even if she is found guilty all the prosecution will have achieved will be wasting the taxpayer’s money.

The prosecution has told the courts that the entire process took so long because the Danish minister of justice at that time ordered them to use the Danish court system, which is slow – very slow – as result of a court reform conducted by the same minister of justice. At least it is what the DEA agent told as part of his testimony under oath at the pre-trial.

But under the hearing today in our parliament the present minister of justice in Denmark told that every bit of the statement given by the agent is false. Denmark did not pressure the DEA into anything. In fact they could have lured her abroad and have her abducted by the CIA which is everyday incidents in Europe today. I don’t know if that part with the CIA abduction is true, however most Danes I have spoken with regards the conviction against Amanda Knox as a try to have her hostage until the United States extradite the CIA agents convicted for abduction in Italy.
 
The entire case is very confusing. I don’t think that our minister of justice is lying. If he does, the entire government will be fired if it is proven that he was lying. It is not a risk that he can afford.

It leaves only option. The true statement was not given in the court in Miami. But is lying in court not a crime?

As I stated above the case has meant a lot for youth considering staying a year in the United States as exchange student? Webpages, which are created to advice youth, now list this case among others as a warning. You must realize that neither conspiracy nor obstruction of justice is a crime in Denmark. So if they do as little as even just witness a crime they have to flee the country at once because we in Denmark have no tradition of having people from respectable homes interact with the police authorities. In Denmark crime is purely based on social heritage. Numerous reports tell a story about how as little as the clothes worn in court can mean a lot regarding the sentence given in a case.

I don’t know that the goal is by having such a case unless it is part of the strategy in our education system where gap years and foreign influence are hoped to be minimized. Youth who takes a year off to study abroad loose a grade bonus. A year in an U.S. High school are not credited once the youth return to Denmark because there are no social factor in a U.S. High school compared to the rather superior Danish education system. Not even Fridays bars exist as they do in Denmark did I learn with some shock.

Maybe this whole case is just about scaring people from having foreign contacts. If it is the case, I have to say that it is working.
I will never allow my children to go abroad and research conducted in 2009 show that it is a common trend.

But back to my question:

Are you allowed to lie during the pre-trial or is it only during the trial itself that people are sworn in?
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Re: Please explain to me why....
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2010, 03:39:52 PM »
The second ruling was the same as the first one. They cannot charge her, but now she is facing a number of years in U.S. Jail because she became an illegal immigrant when the U.S. Marshalls took her into the United States without proper visa back when Denmark extradited her.

None have seen this coming. She has mortgaged her entire home and got some tough defense lawyer. But none - not even the Danish government - believed that the DEA had a backup plan in the immigration laws.

You can not win against the U.S. Government!
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