GOD / WWASP / CAREY & KING

[Anonymous]

From: ken@wwasp.com

Ken,
       I know I said earlier that I do not respect Ashley's mom's decision but that does not mean that I do not respect Ashley's mom.

        I think the same holds true as far as the fact that while God may not like our choices and God does not like it when we sin, it does not mean that he does not love us.  Of cource he does hold us accountable for our choices and the sin in our lives.  And likewise, the same holds true for Ashley and her mom.    

       So, I guess my point is  that while I don't respect her decision, it does not mean that I don't respect her.  I don't know her.  Who am I to judge?  I am thankful that only God has the right to judge us.  He knows our hearts better than we do ourselves.

Carey

[Carey]

That was not written to Mr. Kay.  It was written to Sue and those on the Trekers List.  Things like this can be proven in a court of law.  You better think before you act.

Mr. Kay you and I know that we never had this conversation.  Maybe this needs to be brought up in court.  Then everyone can see exactly how these PURE/trekers work.  However all of those on the trekers list know exactly where it came from and who it was addressed to.

Not a very smart move trekers!  

This is who this email was addressed to and this can be verified by legal means.  

Subj: [Trekkers] Respect  
Date: 11/20/02 2:29:18 PM Central Standard Time
From: intrepid-l@fully-baked.org
To: intrepid-l@fully-baked.org
Sent from the Internet (Details)
 


Sue,
       I know I said earlier that I do not respect Ashley's mom's decision but that does not mean that I do not respect Ashley's mom.

        I think the same holds true as far as the fact that while God may not like our choices and God does not like it when we sin, it does not mean that he does not love us.  Of cource he does hold us accountable for our choices and the sin in our lives.  And likewise, the same holds true for Ashley and her mom.    

       So, I guess my point is  that while I don't respect her decision, it does not mean that I don't respect her.  I don't know her.  Who am I to judge?  I am thankful that only God has the right to judge us.  He knows our hearts better than we do ourselves.

Carey
Sue, you are stupider than stupid.

[Anonymous]

carey, this just goes to show that your posts of other people's personal emails can be altered to fit what ever you wish them to.  there is no proof of anything, your emails could be the results of your fiticious imagination as well.  your continuous babble and posting of others personal responses to you, are between you and that party.  not the world, who gives a shit if you have a personal problem or hang up with one indidvidual or that some group disowned your helterskelter ass.

you could be considered a stalker in the eyes of the law, with your personal vendetta against others.  how about defamation of character, slander, invasion of privacy, and the list goes on.  maybe you had better contemplate obtaining good civil representation concerning these matters.

[Carey]

Hey dumb ass.  These things can be traced.  Just ask Sue, she will tell ya, she has first hand knowledge of it.

What I have learned today is that you and those connected to Sue will stoop to any level to try and convince people of your lies and manipulations.

You have really messed things up.  Dishonesty is not a good thing.  One thing I can say, I have never lied or made things up!  Too bad for you, it can be proven that you have and that you do.

[Anonymous]

Carey - Stand in your power!  You've been pushing their buttons today, and if they weren't bothered by it, they would not respond in the way they have. Whoever THEY are!! Looks like you have definitely pushed the "TRUTH" or the "PANIC" :rofl:    buttons!

[Anonymous]

i'm the dumbass?

i didn't hire thugs to retreive my children?

i didn't hire an E.C. to support my court case for my little dope smokers?

my husband didn't run off with his secretary to brazil to get away from your loud mouth ass?

and i quote;

I do appreciate all of you and all of the support I have been given through all of this by everyone on the listserv.

Carey


don't tell lies, always truthful?


I am also going to involve Child Welfare.  I want them to review WWASP and their methods and techniques.  

This information will not only help me and my boys, but ultimately will help everyone, especially the children.

YOU ARE NOT HELPING CHILDREN, YOU ARE ON A SUE SCHEFF CRUSADE.

I have threatened their existance because I have reminded them that I did not sign anything and therefore can sue them becuase I did not sign a waiver.

WHERE IS YOUR LAW SUIT AGAINST WWASPS?  I DON'T SEE MENTION OF YOU HELPING OTHERS AGAINST WWASPS?

Who am I to judge?  I am thankful that only God has the right to judge us.  He knows our hearts better than we do ourselves.

ARE YOU NOT JUDGING OTHERS?

My boys have suffered because of this assault and rape.  They lived in fear of something like this happening to them.

SEEK LEGAL ADVICE, IF YOUR CHILDREN WERE AFFECTED?  HELP THEM AND QUIT RUNNING YOUR MOUTH?

Do I have something to gain from this, yes peace of mind in regard to the well-being of my boys.  But more important than that, is their peace of mind.  

     How can you even compare me to the rest of the people on the bbs.  I want the truth told.

HAVE YOU GOTTEN YOUR BOYS PEACE YET?  ALL I EVER HERE ABOUT IS YOU...YOU...YOU?

I have just learned that Carey has sent an e-mail to Dena and is leaking information.  The e-mail was nasty carey style.

OPPS!  MUST HAVE BEEN ONE OF THOSE UN-TRUSTING DAYS?  OR MAYBE YOU JUST LIED?

carey, you are no different from anyone else out here other than your obsession.

[Carey]

That was pretty funny.  Someone is upset :razz:

It must really hurt.

I did receive support from the listserv.  But that was only as long as I bought what I was being told hook, line and sinker.  However, when I started questioning or challenging some of what was going on with the listserv, well then, boy did that change.

Are ya scared?  Bet your ass you are.  When you lie, bad things happen, you have to pay the consequences.

See ya in court!

[Anonymous]

if i'm not mistaken, those are your comments are they not?  and now all of a sudden they are lies?  hummmmm

upset?  with you, not!  those are your own words, why would i be upset?  you said all of them?

lie?  i haven't lied about anything?  just re quoted your comments.

court?  i have no reason to visit one at this point with you or anyone else pertaining to this matter?

apparently, you have assumed again that i am someone you are after?  i just visit here to egg you on?  looks like i'm accomplishing my intentions?  it beats me coming to fornits and viewing you conversing with yourself?  this is a nice little chat arena.

scared of you?  i don't think so!  i don't bet either.

your last sentence almost confirms your honor.  why it has a wwasp ring to it; YOU HAVE TO PAY CONSEQUENCES.  sounds kind of like i may have struck a never or something, carey?  or should i say wwasspie

[Anonymous]

Carey - How did you come in contact with Sue Scheff and/or PURE?  Did you pull your boys from Dundee Ranch in Costa Rica because of what they told you about it, making it sound a lot worse than it was?  I've been reading both here and on the voy site, and get that they didn't beat kids.  Dundee was/is a Behavior Modification program and is meant for the more serious "behaviorally challenged" teens.  From what I've read of your boys, another wwasp program would have been more well suited.  I get that they are not all the same. I also realize that your ex made this decision for Dundee.

[Carey]

Carey - How did you come in contact with Sue Scheff and/or PURE?

I found an article in the news about WWASP that had Tom Burton's name in it.  My attorney contacted Burton and was given Sue's name, number and email address by him.  I contacted her.  She would not talk to me at first.  She had others on her list talk to me, I guess to kinda feel me out, see if I was for real.

Did you pull your boys from Dundee Ranch in Costa Rica because of what they told you about it, making it sound a lot worse than it was?

I was not at all comfortable with the fact that first, it was a program out of the country and second, Dundee was very uncooperative with giving me the information I was seeking about the program and its staff.  Sue, and others, did make it worse than it was by bloating the truth.  You see, I was frightened anyway, and I think they played upon those fears, feeding me with horror stories.

I've been reading both here and on the voy site, and get that they didn't beat kids.

I was not there, so all I have to go on is what my boys tell me.  They say they never witnessed any beatings, however they did see kids being restrained.

Dundee was/is a Behavior Modification program and is meant for the more serious "behaviorally challenged" teens. From what I've read of your boys, another wwasp program would have been more well suited. I get that they are not all the same.

I don't know about that.  I could not and would not agree to the communication, or lack there of, that the WWASP programs insist upon between parent and child.  Also, I don't want to be cut off from my children, I want to be invovled in and informed of the day to day care and treatment of my children.

I also realize that your ex made this decision for Dundee.

That is correct.  We had joint custody.  When he signed that contract between him and Dundee, he was basically signing over his parental rights to the staff at the program.  The problem is, he did not have a right to sign over mine.

[Carey]

if i'm not mistaken, those are your comments are they not? and now all of a sudden they are lies? hummmmm

Where did I say those comments you are speaking of were lies?

[Anonymous]

Hmmm - Carey posts e-mails that expose PURE even more, then PURE starts posting e-mails and makes slight changes to make CAREY look less than credible.  Tell ya what, it may be just me, but I appreciate everything carey has shared.  No, you didn't agree with the concept or purpose of a program, wwasp or any program, cuz they basically have the same limitations on phone calls, visits, etc.  What PURE sounds like they did was take your pain and make your cut even deeper.  I feel for you.  Maybe suing them wouldn't heal your pain  - but exposing them to others can make a difference.  You're a strong lady and it's obvious you don't care what other people think - you're doing what needs to be done.