Will Che be honest?

[Inculcated]

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[Anonymous]

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Why did Che Gookin continue to work at a place where he abused innocent children and staff abused other children.  Once a child abuser, always a child abuser.

[Inculcated]

Recommended reading:
The Lucifer Effect by Phillip Zimbardo (Chapter 16 –conclusion particularly)
I found the hypotheses of a substitute paradigm “For a slow assent to goodness” called to mind the cultivation process that some program staff might have experienced in their training.
Consider the “Altruism effect” that may come into play for those undergoing “training”. Zimbardo speculates transformation via the Virtuous Authority experiment, might cause some to “doing ever more extreme “good” actions. The extremes of virtue push him or her all the way to engaging in actions that at first seemed unimaginable.” (p.449)

[Antigen]

Your sarcasm speaks for you character.   You are not showing remorse for pain you inflicted on innocent children under your care.

What, are we in group again?

[Anonymous]

LONG-TERM EFFECTS OF ABUSE

Common problems for abused children include:

emotional problems
behavioral problems
poor performance in school
further abuse
While these effects are not always obvious, they are important.

Long-term studies of low achievers, runaways, drug abusers, prostitutes and incarcerated individuals paint a disturbing picture. Abuse is a consistent and pervasive element in their backgrounds. Low self-esteem and poor self-concept are ever-present.

Knowing this, there can be little doubt that children who are abused, as well as adults who were abused as children, need assistance to resolve the questions that the abuse experience has raised, even if that assistance does not come until years after the abuse.

[Anonymous]

Effects of Che Gookin's abuse

Long-Term Consequences of Child Abuse and Neglect
Child Abuse Basics
By Vincent Iannelli, M.D., About.com
Updated July 15, 2007

About.com Health's Disease and Condition content is reviewed by the Medical Review Board

Filed In:Child Abuse

The impact of child abuse and neglect is far greater than its immediate, visible effects. These experiences can shape child development and have consequences that last years, even lifetimes. Research now shows that the physical, psychological, and behavioral consequences of child abuse and neglect impact not just the child and family, but the community as a whole.
Physical Consequences

The immediate physical effects of abuse can range from relatively minor, such as a bruise or cut, to severe, such as broken bones, internal bleeding, or even death. Longer-term consequences may include:

•Shaken Baby Syndrome (including blindness, learning disabilities, mental retardation, cerebral palsy, or paralysis)
•Impaired brain development
•Lifelong poor physical health

Psychological Consequences

The immediate psychological effects of abuse and neglect—isolation, fear, and a lack of trust—can spiral into long-term mental health consequences including:

•Depression and anxiety
•Low self-esteem
•Difficulty establishing and maintaining relationships
•Eating disorders
•Suicide attempts
Behavioral Consequences
Studies have found abused or neglected children to be at least 25 percent more likely to experience problems in adolescence, including:
•Delinquency
•Teen pregnancy
•Drug use
•Low academic achievement

As adults, children who experienced abuse or neglect have an increased likelihood of criminal behavior, involvement in violent crime, abuse of alcohol and other drugs, and abusive behavior.

For more information, read Long-Term Consequences of Child Abuse and Neglect, from the National Clearinghouse on Child Abuse and Neglect Information, available at http://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/factsh ... uences.cfm.

[Anonymous]

See how cultists act when one their own leaves the fold and speaks out?  This whole thread is ridiculous.  If Che weren't honest, you wouldn't know that he had been a counselor or the details of his program days.  Che confessed, has done a hell of a lot of penance and apologized.  Che's got guts, which is more than can be said for the spineless programee eunuch who started this thread.  Why berate Che for what he did as a counselor when it's obvious he had a cathartic moment and made a decision to speak out against the TTI.  The decision to post on Fornits and acknowledge his experience as a counselor was a ballsy move considering how the members of this biker bar feel about staff.  He's still here, which says a lot.  

That's honest.

[Troll Control]

LONG-TERM EFFECTS OF ABUSE

Common problems for abused children include:

emotional problems
behavioral problems
poor performance in school
further abuse
While these effects are not always obvious, they are important.

Long-term studies of low achievers, runaways, drug abusers, prostitutes and incarcerated individuals paint a disturbing picture. Abuse is a consistent and pervasive element in their backgrounds. Low self-esteem and poor self-concept are ever-present.

Knowing this, there can be little doubt that children who are abused, as well as adults who were abused as children, need assistance to resolve the questions that the abuse experience has raised, even if that assistance does not come until years after the abuse.

I couldn't agree more.  If you put your kid in a "program" they are likely to be abused and show signs of it like those above.  Aspen programs are especially abusive and provide no treatment according to their testimony in a recent lawsuit.

[Anonymous]

LONG-TERM EFFECTS OF ABUSE

Common problems for abused children include:

emotional problems
behavioral problems
poor performance in school
further abuse
While these effects are not always obvious, they are important.

Long-term studies of low achievers, runaways, drug abusers, prostitutes and incarcerated individuals paint a disturbing picture. Abuse is a consistent and pervasive element in their backgrounds. Low self-esteem and poor self-concept are ever-present.

Knowing this, there can be little doubt that children who are abused, as well as adults who were abused as children, need assistance to resolve the questions that the abuse experience has raised, even if that assistance does not come until years after the abuse.

I couldn't agree more.  If you put your kid in a "program" they are likely to be abused and show signs of it like those above.  Aspen programs are especially abusive and provide no treatment according to their testimony in a recent lawsuit.

Effects of child abuse was pointing out the long term problems of innocent victims Che Gookin abused at Pain Rock Valley.

[Anonymous]

See how cultists act when one their own leaves the fold and speaks out?  This whole thread is ridiculous.  If Che weren't honest, you wouldn't know that he had been a counselor or the details of his program days.  Che confessed, has done a hell of a lot of penance and apologized.  Che's got guts, which is more than can be said for the spineless programee eunuch who started this thread.  Why berate Che for what he did as a counselor when it's obvious he had a cathartic moment and made a decision to speak out against the TTI.  The decision to post on Fornits and acknowledge his experience as a counselor was a ballsy move considering how the members of this biker bar feel about staff.  He's still here, which says a lot.  

That's honest.

This is very true.

[Anonymous]

Why did Che Gookin abuse kids at Paint Rock Valley?

The first question, "Why do people abuse other people?" has multiple answers. Some abusers learned to abuse from their parents. Their early history consisted of receiving abuse themselves and/or seeing others abused (one parent abusing the other or their sibling, etc.). As a consequence, abuse is the normal condition of life for these people. Such people internalized a particular relationship dynamic, namely the complementary roles of "abuser" and "victim". They are familiar with and fully understand the terror of being the helpless victim from their own childhood experience. The opposite of being a victim is not simply opting out of abuse; it is instead, to be abusive. Given the choice between being the out-of-control victim, or the in-control abuser, some of these people grow up to prefer the role of the abuser. As they become adults, they simply turn this relationship dynamic around and start acting out the "abuser" side of the relationship dynamic they have learned. By choosing to be the aggressor and abuser, they may get their first sense of taking control over their own destiny and not being at the mercy of others. That they hurt others in the process may go unregistered or only occur as a dim part of their awareness.

[Anonymous]

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See how cultists act when one their own leaves the fold and speaks out? This whole thread is ridiculous. If Che weren't honest, you wouldn't know that he had been a counselor or the details of his program days. Che confessed, has done a hell of a lot of penance and apologized. Che's got guts, which is more than can be said for the spineless programee eunuch who started this thread. Why berate Che for what he did as a counselor when it's obvious he had a cathartic moment and made a decision to speak out against the TTI. The decision to post on Fornits and acknowledge his experience as a counselor was a ballsy move considering how the members of this biker bar feel about staff. He's still here, which says a lot.

That's honest.
Would people on this website forgive the owner of MBA if he confessed to abusing innocent victims?  You should not forget victims will remember Che Gookin as an abuser.

[Anonymous]

You should not forget victims will remember Che Gookin as an abuser.

This is true.

[Whooter]

Why did Che Gookin abuse kids at Paint Rock Valley?

The first question, "Why do people abuse other people?" has multiple answers. Some abusers learned to abuse from their parents. Their early history consisted of receiving abuse themselves and/or seeing others abused (one parent abusing the other or their sibling, etc.). As a consequence, abuse is the normal condition of life for these people. Such people internalized a particular relationship dynamic, namely the complementary roles of "abuser" and "victim". They are familiar with and fully understand the terror of being the helpless victim from their own childhood experience. The opposite of being a victim is not simply opting out of abuse; it is instead, to be abusive. Given the choice between being the out-of-control victim, or the in-control abuser, some of these people grow up to prefer the role of the abuser. As they become adults, they simply turn this relationship dynamic around and start acting out the "abuser" side of the relationship dynamic they have learned. By choosing to be the aggressor and abuser, they may get their first sense of taking control over their own destiny and not being at the mercy of others. That they hurt others in the process may go unregistered or only occur as a dim part of their awareness.

So his parents are really to blame.  Thats an interesting point of view.

[Che Gookin]

So his parents are really to blame.

No.