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Sending Your Child Away
« on: November 13, 2009, 02:41:06 PM »
PARENTOLOGY
Sending your child away
When parents feel overwhelmed in dealing with a problem adolescent, a costly boarding program may seem like the only way out. Making such a decision can be scary and humbling.
(Reuben Munoz / Los Angeles Times)
http://www.latimes.com/features/home/la ... 2672.story
By Deborah Netburn
November 14, 2009

This past summer, a couple in Northern California paid two imposing men to come into their home at 4 in the morning, handcuff their 17-year-old daughter and force her into a car headed for the airport. After months of threats, the parents had enrolled her in what's called a therapeutic wilderness program, where she would hike three to five miles a day with a 25-pound pack, learn to make a fire with two sticks and theoretically transform from a manipulative teenager who cursed out her mom and dad and had started failing in school back into a young woman they could live with. Six months later, the daughter still has nightmares about being taken from her bed in the middle of the night, but when recounting the story over the phone, her mother calmly said, "I would do it all over again in a heartbeat."

A week before I'd heard a similar story. Parents in the South Bay found a large handful of unprescribed Xanax on their 16-year-old son's dresser, and suddenly the moody behavior and the days spent locked in his room started to make sense. Their son didn't want to go to rehab, he didn't believe it would work and he didn't want his parents to spend the money. He talked about running away to Portland, Ore. And so they too hired a transport service -- the son referred to them as "the big, scary men" -- and after the parents woke up their son (also at 4 in the morning) and told him that they loved him and that they were doing what they thought was best, they watched him pull out of the driveway in a car driven by strangers, the son's middle finger raised in the air.

There are times -- emotionally exhausting and agonizing times -- when parents realize that something in the family system has gone horribly awry and that for a kid's safety and future, the son or daughter is better off living somewhere else. It is a terrible decision to have to make -- one that is scary, expensive and humbling. So what makes a parent do it?

These tend not to be people who think normal adolescent challenges constitute a crisis. Sending a kid away can make the child feel abandoned, therapists say, so we're really looking only at parents pushed to an extreme response because of an extreme situation. Think drug addiction, promiscuous and unprotected sex, not showing up at school or the threat of suicide.

It is rare, but perhaps not as rare as one might think. One parent I talked to for this story described herself as "close with her kids." Another said that the family made a point to eat dinner together five nights a week. The parents I spoke with were not divorced. They were not struggling financially. They were seemingly "normal," except they had run out of skills to deal with their deeply troubled children.

"People say you cannot send your kid away until you reach the point where you think they are not safe," said one mother, who, like every parent or child interviewed for this column, asked that her name not be used to protect her family's privacy. "For a parent to admit that someone can do a better job with the person you love best in the world is a very humbling place to be."

Psychologists said that on some level, deciding to send your kid away to be taken care of by strangers is admitting to a fundamental inadequacy. Your child desperately needs help, and you, the parent, are no longer in a position to help.

"For a parent, taking this step can be like admitting they are an alcoholic," said Dr. Ron Glick, a clinical psychologist who works with teenagers in Hermosa Beach. "They are admitting they've failed as a parent."

One mother felt judged by friends outside her immediate circle after she sent her son first to a wilderness program and then to a therapeutic boarding school.

"It changed our family dynamic, it changed our relationship with each other, with our other kids. You question everything about yourself, and it is very lonely," she said. "You feel like everyone in the neighborhood is looking at you, and they are looking at you."

People do question how a parent could possibly send her child away, said a mother from the Bay Area who sent a suicidal child to a treatment facility in Iowa in September.

"I think that was an unasked question that was implicitly there, because we hadn't advertised the depths to which our son had gone," she said. "But when we explained what we went through, they understood."

But, of course, horror stories about wilderness programs are still swirling. Websites catalog the deaths of kids in residential programs, the tales of sadistic counselors and boot-camp conditions in which water and food are withheld as punishment. Just this past summer, 16-year-old Sergey Blashchishen died on his first hike in a therapeutic wilderness program in Oregon. Investigators are still trying to determine the cause of death.

And there is the crippling expense: Sending an adolescent to a therapeutic boarding school or a therapeutic wilderness program (and often parents do both) can easily cost between $10,000 and $15,000 a month. Insurance almost never helps, and neither does the government.

Despite all this, the number of people sending their kids to wilderness therapy programs had been growing until the recession hit, said Douglas Bodin, chief executive of Bodin, a consulting group with offices in California and Utah that helps parents through the process of picking the best place for their child.

"If we've exhausted all other resources -- behavioral changes, testing, helping the parents change their parenting approach -- when everything else doesn't work, we ask, 'OK, can you effectively manage and keep the child safe?' " Glick said. "And if the answer is no, then they go to these programs."

Nobody is promising that once a kid returns from a wilderness program or a therapeutic boarding school that problems will be fixed.

"A lot of what my program did is allow people to communicate again," the teen Xanax abuser said. "Things will not be perfect afterwards, but things are more likely to be normal."

In the meantime, for most parents, the decision to send a kid away is a leap of faith.

"You constantly question yourself, even after you've seen success," one mom said. "There is still a part of you, me, that would like him home, and yet I still realize we do not have the resources he needs. I can provide all the love in this world, but I don't have the skills to treat my son."

Discuss this story on our L.A. at Home blog.

deborah.netburn@latimes.com
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Re: Sending Your Child Away
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2009, 04:41:37 PM »
Children should stop acting like morons, doing drugs, drinking, skipping school, fighting, running away from home, behaving poorly in class and disrespecting parents if they don't want to be sent to a TBS.  I forgot, the PC term on fornits is gulag.
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« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2009, 05:01:25 PM »
Quote from: "Children should stop acting like morons"
Children should stop acting like morons, doing drugs, drinking, skipping school, fighting, running away from home, behaving poorly in class and disrespecting parents if they don't want to be sent to a TBS.  I forgot, the PC term on fornits is gulag.

kids didnt do this stuff when I was growing up.  I dont think I ever met anyone who didnt go to school or just did drugs in front of their parents without caring what they thought.  Almost all of these kids know they are headed for a program and could have avoided it if they wanted to, the wake up call at 4:00 am is just that.  The real surprise to these kids is that the parents followed thru.  Then they need to get into manipulation mode to try to get themselves out early, but most programs can tell if a kid is faking or not.
Yes the current term is Gulag, but duck farm, kiddie prison, torture palace are also acceptable.
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« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2009, 05:49:51 PM »
which supports my belief that the gulags and kiddies prisons are meant as nothing more than punishment and to give the parents a break from the rigors of parenting.  The profiteers know this which is why they feel free to do anything they want to the kids including hiring known child molesters.   Most parents couldn't give a crap about the methods and
"treatments"  or they would do their research and not send the kids away or better yet take some lessons from those parents who face those problems without feeling the need to send their kids away.
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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2009, 08:07:25 PM »
This has been a good discussion and we are closer to agreeing than you think.

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which supports my belief that the gulags and kiddies prisons are meant as nothing more than punishment and to give the parents a break from the rigors of parenting.
The "rigors of parenting" is a good description.  If you look at the article these parents are exhausted and at their wits end trying to help the one child who doesn’t seem to want to respond or join the family fold.

 
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The profiteers know this which is why they feel free to do anything they want to the kids including hiring known child molesters.
As far as turning a profit we would all be hard pressed to find anyone willing to help these kids for free.  Hospitals pull a larger profit then than these programs do.
I am sure programs have had their fill of child abusers as have the public school system, private sector and catholic churches.  This is why I suggest parents speak to other parents who have had kids attend so they can gain a comfort level prior to placement.  Then after placement get to know the staff that are with their children everyday.


 
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Most parents couldn't give a crap about the methods and
"treatments" or they would do their research and not send the kids away or better yet take some lessons from those parents who face those problems without feeling the need to send their kids away.
The methods details are not very important to the parents as is the credentials of the teachers on the academic side.  Hell most of these kids drop out of school all together so just getting these kids to read a book or attend class is a step forward.  It always raised a curious smile when these same kids would post here complaining that the teachers were not certified but when they were exposed to certified teachers at home they never bothered to even go to school Ha,Ha,Ha go figure.
As far as parents who have face these problems, these parents "have already" faced and have been successful in raising several children.  But sometimes there is one who doesn’t respond well at home.  The article covers this very well.
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Re: Sending Your Child Away
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2009, 01:20:01 PM »
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The "rigors of parenting" is a good description. If you look at the article these parents are exhausted and at their wits end trying to help the one child who doesn’t seem to want to respond or join the family fold.

That's a piss-poor excuse for dumping their responsibilities and putting the "problem kid" in an abusive environment that is bound to compound the "troubles" that are troubling the kid.
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he methods details are not very important to the parents

Exactly.  What they want is for someone to take the problem off of their hands. That want someone or something else to control their kids behavior, somone who will properly punish and exact revenge.  What they should do is take a leave of absence, take the money they are willing to spend on the program and go away with the kid, reconnect, establish trust and mutual respect so that the influence (not control) that every parent has can be strengthend in a way that can actually help.  It can be done but programs work to invalidate parental influence and destroy any remaining bond.  They validate a parent's desire to abdicate their parental role.  They feed the parents one line and once they get the kid they belittle the parents to the kids and work to destroy mutual trust and respect.   I know, I know you are going to say but the parent has to work! (to pay for the program).  No the parent has to be a parent.
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« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2009, 03:57:49 PM »
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Hospitals pull a larger profit then than these programs do.

TheWho is dumber than I thought.  He obviously has no clue about the hospital business, which makes sense because all of his beloved programs are not mdically or scientifically valid in any way.  Over NINETY PERCENT of hospitals turn NO PROFIT AT ALL and run in the red.  Just goes to show how dumb this cat really is.
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« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2009, 04:18:29 PM »
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Hospitals pull a larger profit then than these programs do.

TheWho is dumber than I thought.  He obviously has no clue about the hospital business, which makes sense because all of his beloved programs are not mdically or scientifically valid in any way.  Over NINETY PERCENT of hospitals turn NO PROFIT AT ALL and run in the red.  Just goes to show how dumb this cat really is.


For-profit Hospitals do exist.  If they are running in the "Red" then that means they are "poorly managed"..... (now who feels stupid?) Ha,Ha,Ha....... Would you rather your kids be in the hands of people who are competent or incompetent?
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« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2009, 04:51:09 PM »
What a dumbass.  Of course hospitals are FOR PROFIT, but if you knew anything about the hospital business, which I am in and you clearly are not, you'd know that the defecit reduction act crippled hospitals and NINETY PERCENT, not ALL, run in the RED.  TheWho is a moron.  He just stated in another thread that John McCain was held captive by the NORTH KOREANS.  Someone that dumb ought to refrain from commentary.
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« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2009, 05:01:46 PM »
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What a dumbass.  Of course hospitals are FOR PROFIT,

So are programs!!

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but if you knew anything about the hospital business, which I am in and you clearly are not, you'd know that the defecit reduction act crippled hospitals and NINETY PERCENT, not ALL, run in the RED.

Programs are better managed.

 
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TheWho is a moron.  He just stated in another thread that John McCain was held captive by the NORTH KOREANS.  Someone that dumb ought to refrain from commentary.

I think everyone knows it was the Chinese who held him what a dolf!!
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« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2009, 05:06:26 PM »
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What a dumbass.  Of course hospitals are FOR PROFIT, but if you knew anything about the hospital business, which I am in and you clearly are not, you'd know that the defecit reduction act crippled hospitals and NINETY PERCENT, not ALL, run in the RED.  TheWho is a moron.  He just stated in another thread that John McCain was held captive by the NORTH KOREANS.  Someone that dumb ought to refrain from commentary.

Totally agree with this post.  How can anyone think they can rely on statements by a person so dumb?  Lucky he's a trust fund baby because with an intellect this weak he's unemployable.
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« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2009, 05:37:27 PM »
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Hospitals pull a larger profit then than these programs do.

TheWho is dumber than I thought.  He obviously has no clue about the hospital business, which makes sense because all of his beloved programs are not mdically or scientifically valid in any way.  Over NINETY PERCENT of hospitals turn NO PROFIT AT ALL and run in the red.  Just goes to show how dumb this cat really is.


For-profit Hospitals do exist.  If they are running in the "Red" then that means they are "poorly managed"..... (now who feels stupid?) Ha,Ha,Ha....... Would you rather your kids be in the hands of people who are competent or incompetent?
I think like the guest above , most people assume that hospitals are nonprofit, which just isnt the case  Thanks for posting, providing a link showing hospitals make a profit just like programs do.  Many here will be pissed at that but facts are facts.
I hope you stick around.
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« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2009, 05:41:09 PM »
See how its twisty "logic" is like a bendy straw...all sucky and stuff.
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« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2009, 07:41:54 PM »
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See how its twisty "logic" is like a bendy straw...all sucky and stuff.
I was able to follow along okay.  The point you missed is that hospitals are for-profit also and are subject to the same struggles that programs are.  They both hire professionals.  Many here believe hospitals dont care about making money and hold them to a higher standard, but the above posts, by our guest, show that to be untrue
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