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[liarsexposed]

Art, If you can hold up in a difficult conversation about a friend, I'll discuss this with you. I will not get into a knock down dragged out verbal fight. It will accomplish nothing.
That is precicely what you have accomplished thus far here at Fornits
 

 
This murder happened in the fall of 1975, almost 3 years before he got to Elan. The evidence was mounting before he got to Elan.
You may draw whatever conclusions that you like
 

 
So we can argue about Micky Sherman, John Higgins, Mike Coleman, Danny Bennison, Harry Krannick and Alice Dunn. Joe Ricci at the grand jury and trial, stood up for Mike, while behind everyones back lambasted Mike for his guilt.
Save the "Program speak" for someone who may be impressed

 Danny
In the short time that I have known you. I have found you less than forthcoming. I wouldnt have an EASY conversation with you let alone a difficult one.You are entitled to your opinions,and whatever else you can find to stir something up. But at the end of the day..You remain a troll,and a fraud. I gave in, to the idea, that we could have an exchange of emails and you sold me out.
Much as I hate to admit it.. Mark and Sharon,Collectively have more CLASS in their single Pinkey's,than you will ever posess in your body,or lifetime.
Go impress your little playmates in your 200 threads

[mark babitz]

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Photo of Mr Sherman

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Elizabeth Arnold

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Michaels  G.M.

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[DannyB II]

Art, If you can hold up in a difficult conversation about a friend, I'll discuss this with you. I will not get into a knock down dragged out verbal fight. It will accomplish nothing.
That is precicely what you have accomplished thus far here at Fornits
 

 
This murder happened in the fall of 1975, almost 3 years before he got to Elan. The evidence was mounting before he got to Elan.
You may draw whatever conclusions that you like
 

 
So we can argue about Micky Sherman, John Higgins, Mike Coleman, Danny Bennison, Harry Krannick and Alice Dunn. Joe Ricci at the grand jury and trial, stood up for Mike, while behind everyones back lambasted Mike for his guilt.
Save the "Program speak" for someone who may be impressed

 Danny
In the short time that I have known you. I have found you less than forthcoming. I wouldnt have an EASY conversation with you let alone a difficult one.You are entitled to your opinions,and whatever else you can find to stir something up. But at the end of the day..You remain a troll,and a fraud. I gave in, to the idea, that we could have an exchange of emails and you sold me out.
Much as I hate to admit it.. Mark and Sharon,Collectively have more CLASS in their single Pinkey's,than you will ever posess in your body,or lifetime.
Go impress your little playmates in your 200 threads

Art, if you would just take your meds when your supposed to, then you could talk to folks in a civilized manner but you won't. So your paranoia gets the better of you and you sink back down into that morass of finger pointing you so enjoy.
Art, trust me, I did not expect anything other then what you just did, you are not capable of anything more.
So fight on or not with your buddies, I guess your all getting along now, which is a good thing. Now would be the time for you to start giving back to fornits instead of continuously taking.
Art, if you are referring to me enlightening Psy as to your dealings, concerning closing down fornits recently in a email you sent me, well let me hip you to something, fornits will always be bigger then you, my friend. Your crap of 10 months ago was bullshit and as far as I'm concerned will never happen again if I can help it. So if you do not want to call me a friend because of that, so be it "selfish one".
BTW, you are not a good person at all, actually your a very insensitive person. Why would I care if you want anything to do with me, Oh, OK, I don't.
Be kind to yourself, Art.

[mark babitz]

Let's not pass by Mr Wiggins from So Carolina

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Key testimony from the Skakel trial

Highlights of testimony in the case of Kennedy cousin Michael Skakel, who was convicted Friday in the 1975 beating death of Greenwich teen-ager Martha Moxley.

Prosecution testimony

Dorthy Moxley: Moxley's mother; testified May 7 about the frantic efforts to find her daughter the morning of Oct. 31, 1975. Moxley said she went to the Skakel house looking for her daughter and Michael opened the door. She said he appeared "hung over."

Thomas Keegan: A Greenwich police captain at the time of the murder; testified May 8 that police applied unsuccessfully for an arrest warrant for Skakel's older brother, Thomas, who was the last person seen with Moxley.

Dr. H. Wayne Carver: Chief state medical examiner; testified May 8 about the injuries Moxley suffered, and said he could not pinpoint a time of death.

Henry Lee: Forensics expert and former state commissioner of public safety; testified May 8 that there was no direct evidence linking Skakel to the slaying, but said there was indirect evidence suggesting a link.

James Lunney: Former Greenwich police detective; testified May 9 he saw a set of golf clubs in the Skakel home matching the murder weapon.

Kenneth Littleton: Former Skakel family tutor who began his job the day Moxley was killed; testified May 9 that he was unexpectedly instructed to take Skakel, his siblings and a cousin to a home in upstate New York the day after Moxley's body was found.

Andrea Shakespeare Renna: Friend of Skakel's sister; testified May 9 that Skakel was not among the youths who drove Skakel's cousin to another part of Greenwich the night of the slaying, contradicting Skakel's alibi.

Mary Baker: Ex-wife of Littleton; testified May 13 that Littleton never confessed to killing Moxley, and said she was collaborating with prosecutors when she told Littleton he had confessed during an alcoholic blackout.

Mildred Ix: Skakel neighbor; testified May 15 she was mistaken when she told a grand jury that Skakel made incriminating statements to his father, but said Skakel inquired about taking a test with sodium pentathol, a drug used to help people remember.

Matthew Tucciarone: Hairdresser; testified May 15 that Skakel made an incriminating statement while sitting in his barber's chair in 1975 or 1976.

Lawrence Zicarelli: Former Skakel family driver; testified May 16 that Skakel once said he had done something "very bad" and had to either kill himself or get out of the country.

John Higgins: Former student at the Elan School, a residential substance abuse treatment center Skakel attended; testified May 16 that Skakel confessed to killing Moxley in a tearful conversation at the school.

Gregory Coleman: Former student at Elan. Coleman died last year after using drugs, but his testimony in pretrial hearings was read into the record May 17. Coleman said Skakel once told him, "I'm going to get away with murder, because I'm a Kennedy." Coleman admitted he was high on heroin when he testified before a one-judge grand jury, but stood by his testimony.

Michael Meredith: Former student at Elan, though he did not attend the school with Skakel; testified May 20 that Skakel told him he had climbed a tree outside Moxley's home the night of the murder and masturbated.

Richard Hoffman: Planned to write a book with Skakel about life with the Kennedys. Prosecutors on May 21 played an audiotape of Skakel discussing his attraction to Moxley and his activities the night of the murder.

Defense testimony

James Dowdle: Skakel's cousin; testified May 22 that Skakel was visiting him the night Moxley was killed. Dowdle said Skakel and brothers Rushton and John took a trip with him from the Skakel home to Dowdle's Greenwich estate about 9:30 p.m. Under cross-examination, Dowdle admitted being hazy on specifics.

Rushton Skakel, Jr.: An older brother of Skakel; testified May 22 that while he recalled where Michael was the night Moxley was killed, he had trouble remembering the commotion associated with the slaying the next day or giving statements to investigators.

David Skakel: Younger brother of Skakel; testified May 22 that he recalled hearing a neighbor's dog barking between 9:30 p.m. and 10 p.m. "It was ongoing and incessant," he said. "I would describe it as distressed and prolonged."

Sarah Petersen: Former student at the Elan School; testified May 23 that John Higgins, a former Elan student who testified for the prosecution, had a reputation as a liar.

Michael Wiggins: Former student at Elan; testified May 23 that Higgins had a reputation as a liar; said Higgins often accused students of misconduct which they denied.

Georgeann Skakel Terrien: Dowdle's sister; testified May 23 that Skakel was among those at her house the night Moxley was murdered. On cross-examination, prosecutors noted that she told a grand jury in 1998 that she only heard the voices of her brother and cousins from another room in the house, and could not tell which Skakel children were present.

Dr. Joseph Jachimczyk: Medical expert from Houston hired by the defense; testified May 28 that Moxley died about 10 p.m. on Oct. 30, 1975, a time that conforms with Skakel's alibi. Jachimczyk said he estimated the time of death based on the degree of rigor mortis in Moxley's body, reports of barking dogs in the area, Moxley's curfew, the autopsy report and the contents of Moxley's stomach at the time of death. On cross-examination, he acknowledged the difficulty in estimating time of death, and said his estimate could be off by an hour in either direction.

[mark babitz]

sex scandal spiced testimony at Michael Skakel's trial on charges of killing neighbor Martha Moxley in 1975.

More testimony was scheduled for Friday, but it was the brief appearance Thursday of Marisa Verrochi that brought the Kennedy name into the proceedings.

Verrochi was called by the defense to counter testimony that Skakel, at a party in Boston in 1997, appeared to implicate himself in the Moxley slaying.

The party was at the condominium home of Gerrane Ridge, Verrochi's longtime friend. Ridge testified she overheard Skakel say, in jest, "Ask me why I killed my neighbor."

Verrochi, 24, said, "I don't recall that ever happening."

Skakel, 41, is on trial in Norwalk, Conn., on a charge of bludgeoning Moxley to death on Oct. 30, 1975, when they were 15-year-old neighbors in Greenwich, Conn.

Skakel later was a neighbor to Verrochi and his first cousin Michael Kennedy in Cohasset, Mass. It was at Kennedy's home that Skakel and Verrochi met and became friends when the sex scandal erupted in 1997.

Under cross-examination by state's attorney Jonathan Benedict, Verrochi admitted Skakel came to her aid as she tried to escape a sexual relationship with Michael Kennedy, the sixth of the late U.S. Sen. Robert and Ethel Kennedy's 11 children,.

Verrochi, who often took care of Kennedy's three children, was 14 when the affair with Kennedy started in 1992.

"When you met him you were certainly in the middle of a personal and family mess, and it involved Michael Kennedy?" Benedict asked.

"Yes," she responded.

She again answered yes when Benedict asked her if Skakel "took you under his wing" and "tried to get you help."

This was the first time Verrochi has spoken publicly about the scandal. Skakel's relationship with the Kennedys apparently became strained at this time because he cooperated with authorities investigating possible statutory rape charges against his cousin.

Because Verrochi declined to testify against Kennedy, no charges were filed against him. Kennedy died in a 1997 skiing accident.

Defense attorney Michael Sherman, who said he expects to wrap up his case next week, called three former students who attended the Elan School for troubled teens in Maine with Skakel in the late 1970s.

Two of them, Sarah Petersen and Michael Wiggins, said they never heard Skakel confess to killing Moxley, as some other students have testified.

They said Skakel was repeatedly abused and badgered by Elan director Joseph Ricci, who demanded Skakel confess.

Petersen testified she repeatedly heard Ricci tell Skakel, "You're not getting out of here until you 'fess up."

When Skakel didn't, he was forced to get into a "boxing ring" where he was pummeled by other students, they said.

"He was crying a lot of times, sometimes uncontrollably," Petersen said. "After long hours of torture, he would say, I don't know.' ... After six to eight hours I heard him say, I don't know. I don't know. Maybe I did."'

"When he was asked the question, he said, No, I did not murder Martha Moxley,'" Wiggins said. "He said it, but each time he said it he'd go in the ring and each time he said it Joe would say, Who wants to go in the ring with him?' When Joe stopped putting him in the ring is when Michael said, I don't remember.'

[mark babitz]

I personally don't know the guy,nor ever met him,but I do know Elan and the kind of folks that were there,and that 15 min of fame lasted them the rest of their life's, I think the guy got Fucked and good,who knows what they paid those  { Dope Fiends } to testify,??. Coleman admitted to being fucked up at court,

Mike got fucked, and hard, That poor fuck never say it coming , They needed a fall guy and he was it, I bet the only physical confrontation he ever had in his life was in jail and prison.or Elan. he was a severely pampered ultra rich kid, they don't kill and get physical.They might act out and be goofy, but Flat Out Murder,??? and he was a teen too,?. No question it happened and the murder weapon was true, I find it hard to believe this " kid ", at the time, beat off in a tree and killed the girl, he just beat off too,?? Come on.

And the list of wittnesses to his alledged confession? :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: They were more fucked up than, Mike could have ever been,He was a rich kid who partied too hard, A murderer,??. I think those guys jumped on the band wagon and road him fame.

His counsel was a joke, but why,?? Family had plenty of money, I think he just got the shaft.

[liarsexposed]

Danny
Your time would be better spent doing for others,rather than promoting yourself. You are but a Fraud
show me where I stated Fornits was being shut down and I had something to do with this ? And if you sent this personal email to psy,how is it Sharon got it and posted it here ?
You are gonna have to learn to be a better liar if you are going to run in these circles Danny.
I never had you as a friend,nor was I ever interested in your friendship,as the cost is just to high.
I am sorry that you are SO sick that you have to post here 200 times a day. Tho I understand the affliction. I have to think your time could be better spent helping real people,who want help.. Rather than forcing it down someone's throat (like you do in every thread)
I really do wish you owell. But I really wish you'd shut the fuck up,as I am sure dozens of others will agree with. You have quite the fan base here @ fornits. Where else can you get this kind of attention and not have to pay for it
You live for betrayal,and eat it up with sugar. Even if you are lying,its still always about you. Did Psy give you a cookie for your most recent lies ?
How about another Screen Name LOL

[liarsexposed]

And the list of wittnesses to his alledged confession?        They were more fucked up than, Mike could have ever been,He was a rich kid who partied too hard, A murderer,??. I think those guys jumped on the band wagon and road him fame.

His counsel was a joke, but why,?? Family had plenty of money, I think he just got the shaft.
 
Mike hired a PI to "clear" his name,when he should've just left it alone. He wouldnt have gone thru what he did. M Sherman had all the wrong witnesses to defend Mike. Joe Ricci and Co did him more damage than good,in several testimonies. They detracted from the facts by representing Elan and its horrific lifelong record of abuse. The pole of public opinion won over the facts,and the law.
The bandwagon was Higgins and the late Greg Coleman. All this for 50k I think. Split 2 ways.
Thats what this was about from the start. Thats how it ended. Justice wasnt served and a killer still walks amoung us,while Mike sits in a Ct Jail cell.
If anyone has any interest I have Mike's address. I am sure he would appreciate a letter

[DannyB II]

Danny
Your time would be better spent doing for others,rather than promoting yourself. You are but a Fraud
show me where I stated Fornits was being shut down and I had something to do with this ? And if you sent this personal email to psy,how is it Sharon got it and posted it here ?
You are gonna have to learn to be a better liar if you are going to run in these circles Danny.
I never had you as a friend,nor was I ever interested in your friendship,as the cost is just to high.
I am sorry that you are SO sick that you have to post here 200 times a day. Tho I understand the affliction. I have to think your time could be better spent helping real people,who want help.. Rather than forcing it down someone's throat (like you do in every thread)
I really do wish you owell. But I really wish you'd shut the fuck up,as I am sure dozens of others will agree with. You have quite the fan base here @ fornits. Where else can you get this kind of attention and not have to pay for it
You live for betrayal,and eat it up with sugar. Even if you are lying,its still always about you. Did Psy give you a cookie for your most recent lies ?
How about another Screen Name LOL

Well Jee, Arty, maybe Psy sent it on to her so she could inform you of the consequences of your stupid actions. Listen I have to go now but please stay in touch with me. I am very interested in your life and how things are going for you. I know you have this penchant for calling me names and trying to reject me but we both know how you adore me. We are friends Arty, this is just how we do it. I am baffled that you don't recognized this as a great relationship, I was under the impression all your friendships are like this.
Is everyone a liar in your life??

[DannyB II]

And the list of wittnesses to his alledged confession?        They were more fucked up than, Mike could have ever been,He was a rich kid who partied too hard, A murderer,??. I think those guys jumped on the band wagon and road him fame.

His counsel was a joke, but why,?? Family had plenty of money, I think he just got the shaft.
 
Mike hired a PI to "clear" his name,when he should've just left it alone. He wouldnt have gone thru what he did. M Sherman had all the wrong witnesses to defend Mike. Joe Ricci and Co did him more damage than good,in several testimonies. They detracted from the facts by representing Elan and its horrific lifelong record of abuse. The pole of public opinion won over the facts,and the law.
The bandwagon was Higgins and the late Greg Coleman. All this for 50k I think. Split 2 ways.
Thats what this was about from the start. Thats how it ended. Justice wasnt served and a killer still walks amoung us,while Mike sits in a Ct Jail cell.
If anyone has any interest I have Mike's address. I am sure he would appreciate a letter

I am sorry to inform you Art, John Higgins never actually got any money. His conscious got the best of him and he refused to accept any money. As for Coleman, well we know about him. I was offered a great deal of money on two occasions, I could have refuted Joe's admission of no knowledge and my admission session with Michael. I refused, not because I am this great guy (even though I am) but because I kept thinking about Martha'a Mom and what would she want right now. Mrs Moxely just wanted the truth.
I know Mark and yourself want to think that a rich kid like Mike could never do anything like murder but guys this does not make any sense. Having psychotic thoughts does not factor in socio-economics into the equation, Mike being rich has nothing to do with whether he killed Martha or not. As a matter of fact the emotional and mental ills Mike and his brother Tom were dealing with at the time made them prime candidates for this tragedy.
Please go google what Mike was dealing with personally in 1975 and prior, his family life was a mess, plus mix in drugs and alcohol and you have a time bomb waiting to go off.
Many kids that came to Elan were there for actions committed under the influence of drugs/alcohol and emotional/mental duress. We had kids that had done some very bad things under those circumstances, take away the drugs/alcuhol and the duress they are fine.
Art we don't have to like one another to have a honest good hearted debate, Mark and I do it all the time, right Mark.  :rofl:

[mark babitz]

I have a hard time forming an opinion Danny, I have seen both sides rich and poor and your right, the money isn't rally a factor but, it kind of is, in the respect to that, in the early 70s I think there were more family values and people thought a little different and so did kids. I was one of those wild kids from the suburbs of Chicago, grew up in Skokie and went to high school in Winnetka when we moved there.And I did allot of bad things,I fought stole cars etc. But killing someone,??

I do remember in Skokie An Andria Sacks was murdered and I think one more by Wilmette at Westmorland Country Club in the early 70s but that was it, Hard core violence wasn't real prevalent. So to think that these Kids at the time, in far more affluent atmosphere, could conjure up murder, is a bit far fetched, but I don't know,??

The Kennedy's have a long history of misfortune and bad luck, and no he is not the first one in the family to have murder charges on their door step.

Let not forget Ted.


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Chappaquiddick......TED KENNEDY...how did he get away with murder?
This site contains extensive coverage of the circumstances surrounding the infamous accident at Chappaquiddick
July 19, 1969


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"Do we operate under a system of equal justice under law?
Or is there one system for the average citizen
and another for the high and mighty?"
- Senator Ted Kennedy, 1973 -
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View the Photos and Evidence from the Accident
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Was Senator Kennedy drunk when he drove off the
Dike Bridge in Chappaquiddick?
Read the statements and testimony of those who spent the day with him

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Learn the disturbing truth about the accident at
Chappaquiddick

Mary Jo Kopechne - See Police diver John Farrar's testimony suggesting that Mary Jo Kopechne survived for as long as two hours in the submerged automobile by breathing a pocket of trapped air.

- Learn how Senator Kennedy spent the nine hours after the accident attempting to cover-up his involvement, while Mary Jo Kopechne was left to die in his submerged automobile.



- Read the scenario developed by Detective Bernie Flynn, one of the officers who investigated the accident

- View Senator Kennedy's history of traffic violations.

- Learn why George Killen , the State Police Detective-Lieutenant who investigated the accident, said that Senator Kennedy "killed that girl the same as if he put a gun to her head and pulled the trigger."

The "Chappaquiddick incident" refers to the death of Mary Jo Kopechne, a former campaign worker for the assassinated U.S. Senator Robert F. Kennedy of New York.

In July of 1969, Kopechne's dead body was discovered inside an overturned car belonging to Senator Ted Kennedy under water in a tidal channel on Chappaquiddick Island.

The incident became a national scandal, and it may have affected the Senator's decision not to run for President in 1972.

Contents [hide]
1 Background
2 Events of the night of July 18, 1969
3 Discovery of the body
4 Subsequent events
4.1 Kennedy's initial statement
4.2 Court proceedings
4.3 Kennedy's televised statement
4.4 Autopsy
4.5 Inquest
4.6 Grand Jury
4.7 Fatal Accident Hearing
5 Significance and legacy
6 References
7 Bibliography
7.1 Further reading



[edit] Background
On July 18, 1969, Ted Kennedy attended a party on Chappaquiddick, a small island adjoining Martha's Vineyard and connected to it via a ferry. The party was a reunion for a group of six women, including Kopechne, known as the "boiler-room girls",[1] who had served in his brother Robert's 1968 presidential campaign. Also present were Joseph Gargan (Ted Kennedy's cousin), Paul Markham (a school friend of Gargan's who would become United States Attorney for Massachusetts under the patronage of the Kennedys)[2], Charles Tretter (an attorney), and John Crimmins (Ted Kennedy's part-time driver). Kennedy was also competing in the Edgartown Yacht Club Regatta, a sailing competition which was taking place over several days.[1]


[edit] Events of the night of July 18, 1969
According to his own testimony at the inquest into Kopechne's death, Kennedy left the party at "approximately 11:15 p.m." When he announced that he was about to leave, Kopechne indicated "that she was desirous of leaving, if I would be kind enough to drop her back at her hotel". Kennedy then requested the keys to his car from his chauffeur, Crimmins. Asked why he did not have his chauffeur drive them both, Kennedy explained that Crimmins along with some other partygoers "were concluding their meal, enjoying the fellowship and it didn't appear to me necessary to require him to bring me back to Edgartown".[3]

Christopher "Huck" Look was a deputy sheriff working as a special police officer at the Edgartown regatta dance that night. At 12:30 am he left the dance, crossed over to Chappaquiddick in the yacht club's launch, got into his parked car and drove home. He testified that between 12:30 and 12:45 am he had seen a dark car containing a man driving and a woman in the front seat approaching the intersection with Dike Road. The car had gone first onto the private Cemetery Road and stopped there. Thinking that the occupants of the car might be lost, Look had gotten out of his car and walked towards it. When he was 25 to 30 feet away, the car started backing up towards him. When Look called out to offer his help, the car took off down Dike Road in a cloud of dust.[4] Look recalled that the car's license plate began with a "L" and contained the number "7", both details true of Kennedy's 1967 Oldsmobile Delmont 88..


The Dike Bridge, pictured here in 2008 with guardrail.According to his inquest testimony, Kennedy made a wrong turn onto Dike Road,



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But still I take question on the witnesses and their motivations, Elan was straight peer pressure, and allot of it, so I wonder how much sincerity and soul searching was really their.I still think there was allot of embellishment and Fame chasing. I would believe money was offered for travel expenses or what ever,I believe they were all money motivated. Non of them were really worth shit to anyone but the prosecutors,They kept the wind in Higgins and Coleman's and the rest of them's sails.

Without Mike, non of them meant anything, he gave them importance and purpose, notoriety etc,He mad them stars of sorts.How does any one know if the Moxley family didn't show some gratitude,?? I know I would feel obliged to help someone who just help me, especially in something like my child murder. So there is allot to ponder and a long history to look at, but I just don't believe the boy did it. I think he just got caught up in the wrong place at the wrong time and took the weight.

As far as Elan credibility ,,, :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  ::puke::  ::puke::  ::puke::

Who would believe Joe Ricci and his Disciple's, that really knew them,?? The jury didn't and thats why Mike lost. No one would believe a drug abusing dope fiend like Joe Ricci, I wonder if him and Coleman met up before trial and got fucked up,?? Both admitted to using drugs Colman then and Ricci later on admitted drug use in his life still.So them and their band of marry snitches, sure weren't too credible. Not to say Mike was a Prince, But a murder,??? They got caught up in that Joe Ricci adrenalin, and charged for the wall, and once so far in they couldnt turn back, or face the fate of Mike, . Perjury in a capital case is big time,and anyone of them knew the consequences of backing out. So they all had gun to their heads to stick to the story.


2005 Connecticut Code - Sec. 53a-156. Perjury: Class D felony.
     Connecticut 2005 Code   All US State Codes
      Sec. 53a-156. Perjury: Class D felony. (a) A person is guilty of perjury if, in any official proceeding, he intentionally, under oath, makes a false statement, swears, affirms or testifies falsely, to a material statement which he does not believe to be true.

      (b) Perjury is a class D felony.

      (1969, P.A. 828, S. 158.)

      Cited. 175 C. 279. 291. Cited. 189 C. 92, 93. Cited. 200 C. 243, 251. One-witness-plus-corroboration rule discussed. 204 C. 472, 479, 480.

      Cited. 4 CA 359, 360. Cited. 5 CA 552. Cited. 17 CA 395, 396.

      Subsec. (a):

      Cited. 193 C. 474, 497. Cited. 204 C. 472, 473.

      Cited. 5 CA 552. Cited. 10 CA 605, 606.

      Subsec. (b):

      Cited. 9 CA 686, 72


      Sec. 53a-161c. Receiving kickbacks: Class D felony. (a) A person is guilty of receiving kickbacks when he: (1) By force, intimidation or threat of procuring dismissal from employment induces any person who is employed in the construction, completion or repair of any public building, public work, or building or work financed in whole or in part by loans or grants from the state, or who has a contract with the state, to give up any part of the compensation to which he is entitled; (2) knowingly solicits, accepts or agrees to accept any benefit, in cash or in kind, from another person upon an agreement or understanding that such benefit will influence such person's conduct in relation to referring an individual or arranging for the referral of an individual for the furnishing of any goods, facilities or services to such other person under contract to provide goods, facilities or services to a local, state or federal agency; or (3) by force, intimidation or threat, such person induces another person who has a contract with the state to give up any part of the compensation to which such other person is entitled. For the purposes of this section and section 53a-161d, "refer" means to send, direct or recommend and "referral" means the act of sending, directing or recommending. For purposes of this subsection, "benefit" shall not include forms of remuneration listed in 42 CFR Section 1001.952.

      (b) Receiving kickbacks is a class D felony.

      (P.A. 80-290; P.A. 96-169, S. 11.)

      History: P.A. 96-169 substituted "when he: (1) By" for "whenever he by", added Subdivs. (2) and (3) and added definitions of "refer", "referral" and "benefit".



So who know's,??? In a case like this, they could all of went to jail for fabricating a story like that,no question. And I know Elan and their ways, so to believe they overstepped this one is not hard to believe. They lived for pressing the limits folks, Remember,Elan,? Joe Ricci craved the spot light, good or bad, he took everyone to court for anything, and spent allot of time being taken to court, Joe was the poster child for Drama King and Queen. Joe just loved this whole thing and I think we all know it. Unfortunately Mike was the price of the show and stardom. I hope he get's out and gets his life back, somewhat..And can move past this, Fucked Up Joke Elan pulled on him that got, way out of hand. :rocker:  :rocker: