Ellen Behren's Industry Study Funded by AEG

[Whooter]

WHOOTER IS NOT A PROGRAM PARENT, HE'S John Reuben  FROM STICC....  HE USES LINGO DESPERATE PARENTS WOULD USE PRIOR TO SENDING THEIR CHILD TO A PROGRAM....   SO, WHEN PARENTS VIEW THIS WEBSITE, THEY'LL FALL HOOK LINE AND SINKER FOR WHOOTER'S POOR ADVICE....

I found that if it is RED it grabs peoples attention better.



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[elangraduate]

REVOLT AGAINST ASPEN TODAY.  CALL THEM NOW AND TELL THEM TO STOP MURDERING BABIES.  THEY KILL CHILDREN.  WTF... :clown:

[DannyB II]

The poster who is tormenting whooter right now (Elan Graduate) is non other then "Felice Eliscu" who is feeling very poorly today. She thinks if she humiliates Whooter and Danny that this will somehow help her compensate for her low self esteem, right now.
I have tried to enlighten Felice that this negative attitude only brings about more negative energy.

[Troll Control]

We just have to keep in mind that Behrens looked at Aspen programs and Aspen has argued in court that they don't provide any treatment.  

Only treatment facilities were studied by the researchers cited by Behrens.  Aspen could not have been included since they provide no treatment and therefore Whooter's fallacious logic that Aspen falls under the other research fails the smell test.  Whooter is trying mislead people into believing that other researchers studied programs, but they didn't.  Behrens did and even her biased survey work concludes a much, much lower "success rate" than traditional treatment which is up to 80% effective.

Plus, if you look at those studies, they reference 30 to 90 day inpatient treatment facilities.  Aspen is a 2 year behavior modification program with no treatment.

I only wonder why Whooter has posted probably more than 100 times that the Aspen programs have an 80% success rate when no data suggest that at all.  Probably because of his fiduciary interest in Aspen.

Oh No!!!  Aspen doesnt provide any treatment at all?  Why didnt someone tell us?  lol  How did all these kids get better then?  Were they all brain washed?  Its been decades and the kids are still doing well went to college raising families, having reunions with their peer groups... what are they going to do when the brainwashing wears off?
Someone should send an email to the APA!!


DJ, I think you single handedly debunked the entire study



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Well, it's debunked alright, but I can't take all of the credit.  Aspen Education Group lawyers get most of it.  Here, have a look:

Aspen Education Group does not provide a therapeutic milieu that is conformative to standards, provide medically recognized therapy, medically accredited personnel, or treatment centers for mental disorder or drug abuse, Aspen's own lawyers successfully argued in Pence v. Aspen Education Group.

Good thing they got the study posted on the marketing page before this news came out!  Can't study Aspen "residential treatment centers" because none exist.  It's like studying Bigfoot or the Chupacabra. :rofl:

[Whooter]

lol Lets take another look at the debunked Study:


We have come a long way.  A few weeks ago many people had never heard of the Residential Treatment Outcome Study performed by Canyon Research.  They looked at close to 1,000 children and families and found that the programs studied where up to 80% effective.

Dysfunction junction and myself managed to put the spot light on this study over the past day or two and were able to nail down that the study was indeed independent and was overseen by an independent third party in the form of a Review Board (WIRB).  From WIRB’s documents:

The IRB also reviews the consent form (which they did for the Aspen Study) for the research to make sure that it is accurate. If it approves the research, the IRB continues to review the ongoing research after it starts. (This is called oversight).

WIRB reviewed the consent forms and approved the study and issued “Certificates of approval” as was pointed out in the study itself and presented to the APA.
Here are some supportive links and information as we stand today:

Residential Treatment Outcome-Study

Canyon Research & Consulting: Independent research company that conducted the study.
 
 Western Institutional Review Board: Independent board that approved research and audited the study.

The Western Institutional Review Board approved consent/assent forms and issued Certificates of Approval for the study.
Here are copies of their "Certificate of Approval" forms
Sample 1
Sample 2

at the bottom of page 2 it states:

Federal regulations require that WIRB conduct continuing review of approved research. You will receive Continuing
Review Report forms from WIRB. These reports must be returned even though your study may not have started.


The above study was presented at the American Psychological Association (APA) conference 2006.


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[Troll Control]

We just have to keep in mind that Behrens looked at Aspen programs and Aspen has argued in court that they don't provide any treatment.  

Only treatment facilities were studied by the researchers cited by Behrens.  Aspen could not have been included since they provide no treatment and therefore Whooter's fallacious logic that Aspen falls under the other research fails the smell test.  Whooter is trying mislead people into believing that other researchers studied programs, but they didn't.  Behrens did and even her biased survey work concludes a much, much lower "success rate" than traditional treatment which is up to 80% effective.

Plus, if you look at those studies, they reference 30 to 90 day inpatient treatment facilities.  Aspen is a 2 year behavior modification program with no treatment.

I only wonder why Whooter has posted probably more than 100 times that the Aspen programs have an 80% success rate when no data suggest that at all.  Probably because of his fiduciary interest in Aspen.

Oh No!!!  Aspen doesnt provide any treatment at all?  Why didnt someone tell us?  lol  How did all these kids get better then?  Were they all brain washed?  Its been decades and the kids are still doing well went to college raising families, having reunions with their peer groups... what are they going to do when the brainwashing wears off?
Someone should send an email to the APA!!


DJ, I think you single handedly debunked the entire study



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Well, it's debunked alright, but I can't take all of the credit.  Aspen Education Group lawyers get most of it.  Here, have a look:

Aspen Education Group does not provide a therapeutic milieu that is conformative to standards, provide medically recognized therapy, medically accredited personnel, or treatment centers for mental disorder or drug abuse, Aspen's own lawyers successfully argued in Pence v. Aspen Education Group.

Good thing they got the study posted on the marketing page before this news came out!  Can't study Aspen "residential treatment centers" because none exist.  It's like studying Bigfoot or the Chupacabra. :rofl:

Let's take a look at Aspen Education's admission (after the "study") that they provide no treatment of any kind to anyone.  Interesting, eh?  What type of "treatment" was Behrens studying at Aspen programs, hmmm?  She's probably pretty embarassed now that the lawyers completely discredited her and her work.

[Whooter]

Another look at the facts to bring it back on topic:


We have come a long way.  A few weeks ago many people had never heard of the Residential Treatment Outcome Study performed by Canyon Research.  They looked at close to 1,000 children and families and found that the programs studied where up to 80% effective.

Dysfunction junction and myself managed to put the spot light on this study over the past day or two and were able to nail down that the study was indeed independent and was overseen by an independent third party in the form of a Review Board (WIRB).  From WIRB’s documents:

The IRB also reviews the consent form (which they did for the Aspen Study) for the research to make sure that it is accurate. If it approves the research, the IRB continues to review the ongoing research after it starts. (This is called oversight).

WIRB reviewed the consent forms and approved the study and issued “Certificates of approval” as was pointed out in the study itself and presented to the APA.
Here are some supportive links and information as we stand today:

Residential Treatment Outcome-Study

Canyon Research & Consulting: Independent research company that conducted the study.
 
 Western Institutional Review Board: Independent board that approved research and audited the study.

The Western Institutional Review Board approved consent/assent forms and issued Certificates of Approval for the study.
Here are copies of their "Certificate of Approval" forms
Sample 1
Sample 2

at the bottom of page 2 it states:

Federal regulations require that WIRB conduct continuing review of approved research. You will receive Continuing
Review Report forms from WIRB. These reports must be returned even though your study may not have started.


The above study was presented at the American Psychological Association (APA) conference 2006.



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[Troll Control]

But the study is allegedly about residential treatment at Aspen.  Aspen argued successfully in court that they provide none.  So how does one study something that doesn't exist, I wonder?  

Is Behrens a cryptozoologist?? :notworthy:  :nods:

[Whooter]

But the study is allegedly about residential treatment at Aspen.  Aspen argued successfully in court that they provide none.  So how does one study something that doesn't exist, I wonder?  

Is Behrens a cryptozoologist?? :notworthy:  :nods:

Maybe the kids were brainwashed by their captors in the Gulag when they answered the study questions?  But how did they brainwash the parents?  LGAT seminars? lol



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[Troll Control]

Maybe, I couldn't say.  All I can say for a fact is that Aspen doesn't provide treatment, so there can't be study about Aspen's treatment.  I guess you could take it up with their lawyers though.

Tell me, when Behrens was studying the nonexistent treatment at Aspen programs, was she riding a unicorn by chance?  Did she run into the Loch Ness Monster??

[Whooter]

Maybe, I couldn't say.  All I can say for a fact is that Aspen doesn't provide treatment, so there can't be study about Aspen's treatment.  I guess you could take it up with their lawyers though.

Tell me, when Behrens was studying the nonexistent treatment at Aspen programs, was she riding a unicorn by chance?  Did she run into the Loch Ness Monster??

Close your eyes and think real hard and maybe the facts will go away.  Maybe there isnt a study which was independently done with third party oversight presented at the APA annual convention.

Now open you eyes !!  

Residential Treatment Outcome-Study

Dam, the link is still there.  It wont go away.



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[Troll Control]

I think it worked!

Some residential programs selfidentify as “therapeutic boarding
schools,” “emotional growth academies” or “behavior modification facilities,” and market to families of youth with psychiatric diagnoses, claiming expertise in treating a variety of serious conditions.

Many of these new programs are notcurrently subject to any state licensing or
monitoring as mental health facilities.

Currently, the only information available about most of these programs comes from their own marketing efforts and there is no systematic, independently collected descriptive or outcome data on these programs[/size].

Highly disturbing reports have been published in the public media and provided
by youth and families describing financial opportunism by program operators, poor
quality education, harsh discipline, inappropriate seclusion and restraint, substandard
psychotherapeutic interventions conducted by unqualified staff, medical and nutritional
neglect, and rights violations in a number of unregulated facilities.

I wonder whom I should believe?  A renowned psychologist from USF or Whooter from Aspen?  :rofl:

[Whooter]

I think it worked!

Some residential programs selfidentify as “therapeutic boarding
schools,” “emotional growth academies” or “behavior modification facilities,” and market to families of youth with psychiatric diagnoses, claiming expertise in treating a variety of serious conditions.

Many of these new programs are notcurrently subject to any state licensing or
monitoring as mental health facilities.

Currently, the only information available about most of these programs comes from their own marketing efforts and there is no systematic, independently collected descriptive or outcome data on these programs[/size].

Highly disturbing reports have been published in the public media and provided
by youth and families describing financial opportunism by program operators, poor
quality education, harsh discipline, inappropriate seclusion and restraint, substandard
psychotherapeutic interventions conducted by unqualified staff, medical and nutritional
neglect, and rights violations in a number of unregulated facilities.

I wonder whom I should believe?  A renowned psychologist from USF or Whooter from Aspen?  :rofl:

That is why they are doing studies!!



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[Troll Control]

...the only information available about most of these programs comes from their own marketing efforts and there is no systematic, independently collected descriptive or outcome data on these programs.

I think the point the good doctor was making is that the study you keep referring to was not independent nor valid, but rather a marketing tool.  I tend to believe bonafide psychologists over Aspen marketers.

[Whooter]

We have come a long way.  A few weeks ago many people had never heard of the Residential Treatment Outcome Study performed by Canyon Research.  They looked at close to 1,000 children and families and found that the programs studied where up to 80% effective.

Dysfunction junction and myself managed to put the spot light on this study over the past day or two and were able to nail down that the study was indeed independent and was overseen by an independent third party in the form of a Review Board (WIRB).  From WIRB’s documents:

The IRB also reviews the consent form (which they did for the Aspen Study) for the research to make sure that it is accurate. If it approves the research, the IRB continues to review the ongoing research after it starts. (This is called oversight).

WIRB reviewed the consent forms and approved the study and issued “Certificates of approval” as was pointed out in the study itself and presented to the APA.
Here are some supportive links and information as we stand today:

Residential Treatment Outcome-Study

Canyon Research & Consulting: Independent research company that conducted the study.
 
** Western Institutional Review Board: Independent board that approved research and audited the study.

The Western Institutional Review Board approved consent/assent forms and issued Certificates of Approval for the study.
Here are copies of their "Certificate of Approval" forms
Sample 1
Sample 2

at the bottom of page 2 it states:

Federal regulations require that WIRB conduct continuing review of approved research. You will receive Continuing
Review Report forms from WIRB. These reports must be returned even though your study may not have started.


The above study was presented at the American Psychological Association (APA) conference 2006. ** As a disclaimer Dysfunction Junction of fornits was mistaken the first time when he said WIRB never heard of the study.  What he meant was he called WIRB and they did hear of the study but said they only approved the Questionnaire.  So we need to consider DJs' input/opinion against the published facts.



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