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Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
« Reply #45 on: November 08, 2009, 12:12:15 PM »
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First off, there is no strict oversight at public schools]/QUOTE]

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and the kid never told anyone.

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At Aspen, the little girl told staff she was raped


didnt recall reading this  [citation]?


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and they ignored her (and probably punished her, too).[/u]

didnt read this either [citation]
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 See the difference?  

Not so far

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A rape reported to staff was swept under the rug.

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That's a crime and any staff who knew about it should be convicted and barred from ever working with kids again,[/u] like the teacher who raped a student.  The justice system works, but Aspen keeps its crimes hidden from the system which is what makes it so evil and unacceptable.

I think we can agree that anyone who commits a crime should be punished.

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The difference also is evident in that public schools don't set out with the intention of abusing kids, but Aspen does.


You need to prove intent.  I didnt see that link here [citation] needed

 
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Even after being warned not to use the abusive LifeSteps seminars, Aspen did it anyway.  They abused children on purpose and got paid handsomely for it by idiot parents that don't care enough about their kids to watch out for them.

[citation] needed here too.

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I hope this clarifies this horribly wrong comparison that Whooter has put out there once again.

No clarification at all. You presented no facts and just poured out your hatred towards the industry, which is typical here.  If you ever get a chance go over to Heal and read some of their stuff.  No evidence at all just anger and speculation.  But they try to make it look like it is factual, just like you did.

Public schools have oversight......We dont know if the kid told anyone, maybe a friend mentioned it and they contacted authorities or maybe they did not.  where did you get this info?  provide links.  When was she ignored and who ignored her and for how long.  what was her punishment?  Where is the intention to abuse?  Where is the evidence there was premeditation to abuse this child?  Where is the letter stating that they were warned?  Who was it addressed to?   provide a link.

Do you see the difference.  Try to stay with the facts.
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Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
« Reply #46 on: November 08, 2009, 12:37:55 PM »
From the Oregon DHS's Complaint and Order to Correct Conditions Not In Conformity With Licensing Standards for MBA (p5):

    23. MBA violated OAR 413-215-0056 regarding mandatory reporting in that student records indicate a student disclosed to a staff member prior sexual abuse but there is no indication in the record that the staff to whom the disclosure was made had complied with mandatory reporting requirements. Another student reported disclosing rape while at MBA to staff however there is no indication of a report to law enforcement or children's protective services.[/list]
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    Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
    « Reply #47 on: November 08, 2009, 01:00:27 PM »
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    From the Oregon DHS's Complaint and Order to Correct Conditions Not In Conformity With Licensing Standards for MBA (p5):

      23. MBA violated OAR 413-215-0056 regarding mandatory reporting in that student records indicate a student disclosed to a staff member prior sexual abuse but there is no indication in the record that the staff to whom the disclosure was made had complied with mandatory reporting requirements. Another student reported disclosing rape while at MBA to staff however there is no indication of a report to law enforcement or children's protective services.[/list]

      Thanks Ursus.  To the prvious poster:  Based on the written violation (OAR 413-215-0056 ) There is no indication of whether or not the child that was raped reported the crime to the staff member (as you stated).  It might have been another student or a friend who disclosed it.  Ther is no mention that the program ignored her or intended to hurt this child nor was it mentioned that the child was punished for speaking up.

      They could not find any record that the incident was reported to the authorities or "Not In Conformity With Licensing Standards ".  On top of that MBA has been cited for these violations but they have not been proven yet.

      Most of you screamed foul (in the past) when preliminary reports show that the program was not responsible for a childs death and you insist that everyone wait for the autopsie results... well lets wait for the outcome and see where the charges lead to.
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      Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
      « Reply #48 on: November 08, 2009, 01:12:50 PM »
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      There is no indication of whether or not the child that was raped reported the crime to the staff member (as you stated). It might have been another student or a friend who disclosed it.
      It seems it was not clear with so many other words in the way.

      Again, same source, but whittling it down a bit:

        "Another student reported disclosing rape while at MBA to staff however there is no indication of a report to law enforcement or children's protective services."[/list]
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        Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
        « Reply #49 on: November 08, 2009, 01:31:21 PM »
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        There is no indication of whether or not the child that was raped reported the crime to the staff member (as you stated). It might have been another student or a friend who disclosed it.
        It seems it was not clear with so many other words in the way.

        Again, whittling it down a bit:

          "Another student reported disclosing rape while at MBA to staff however there is no indication of a report to law enforcement or children's protective services."[/list]

          Exactly Ursus:  A previous posted indicated that "the child that was raped" disclosed the rape to the staff.  We dont know that all we know is that the rape was disclosed by a student to a staff member, but we dont know which student.  There was no mention of this student being punished either for disclosing it.
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          Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
          « Reply #50 on: November 08, 2009, 01:47:59 PM »
          The context of the complaint indicates that it is the students to whom the events happened ... who were doing the disclosing to staff, with the staff not doing anything about it. That is, in your words: "that 'the child that was raped' disclosed the rape to the staff."

          It is unlikely that this event would have made it into the Complaint and Order to Correct Conditions any other way. Otherwise, MBA would have as a potential defense that the Oregon DHS is basing allegations on hearsay. This is too serious an issue for DHS to mess around like that.

          Your games with semantics aren't fooling anyone, Whooter.
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          Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
          « Reply #51 on: November 08, 2009, 02:09:25 PM »
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          The context of the complaint indicates that it is the students to whom the events happened ... who were doing the disclosing to staff, with the staff not doing anything about it. That is, in your words: "that 'the child that was raped' disclosed the rape to the staff."

          It is unlikely that this event would have made it into the Complaint and Order to Correct Conditions any other way. Otherwise, MBA would have as a potential defense that the Oregon DHS is basing allegations on hearsay. This is too serious an issue for DHS to mess around like that.

          Your games with semantics aren't fooling anyone, Whooter.

          The previpous poster was the one trying to fool the readers, I am not trying to pass along my feelings and intuition as facts.  I am just trying to clear it up and asking for facts to back up comments made.  We dont know if staff ignored the rape or not.  They might have taken action.  What the state is saying is that there is no evidence they followed procedures and filed a report with the state (which is mandatory).  It is also possible that the childs roommate reported the incident to the staff member initially and then the staff approached the child themselves.  It was stated by the same poster that the child was punished for this disclosure but this does not show up in any reports, so it must have been fabricated by the poster.
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          Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
          « Reply #52 on: November 08, 2009, 02:32:03 PM »
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          The context of the complaint indicates that it is the students to whom the events happened ... who were doing the disclosing to staff, with the staff not doing anything about it. That is, in your words: "that 'the child that was raped' disclosed the rape to the staff."

          It is unlikely that this event would have made it into the Complaint and Order to Correct Conditions any other way. Otherwise, MBA would have as a potential defense that the Oregon DHS is basing allegations on hearsay. This is too serious an issue for DHS to mess around like that.

          Your games with semantics aren't fooling anyone, Whooter.

          No, Whooter isn't fooling anyone, Ursus, you're right about that.  Whooter is a quisling of Aspen.  He doesn't care that Aspen staffers rape, maim and kill children.  He's as crooked as they are, but the facts are against all of his assertions.  

          Aspen has had many black eys over the years, but this is a more serious blow.  For this particular Aspen program, it will prove to be too much for its glass jaw.  It's a straight-up KO.  Whooter wants to make it into a TKO and that's fine with me.  Either way, Aspen is out for the count on this one.  They got a standing eight-count when they were warned to stop using LifeSteps.  The corner man (Bitz) decided to continue anyway and MBA has been KO'd.
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          Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
          « Reply #53 on: November 08, 2009, 03:49:11 PM »
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          He doesn't care that Aspen staffers rape, maim and kill children.......

            Ha,Ha,Ha  Ursus, Do you see now why I post here?  No matter how many times you post the facts posters just disregard them.  Again, guest, the report was refering to an instance where a child was raped "by another student" at MBA.  This is the type of misinformation that gets thrown out by posters who dont bother to read the reports.


          Thank you for supporting my reason for posting here.  I am typically the only one (besides Ursus and a couple others) who brings facts to the table regardless of outcome.
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          Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
          « Reply #54 on: November 08, 2009, 04:10:47 PM »
          But, it's a rape isn't it?  and it was unreported, wasn't it?  Nobody claimed the girl was raped by staff.  Raped is raped no matter who did it.  this girl has been traumatized and victimized just the same.  And MBA didn't even tell the authorities.

          Count One, Rape -  Upheld
          Count Two, Failure to Report Child Rape - Upheld

          The report also said investigators observed numerous injuries on the children, including bruising of their arms by staff.

          Count Three, Maiming -  Maybe, if bruising meets the definition of maiming

          And SageWalk, another Aspen program in Oregon was recently forcibly closed by authorities for a homicide of a child in their care who was killed by staff.

          Count Four, Death - Upheld

          So the poster was 75% correct at the least and up to 100% based on the facts of the report from Oregon DHS and the Sheriff's Department.

          Three-quarters to completely correct makes Whooter so upset for what reason now?  He's just flailing again with no facts to support what he says.  Personally, I believe the reports and not Whooter.  The authorities seem more credible than some guy on the internet.  I think everyone agree with this.
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          Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
          « Reply #55 on: November 08, 2009, 04:24:25 PM »
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          So the poster was 75% correct ......

          Exactly and hence why I focused on getting the other 25% corrected.  The child was not raped by staff members as reported here.  I showed that and Ursus supplied the facts.  We should all expose these lies as they surface,  it should always rest on my shoulders.....we should "all" insist on posting 100% facts no matter where the error lies.  Its important to maintain some credibility or at least build on what you have.

          Someone should probably call HEAL as I am sure they have already read this thread and are reporting a "Staff Rape" on their web site, lol.
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          Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
          « Reply #56 on: November 08, 2009, 05:33:58 PM »
          It was a typo.  No big deal.

          What's important is now Whooter admits a child was raped on this Aspen campus and children were abused.  This is a big step for Whooter to start admitting the facts.  See, Whooter, I knew you could do it!!  For you just to stop blindly supporting abusive programs like Aspen is part of your maturation process.  And you didn't even need a program...LOL.  You were helped by everyone's support here.  We always hold you accountable and now you are starting to see that the truth doesn't hurt so much if you only act in the best interests of the kids.  We can all be proud of you for finally breaking through the tissue of lies you have been spinning here for years!  Try not to backslide, Ha, Ha, Ha...Just kidding!
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          Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
          « Reply #57 on: November 08, 2009, 05:43:25 PM »
          Go ahead and pat yourself on the back "who boy" but the only thing you ever did for this place was get rid of RobertBruce and his never ending trolling.  Besides that you haven’t done shit.  You are an Aspen shill, supporter of child abuse and always will be.  Roll the fuck over and die.  We dont need you here.
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          Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
          « Reply #58 on: November 08, 2009, 05:50:04 PM »
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          And SageWalk, another Aspen program in Oregon was recently forcibly closed by authorities for a homicide of a child in their care who was killed by staff

          Was this proven to be a homicide?  tsk,tsk,tsk  or is this further proof of the misinformation that is presented her?  Can you supply a link?

          I think we can all start to see the trend here.
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          Re: Bye Bye Mount Bachelor Academy
          « Reply #59 on: November 08, 2009, 05:58:08 PM »
          http://www.katu.com/news/65114062.html

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          In an affidavit Lake County Sheriff’s Deputy Chuck Poré wrote:[...]

          he believed Sergey’s death “was a homicide and the result of criminal mistreatment and reckless endangerment by the school.”[/i]
          It said that Department of Human Services requires that wilderness schools offer its students “no less than 3,000 calories of food per day.”

          Poré said that Sergey was only given lentils and rice and may have only received 400 calories during the day.

          The Blashchishena family declined to comment on the sheriff deputy’s findings but their attorney said the sheriff’s department is on the right track.

          “Obviously, it confirms some of my client’s suspicions about some of the problems that were with the camp, some of the problems with the program, and in particular, the way that Sergey was treated and the way that there was a lack of attention to his medical emergency,” said Gordon Gannicott.

          http://www.cafety.org/privately-funded- ... tion-group

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          Poré arrived around 7 p.m., nearly five hours after staff members had begun CPR and more than three hours after they’d stopped lifesaving efforts. He rolled Blashchishen onto his side to examine him, and was surprised to find the boy’s body still warm.

          “Never before have I encountered a body that was warmer than my own touch, and it was especially remarkable as it was overcast and had been hours since death. ... Although I was gloved I was wearing short sleeves and could feel the heat radiation against my own skin,” Poré wrote. “My senses likened the feeling to touching someone who had just gotten out of a hot shower.”
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