AARC suing CL?

[Whooter]

Leave Ajax alone.  When you have been told what to do and when to talk and who to talk to for years on end it is not easy to confront authority directly and sometimes it doesn’t matter if the person we are talking to is listening.  It just feels good to pretend we are and getting it off our chests is more important than who we are talking to.  So back the fuck off and let him post.

There are lots of people who do not like to confront people or problems head on.  There are people where I work who run down to the boiler room, close the door and scream their heads off and then quietly go back to their office and they feel better.
This is what I think posters like Ajax use fornits for.  It doesn’t matter if the person you are talking to reads your message, what matters is that you get out your frustration.
Thats whats going on here.

[Whooter]

First of all Ajax isn’t a survivor.  He works hard trying to expose AARC as the abusive cult it is, for a friend.  But there are people who do better fighting their fight on the internet and Ajax is one of these people.  People like Vause and Reuben are very confident, dynamic, educated people and speak well in public settings and audiences.  They are able to defend themselves very well verbally.  Someone like Ajax would never have a chance against them and probably got a taste of this early on in his fight and that is why he prefers the keyboard because he doesn’t have to speak directly to anyone or make eye contact which can be intimidating to some.  Who knows maybe Vause or Reuben will show up someday and read Ajax's posts.  This is what he hopes for and what keeps him posting here, not just screaming into an empty room.

[Anonymous]

 People like Vause and Reuben are very confident, dynamic, educated people and speak well in public settings and audiences.

Vause' education doesn't hold up under scrutiny.

[Troll Control]

I read this part:

Cool, let's talk about your extensive criminal record.  Personally, I wouldn't take advice from a criminal like you and I don't think anyone else would either.  You're a fraud.  You don't disclose your criminal record and act like you are the most moral of the people here, but now we know you're nothing but a reprobate.  Tell us about your arrest for inappropriate sexual contact with a minor.  Discuss.

Don't forget he's a common criminal as well:

I was arrested several times in Boston...

Funny, so was John Reuben.  He was arrested several times in Boston as well.  On the same dates TheWho was arrested.  Coincidence?  Hardly.

Anyway, why would any parent entrust their child's welfare to John Reuben, an admitted criminal with an extensive arrest record including public intoxication and destruction of property, who openly refers to the most abusive family of programs, Aspen Education, who had half of their programs in Oregon forcibly shut down by state investigators for murdering, abusing and neglecting children in their care, including sexualized humiliation by forcing little girls to give lap dances to and perform simulated felatio on their unlicensed, uneducated couselors?

Think about this, parents, before you make the biggest mistake of your and your kid's life.

Let's hear your explanation about why you attack everyone else's credibility when you are a convicted criminal.  Why do you have an FBI number?  Are you a spousal abuser, child molester or convicted felon?  Why are you barred from owning a firearm, Whooter?  My wife does the NCICS checks for handgun permits at the county sheriff's office and guess "who"se name comes right up as "restricted"?  Please explain to the readers why you are concealing your extensive criminal record, Whooter.

[Whooter]

Why are you barred from owning a firearm, Whooter? My wife does the NCICS checks for handgun permits at the county sheriff's office and guess "who"se name comes right up as "restricted"? Please explain to the readers why you are concealing your extensive criminal record, Whooter.

Ha,Ha,Ha so your wife plugged in the name Whooter and comes up with information?  Dont you realize this is just a log in name?  My name isnt really Whooter.  I use to go by the name of "Thewho" and psy, I think, nicknamed me whooter which stuck for most people so this is what I go by now.  But you cant do an FBI check on me lol.
Thats funny!

[psy]

psy, I think, nicknamed me whooter which stuck for most people so this is what I go by now.

Actually, I believe it was Disfunction Junction who came up with that name, after "Scooter Libby".

[Anonymous]

No, she ran the name "John David Reuben" and came back with an exctensive arrest record beginning with petty crimes in Boston in the 1970's and one in Michigan, just like Whooter admitted to on this forum.  So now we're supposed to believe, along with all of the other evidence that Whooter is Reuben, that their arrest records are identical by coincidence?  Sorry, Whooter, but we all know who you are and this is just more proof.  You're a low-life criminal and everyone should be aware of that.

[Whooter]

No, she ran the name "John David Reuben" and came back with an exctensive arrest record beginning with petty crimes in Boston in the 1970's and one in Michigan, just like Whooter admitted to on this forum.  So now we're supposed to believe, along with all of the other evidence that Whooter is Reuben, that their arrest records are identical by coincidence?  Sorry, Whooter, but we all know who you are and this is just more proof.  You're a low-life criminal and everyone should be aware of that.

Oh No! I have an FBI record!  What should I do?  Now everyone thinks I am this guy Reuben. If I get fired will this give me more time to post?  or will I have to go job hunting.  Wait I am so confused,  I thought I was employed by Aspen?  At least that is what everyone was saying here on fornits.  I am suppose to be a shill.  Have I gone from a shill to a low life criminal?  Is there a program for someone suffering with identity issues?

[Troll Control]

I think it has been pretty well documented that you are Reuben.  You share the same criminal record, you both shill for Aspen, you both had a son die after attending SUWS and ASR, you both had a son at HLA, you both took a trip to Chicago to meet with Lon Woodbury, Martha Kolbe and a host of other industry bogeymen just before STICC was launched.  Really, you're not fooling anyone.

The criminal record just cemented the facts.  What are the odds that two people share the same arrest record in two separate states for the same crimes at the same time?

Why don't you just explain to the readers how you and Reuben share so many similarities including an identical arrest record that you already admitted to here?

[Whooter]

I think it has been pretty well documented that you are Reuben.

Well, okay lets go over that


 

You share the same criminal record

Hmmm,  I was was arrested when I was in College for protesting.  Never owned a gun or have been arrested since.

you both shill for Aspen

Never been paid for this although I have openly support a few of their programs so I can see how that can be percieved.

you both had a son die after attending SUWS and ASR, you both had a son at HLA

I had a daughter who attended ASR and SUWS.  She is alive and doing well.  I never had a son in a program.

you both took a trip to Chicago to meet with Lon Woodbury, Martha Kolbe and a host of other industry bogeymen just before STICC was launched.

You say both?  You could probably document this Reuben guy as being there, but how do you place me there?  You say you have documented evidence.  Evidence would mean I was posting from Chicago at the same time this meeting took place.  That may raise some eyebrows I would say.  But you see you dont have that evidence because I wasnt there.  

 

Really, you're not fooling anyone.

Apparently someone is fooling you

The criminal record just cemented the facts.  What are the odds that two people share the same arrest record in two separate states for the same crimes at the same time?

How could you possibly have reviewed my arrest record and compared it to Reubens.  You dont even have my name?  What 2 records are you comparing

Why don't you just explain to the readers how you and Reuben share so many similarities including an identical arrest record that you already admitted to here?

It seems to be all in your head.  you started out by saying it is well documented.  Why not start there and show us the documented evidence.  It would be interesting to show how you placed us both in Chicago during this meeting as starters. Then maybe show where it is documented that I had a son die after attending a program like Reuben did.

[Troll Control]

Well, first off, you posted under the usename TheWho that you made the trip to Chicago to meet with people to discuss the industry and program safety while you posting your "matrix."  Now you're denying it?  Lying then or lying now?  I think now.

You also admitted, using the username TheWho to being "arrested several times in Boston."  Plus another arrest in Michigan.  Lying then, or lying now?  I think now.

[Whooter]

Well, first off, you posted under the usename TheWho that you made the trip to Chicago to meet with people to discuss the industry and program safety while you posting your "matrix."  Now you're denying it?  Lying then or lying now?  I think now.

Show the links and the time frames.  Whether I say it is true or not true makes no difference.  Was I posting from chicago as "thewho" when this Reuben guy was.  If you have convinced yourself then you must be able to produce this time frame via links to posts.  Why not ask Psy for a favor... he can check the ip address from the posts I made during the time you said I was in Chicago.  If it shows those posts were coming from Chicago then that is fairly solid evidence.  If I was posting from Massachusetts then I was there.  This would be a good start for you, unless you want to avoid knowing for sure and stay with your fantasy

You also admitted, using the username TheWho to being "arrested several times in Boston."  Plus another arrest in Michigan.  Lying then, or lying now?  I think now.

Show the link.

Reuben was also arrested several times in Boston in the 1970's and again in Michigan for destruction of property in the same time frame.  Under the username TheWho you admitted to destroying a college campus in Michigan and being arrested for that.  Rueben was arrested for the same thing in the same place.  Coincidence?  I don't think so.

Show the link that convinced you of this so we can all see it.

As for the ficticious story you created here about your "daughter," well, that doesn't mean much.

So your story doesnt add up and you say it doesnt mean much?  Ha,Ha,Ha how do you decifer what is true and what isnt?  

You lie about all sorts of things and that's just one more.  You don't like to admit that SUWS and ASR failed your son, Mike, and that he's dead now because he never got the help he needed.  

If I lie about all sorts of things than you need to show us all the links where you base your conclusions on.  Since you say I lie you can pretty much say what ever you want and blame the discrepancies on my lieing.

Why don't you just spell out your extensive arrest record for the readers so they at least can see you're being honest about it.  You may gain some credibility if you start by telling the truth.  I know you don't own a firearm.  No need to explain that.  You're disallowed from owning one due to your criminal history.  An NCICS check of your name proved this as well.

You claim to have all the information on me, why dont you spell it out lol .... or did you make that up too.

So far you have provided the readers with no evidence at all.  Line up the time lines of when this guy Reuben was in chicago and when you think I was.  Toss up the links which helped you make this connection or is this just a story line for you?

[Troll Control]

TheWho claiming to have met in Chicago:

Well, I PM?d several people here on fornits and eventually we formed a ?Statistical group? and decided to meet at the Hyatt in Chicago about a month ago.  We spent 3 days hammering out a direction and figured we would tackle the TBS sector first.  We felt you were well respected here at fornits and had your hands around the other areas and were doing fine independently.  Your name was brought up several times so you were not forgotten or left out.

TheWho claiming to have met in Chicago


TheWho admitting to his arrest record, but leaving out quite a bit of tha nasty stuff:

Hi Anne, seems I am on the hot seat:

Actually I do have a record. The last time I was arrested was in college. I was arrested several times in Boston (for various protests and acts of civil disobedience) and once in Ann Arbor Michigan (when a protest got out of hand). I was underage, skipped school and scored a plane ticket from my sisters boyfriend when my parents were in Europe and went to the campus of Univ of Michigan in Ann arbor, myself and several people were arrested for digging these huge craters on the Diag which were meant to simulate bomb holes left by the US in Vietnam, by far my best arrest (like 40 or 50 of us were arrested). Thought I was going to be sent away when my folks cut their trip short to come home to get me, anyway, that one is probably sealed because I was underaged. I will never forget they separated me from the others for some reason and I ended up in a cell with 5 other people. This one hue black guy who was obviously drunk out of his mind kept falling asleep and then falling off his bench...he would then wake up and look right at me and say something like : if you push me again white boy I will "F" you up so much even your mother will not love you..... I was so scared that after a couple of times I waited for him to fall asleep and then I took my shoes off and wedged them underneath him so he wouldnt roll off the bench again.

TheWho admitting to his arrest record for "multiple arrests"

Lying THEN, or lying NOW?  Does it really matter?  It's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that TheWho has been caught lying again, right here in this thread.  Lying about his extensive arrest record and lying about his trip to Chicago with Lon Woodbury and Martha Kolbe, along with others.

It is so easy to catch you lying because you lie so much you can't remember your lies.  And because you sold your username, you can't edit what you wrote.  How very sad to prove you are a liar once again.  I already proved you just lied about your extensive arrest record and meeting in Chicago.  Two things you claimed I could never prove.  But there it is, in cold print, [bu]written by YOU.[/u]

[Whooter]

TheWho claiming to have met in Chicago:

Well, I PM?d several people here on fornits and eventually we formed a ?Statistical group? and decided to meet at the Hyatt in Chicago about a month ago.  We spent 3 days hammering out a direction and figured we would tackle the TBS sector first.  We felt you were well respected here at fornits and had your hands around the other areas and were doing fine independently.  Your name was brought up several times so you were not forgotten or left out.

TheWho claiming to have met in Chicago

So the above post was written February 8, 2007 and indicates that a meeting was held a month prior putting it at around January 8, 2007.  Does this match up with the time frame you have of Reuben meeting with Woodbury and the rest of these people?  I admit this would be interesting if it were the same time.

TheWho admitting to his arrest record, but leaving out quite a bit of tha nasty stuff:

Hi Anne, seems I am on the hot seat:

Actually I do have a record. The last time I was arrested was in college. I was arrested several times in Boston (for various protests and acts of civil disobedience) and once in Ann Arbor Michigan (when a protest got out of hand). I was underage, skipped school and scored a plane ticket from my sisters boyfriend when my parents were in Europe and went to the campus of Univ of Michigan in Ann arbor, myself and several people were arrested for digging these huge craters on the Diag which were meant to simulate bomb holes left by the US in Vietnam, by far my best arrest (like 40 or 50 of us were arrested). Thought I was going to be sent away when my folks cut their trip short to come home to get me, anyway, that one is probably sealed because I was underaged. I will never forget they separated me from the others for some reason and I ended up in a cell with 5 other people. This one hue black guy who was obviously drunk out of his mind kept falling asleep and then falling off his bench...he would then wake up and look right at me and say something like : if you push me again white boy I will "F" you up so much even your mother will not love you..... I was so scared that after a couple of times I waited for him to fall asleep and then I took my shoes off and wedged them underneath him so he wouldnt roll off the bench again.

TheWho admitting to his arrest record for "multiple arrests"

Lying THEN, or lying NOW?  Does it really matter?  It's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that TheWho has been caught lying again, right here in this thread.  Lying about his extensive arrest record and lying about his trip to Chicago with Lon Woodbury and Martha Kolbe, along with others.

It is so easy to catch you lying because you lie so much you can't remember your lies.  And because you sold your username, you can't edit what you wrote.  How very sad to prove you are a liar once again.  I already proved you just lied about your extensive arrest record and meeting in Chicago.  Two things you claimed I could never prove.  But there it is, in cold print, [bu]written by YOU.[/u]

What I see is consitency.  The posts show that the last time I was arrested was in college.  Where is the lie?

[Troll Control]

You just said earlier in this thread that you never said you were arrested (a lie) and that you never went to Chicago (a lie).  I'm working with the two provable lies you just posted in this thread while claiming I was a liar and you never said those things.

Readers can discount everything you say because you lie so much you can't even keep the lies straight.

Now is it a coincidence that Reuben was arrested several times in Boston and also in Ann Arbor, Michigan?  I don't think it is.  In fact, I know it isn't.

It's also not true that you haven't been arrested since age 22.  You were arrested several times after that age.  Care to explain that discrepency as well?  Care to explain if you were lying now or then?  And why you lied?