Many of us individually and several advocacy groups are already making other states' agencies aware of the findings, and, personally, I got a vey positive response from from the watchdogs in MA who verbally confirmed to me they have all the same suspicions about ASR and will be making a move soon. So you can sit there and say it isn't happening, but you're wrong.
You seem to have no comprehension in reading posts here. I believe I said If a staff member is abusing a child they should go to jail, if a program is abusing children then they should be shut down, but it doesn’t mean the entire industry is bad.
Whooter is simply an Aspen quisling. If you read his posts over the years, he has the same pattern. First he denies any allegations are true, then he claims the problems will just be fixed, then he claims they're limited to a single facility. He's wrong on all counts and anyone who has watched these programs operate knows their patterns. Aspen is in big, big trouble. If you think they aren't, you've no understanding of the scope of the mobilization against them.
If you are sure of this pattern then why not lay Mount Bachelor out as an example to support what you say then? If you know anything about the law and powers within the states (as you claim to) you would know that Oregon cannot shut down a program within the state boundaries of Massachusetts or any other state. They only have control within Oregon.
Too bad for you that you have said Fornits is meaningless and we're just a bunch of whiners with no teeth.
[citation]? Your batting zero, haven’t supported any of your argument yet.
Well, your masters have been bitten and bloodied in Oregon and it isn't going to stop there, I assure you. The pain is coming. I can see a scenario in which CRC just pulls the plug on at least half these kiddie jails because they know the fight will be lost.
If half the programs are abusing children then they should be shut down.
Then the rest will come under withering assault. What you fail to recognize is that we will never stop, never rest, until all kids are treated humanely and in accordance with the law and by accepted modalities. Why? Because we really do care about children. You do not. You protect the abusers.
Actually I am the one who cares about the kids (you just think you do). I recognize both sides of the industry (good and bad) Have you ever read a post, from a survivor or regular, about someone being happy for a child who does well and moves on with their life? Not likely here. How many express happiness for Nigels family? The majority of you are only interested in shutting down the industry. There are 500 plus programs.. lets say 100 graduate per year thats 50,000 graduates per year and how many dont do well? Hand full, maybe? How many are here on fornits who have been abused in the past couple of years? See what I mean? Is there abuse within the industry? Of course, there is abuse within every industry. The key is to dig them out, expose them and stop them. But we dont want to deny children the help they need (like you do) in the process of shutting down the abuse.
The difference between us, all along, is I deal with facts...most of your above post you cannot support...