help me out here, what exactly happened that was so tramatizing? Was it being invovled with them for over ten years like I was, or having to take five newcs like I did, or getting kicked punched and or scratched and bitten like I was, maybe the sleepless nights prior to an eight hr. sleep rule like I had, or being humiliated by group unremittingly like I was, sat down constantly because of being doubted by every one there like I was, or maybe the separation from your family because the didn`t "support" the program like I did, working on staff with no sleep, failing class, totaling two cars almost dying like I did,working a twelve hr. day then going down there to "help" until the wee fucking hours sleeping on the job and getting confronted by the boss like I was,then leaving as a grad. and again losing family, and having the police come to your house three times because of false claimes against you like I did, having to spend three years in court battles to deal with this b.s. like I did, what is it, if you don`t mind saying, that causes all this contempt? I must be doing something wrong. I see these people and it doesn`t cause night mares or rage, it wasn`t fun at the time but that was yesterday as my husband would say. So if you can let us know your personal hell, unless of course you`ve realized that others have had it a little worse than you, maybe a little, and they don`t whine nearly as much if at all.