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[mark babitz]

I wonder if Pan Face or Gottlieb, and the crew would ever do this.?? But those folks at Straight play hard ball with their tormentors. And don't let up, It's quite educational to watch how the Survivor's really brought the game to Straight's and stuck it in Mal Semblers ass. I wish the Elan folks as a group could do the same, drop all of our own little wars, and attack the real enemy,. I only use Straight Survivors as an example ,because they ran and run a no holds bared attack, and truly stand up as a group, against Sembler and his Mob. Look at some of their video's, they are as bad as Channel 5 News, they get right in the thick of it and don't back down, Amen to all of them.


http://www.nunya.com/index.php/2009/01/ ... survivors/

http://ficanetwork.net/straight/apology/

You've got that right we who endured Straight play hard ball and refuse to submit..

Thank you Mark for your post.

Pan Face, and them have never had the pressure applied like you folks were able to do. And Elan folks can do it, We just have to pool all of our resources around the country. And stand strong like you guy's, I am so glad that you folks stood up to show others it can be done. They all need to read about Mel Sembler the "Mall God'  He owns more strip malls than anyone in the U.S.A. and his great political influences with his ambassador ships, and he fell and was defeated by Striaght Survivors, No one is bullet proof. :cheers:  :cheers:  :cheers:

[mark babitz]

I wonder if Pan Face or Gottlieb, and the crew would ever do this.?? But those folks at Straight play hard ball with their tormentors. And don't let up, It's quite educational to watch how the Survivor's really brought the game to Straight's and stuck it in Mal Semblers ass. I wish the Elan folks as a group could do the same, drop all of our own little wars, and attack the real enemy,. I only use Straight Survivors as an example ,because they ran and run a no holds bared attack, and truly stand up as a group, against Sembler and his Mob. Look at some of their video's, they are as bad as Channel 5 News, they get right in the thick of it and don't back down, Amen to all of them.


http://www.nunya.com/index.php/2009/01/ ... survivors/

http://ficanetwork.net/straight/apology/

You've got that right we who endured Straight play hard ball and refuse to submit..

Thank you Mark for your post.

For years after getting out Newton still scared the hell out of me, especially because I lived close to him.  Then when my dear friends RTP, Kpickle and others and I went to "confront" him, I realized he's nothing more than a wanna-be guru and total control freak.  When we were in Straight, we couldn't speak our minds and wouldn't dare (at least I wouldn't...too scared) to even question what was being done to us. When I saw him later, out here in the real world he showed himself for what he truly is....a malignant narcissist (even his neighbors see this and they had no idea of his past) and it drove him absolutely NUTS that he couldn't call the shots or shut me up.  He couldn't slam us to the ground for speaking like he did when we were 'inside'.  It was one of the single most healing things I've ever done.  For so long I saw him as the boogey man but in real life, he's just a pussy that hides behind either his Straight director status or now, the cloak of religion.  

It may be time for another visit.   :seg2:

He's a sad, pathetic shell of a man now.

Great Idea, :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:  :rocker:

[DannyB II]

Guys have some info for ya.
 
Got a call from a resident from 30 years ago today. Actually at lunch time. She pick my phone # off the Elan Alum Site.
We chit chatted a bit found out she arrived around Sept of 1977 and stayed until 1979. She is from Chicago and I do not have permission to say who she is.

Anyway she went on to tell me she had a conversation with Jeffery Gottlieb last Wenesday 8/25/10. In the course of this conversation Jeffery explained to her that Elan had been reduced to one house E-3 and that only 41 students resided there. That by late spring of next year after Graduation, that Elan would be closing down. She went on to say that Jeffery was retiring after next year, that there was nothing more to do. Sharon no longer really wanted to keep Elan open, that the building E-3 showed the affects of being neglected, all the houses other then E-3 had been sold off with the land.

Folks I have called others to verify this and it looks at this point to be valid info.
 
Man, I say bravo to the folks who have worked their asses off to see this day, many folks behind the scenes pushed and badgered many employees to stop the madness, most listened and moved on while others did not.
Why, no one I knew ever reported abuse or brought lawsuits against Elan, I am sad to say, "I just don't know". I don't have a answer why I sat around waiting for so many years and did nothing, I can not blame others.

This is great news. Who couldnt celebrate on the day these criminals close their doors ?
Fact is,its been said this day has been coming. I am not suprised,in fact Ive been expecting it. Thanks for reporting this Danny
Now you can go back to seeking your attention in the 50-75 threads a day that you neeed to be the center of attention in,hated,and acting out. I have never met someone as needy as you Danny. So needy,that you will trash the traditions of a 12 step program that you claim saved your life. Not only are you disrespectful of others,and their opinions. But you consistantly see that AA gets trashed as well. I find you offensive and foul.
You may spin this any way you want. But you sound anything but grateful. B Wilson is rolling over in his grave

Art,
I don't say much to you because there really is not much to say. I must say though it is quite catch to nap BP as your running buddy. Both of you are definitely, "poster children" for your respective programs. Straight and Elan did there work on you two, well, be proud to my sons.
Art I have no spin in my dance steps, I just come right at you and tell the truth. Just like I said about Harry Kranick, dumbass, I told you I knew him and he came on here and validated this.
Now to your comments about AA, Art as a fellow member you should know and understand that whatever keeps me sane and sober may not do the same for you. Stop, passing judgment on me. You really have no excuse for doing this anyway.
Stay healthy my friend and enjoy the boat.

[Botched Programming]

Art,
I don't say much to you because there really is not much to say. I must say though it is quite catch to nap BP as your running buddy. Both of you are definitely, "poster children" for your respective programs. Straight and Elan did there work on you two, well, be proud to my sons.
Art I have no spin in my dance steps, I just come right at you and tell the truth. Just like I said about Harry Kranick, dumbass, I told you I knew him and he came on here and validated this.
Now to your comments about AA, Art as a fellow member you should know and understand that whatever keeps me sane and sober may not do the same for you. Stop, passing judgment on me. You really have no excuse for doing this anyway.
Stay healthy my friend and enjoy the boat.

(1) Depends on what you perceive to be truth.
(2) Don't know if I would call you sane, and if sober acting like a dry drunk coming into his favorite bar here wiping the dust off of his seat.

PS you are a very angry man... if that is recovery / sobriety, I do not want it.

Peace and much healing.
 :peace:

[DannyB II]

Art,
I don't say much to you because there really is not much to say. I must say though it is quite catch to nap BP as your running buddy. Both of you are definitely, "poster children" for your respective programs. Straight and Elan did there work on you two, well, be proud to my sons.
Art I have no spin in my dance steps, I just come right at you and tell the truth. Just like I said about Harry Kranick, dumbass, I told you I knew him and he came on here and validated this.
Now to your comments about AA, Art as a fellow member you should know and understand that whatever keeps me sane and sober may not do the same for you. Stop, passing judgment on me. You really have no excuse for doing this anyway.
Stay healthy my friend and enjoy the boat.

(1) Depends on what you perceive to be truth.
(2) Don't know if I would call you sane, and if sober acting like a dry drunk coming into his favorite bar here wiping the dust off of his seat.

PS you are a very angry man... if that is recovery / sobriety, I do not want it.

Peace and much healing.
 :peace:

BP,
I have tried to be polite to you here, every time we have done this you have responded with more of your "wacky" personality. Listen what you have had to say to me has already been said, please move on.
Go bother someone else, you are beginning to resemble Art.

[Botched Programming]

Art,
I don't say much to you because there really is not much to say. I must say though it is quite catch to nap BP as your running buddy. Both of you are definitely, "poster children" for your respective programs. Straight and Elan did there work on you two, well, be proud to my sons.
Art I have no spin in my dance steps, I just come right at you and tell the truth. Just like I said about Harry Kranick, dumbass, I told you I knew him and he came on here and validated this.
Now to your comments about AA, Art as a fellow member you should know and understand that whatever keeps me sane and sober may not do the same for you. Stop, passing judgment on me. You really have no excuse for doing this anyway.
Stay healthy my friend and enjoy the boat.

(1) Depends on what you perceive to be truth.
(2) Don't know if I would call you sane, and if sober acting like a dry drunk coming into his favorite bar here wiping the dust off of his seat.

PS you are a very angry man... if that is recovery / sobriety, I do not want it.

Peace and much healing.
 :peace:

BP,
I have tried to be polite to you here, every time we have done this you have responded with more of your "wacky" personality. Listen what you have had to say to me has already been said, please move on.
Go bother someone else, you are beginning to resemble Art.

Danny ... If one person calls it a duck... it may be a duck ... but if multiple people call it a duck, then you dang sure should believe it's a duck. My only advice is for you to call your sponsor, let him look at some of your writings on this forum and see what he has to say.

Peace and much healing
 :peace:

[Anne Bonney]

I just come right at you and tell the truth.

The truth as you see it.   Just as we are.



 

Just like I said about Harry Kranick, dumbass, I told you I knew him and he came on here and validated this.
Now to your comments about AA, Art as a fellow member you should know and understand that whatever keeps me sane and sober may not do the same for you. Stop, passing judgment on me. You really have no excuse for doing this anyway.
Stay healthy my friend and enjoy the boat.

Wow...you just don't like anyone who disagrees with anything you say.

[DannyB II]

I just come right at you and tell the truth.

The truth as you see it.   Just as we are.



 

Just like I said about Harry Kranick, dumbass, I told you I knew him and he came on here and validated this.
Now to your comments about AA, Art as a fellow member you should know and understand that whatever keeps me sane and sober may not do the same for you. Stop, passing judgment on me. You really have no excuse for doing this anyway.
Stay healthy my friend and enjoy the boat.

Wow...you just don't like anyone who disagrees with anything you say.

Anne, we should just talk in PM's are problems do not belong in the open. It became personal months ago.

[liarsexposed]

Danny
You poor bastard.. and I mean that in the nicest way
You know Danny. I started to respond to your nonsense when it occured to me. This is why you do these things... For a response.
a) You have broken several of the AA traditions and I would lik eyou to stop.. For the good of AA
b) Seek help from a professional
c) Leave this forum and find a better way to be sane and sober that does not disrespect those you banter and lie to,nor the program you claim saved you
If this is Danny,better... You must have been a real wreck when you arrived. I have seen nothing that shows you sane and sober in all of rantings and postings
Harry is a close personal friend. Been to my home,knows my family.. Thinks you are an idiot like the rest of us
Bad example

[Eliscu2]

:eek:

[psy,]

Art,
I don't say much to you because there really is not much to say. I must say though it is quite catch to nap BP as your running buddy. Both of you are definitely, "poster children" for your respective programs. Straight and Elan did there work on you two, well, be proud to my sons.
Art I have no spin in my dance steps, I just come right at you and tell the truth. Just like I said about Harry Kranick, dumbass, I told you I knew him and he came on here and validated this.
Now to your comments about AA, Art as a fellow member you should know and understand that whatever keeps me sane and sober may not do the same for you. Stop, passing judgment on me. You really have no excuse for doing this anyway.
Stay healthy my friend and enjoy the boat.

(1) Depends on what you perceive to be truth.
(2) Don't know if I would call you sane, and if sober acting like a dry drunk coming into his favorite bar here wiping the dust off of his seat.

PS you are a very angry man... if that is recovery / sobriety, I do not want it.

Peace and much healing.
 :peace:

OY...I AM POPPING A XANAX, BLASTING THE SLAYER AND BLOWING THIS DAY RIGHT OFF.......HAVE FUN!

Felice your a nut go away you scare people. http://www.myspace.com/eliscu   you can't be for real. You look like your filming a documentary for the insane and guess who they are filming ??


http://www.mindfreedom.org/kb/mental-he ... ice-eliscu  You are a nut job girl.!!!

Pop," Felice Eliscu " in and read away it is public info and she is in trouble more than out of it. ::OMG::  ::OMG::

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=w ... _8R3m9IiuQ


" Felice " spends allot of time under the watchful eyes of the Courts and Doctors

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Filing Date
County Name
Case Status
Name
Date of Birth
Caption
2010TR000308
03-02-2010
Lafayette
Closed
Eliscu, Felice D
11-1965
State of Wisconsin vs. Felice D Eliscu
2010SC000602
08-18-2010
Grant
Open
Eliscu, Felice
-
Lanridge Apartments vs. Felice Eliscu
2010CM000276
08-12-2010
Grant
Filed Only
Eliscu, Felice D.
11-20-1965
State of Wisconsin vs. Felice D. Eliscu
2008CF000198
11-10-2008
Grant
Closed
Eliscu, Felice D.
11-20-1965
State of Wisconsin vs. Felice D. Eliscu
2003CM000415
02-20-2003
Racine
Closed
Eliscu, Felice D
11-20-1965
State of Wisconsin vs. Felice D Eliscu
2003CM000192
06-04-2003
Grant
Closed
Eliscu, Felice D.
11-20-1965
State of Wisconsin vs. Felice D. Eliscu
2003CM000021
01-22-2003
Grant
Closed
Eliscu, Felice D.
11-20-1965
State of Wisconsin vs. Felice D. Eliscu
2003CF000108
08-25-2003
Iowa
Closed
Eliscu, Felice D.
11-20-1965
State of Wisconsin vs. Felice D. Eliscu
2002CV000075
05-08-2002
Iowa
Closed
Eliscu, Felice Debra
11-1965
Felice Debra Eliscu vs. Monja Anderson
2002CV000034
03-14-2002
Iowa
Closed
Eliscu, Felice Debra
11-1965
Felice D. Eliscu vs. John R. Streeter
2001SC000433
12-18-2001
Iowa
Closed
Eliscu, Felice
-
DAK Management Co Inc vs. Felice Eliscu
2001CV000033
02-22-2001
Iowa
Closed
Eliscu, Felice Debra
-
Felice D. Eliscu vs. Monja Anderson et al
2001CV000021
02-12-2001
Iowa
Closed
Eliscu, Felice
-
Monja Anderson vs Felice Eliscu
2001CV000015
01-31-2001
Iowa
Closed
Eliscu, Felice Debra
-
Felice Debra Eliscu vs Avery Eliscu
2001CM000412
11-29-2001
Iowa
Closed
Eliscu, Felice D
11-20-1965
State of Wisconsin vs. Felice D Eliscu
2001CM000045
04-03-2001
Iowa
Closed
Eliscu, Felice D.
11-20-1965
State of Wisconsin vs. Felice D. Eliscu
2001CF000114
12-27-2001
Iowa
Closed
Eliscu, Felice D.
11-20-1965
State of Wisconsin vs. Felice D. Eliscu
2001CF000105
11-27-2001
Iowa
Closed
Eliscu, Felice D
11-20-1965
State of Wisconsin vs. Felice D Eliscu
2000FA000091
10-11-2000
Iowa
Closed
Eliscu, Felice
-
County of Iowa vs Felice Eliscu
2000CV000148
11-20-2000
Iowa
Closed
Eliscu, Felice
-
Eva Eliscu vs Felice Eliscu
2000CM000292
12-11-2000
Iowa
Closed
Eliscu, Felice D.
11-20-1965
State of Wisconsin vs. Felice D. Eliscu
1998FA000079
08-31-1998
Iowa
Closed
Eliscu, Felice D.
11-1965
Felice D. Eliscu vs Michael T. Monelli

[psy,]

I just come right at you and tell the truth.

The truth as you see it.   Just as we are.



 

Just like I said about Harry Kranick, dumbass, I told you I knew him and he came on here and validated this.
Now to your comments about AA, Art as a fellow member you should know and understand that whatever keeps me sane and sober may not do the same for you. Stop, passing judgment on me. You really have no excuse for doing this anyway.
Stay healthy my friend and enjoy the boat.

Wow...you just don't like anyone who disagrees with anything you say.

Anne, we should just talk in PM's are problems do not belong in the open. It became personal months ago.

Hey Danny a song and video your in.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtMy5IBm ... re=related  :cheers:  :cheers:

[The Elan Reporter]

Well now that the cat is out of the bag and the closing of elan is imiment when comes Spring 2011. I would like to thank everyone who has participated in exposing the dark side of what occured at elan over the decades. It was an unforseen threat, that simply did not ever occur to Sharon and that is the power of the internet, and the voices that spoke out. It's been a long ride, and a very decieving one from yours truly. I plan on opening the doors to my own teen treatment center next Summer and will continue the tradition of a Theraputic community.

Happy hi yuh yuh!

Marty.

[Botched Programming]

Well now that the cat is out of the bag and the closing of elan is imiment when comes Spring 2011. I would like to thank everyone who has participated in exposing the dark side of what occured at elan over the decades. It was an unforseen threat, that simply did not ever occur to Sharon and that is the power of the internet, and the voices that spoke out. It's been a long ride, and a very decieving one from yours truly. I plan on opening the doors to my own teen treatment center next Summer and will continue the tradition of a Theraputic community.Happy hi yuh yuh!

Marty.

You Bastard... That was supposed to remain confidential for the time being... You are making it hard to be a silent partner !!!!

 ::OMG::

[The Elan Reporter]

Me suh sorry Botched, me suh is so excited that the Terry Witch's elan is going out of business and me suh stole lots of the white mans money from over charging sundries hi yuh yuh yuh. Me suh now can purchase a white man made structure and legally turn it into a theraputic hi yuh yuh yuh treatment camp so me suh can continue abusing the white mans children, hi yuh yuh yuh. Me suh will also be chief of this institutions meaning, me suh can have daily boxing rings at will and make teens where signs around necks, hi yuh yuh yuh! Me suh must go suck a dick now, me suh is feeling sorta excited, hi yuh yuh yuh.