Aspen Education Group deceptively markets short term invalid

[Whooter]

http://http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CHRG-110hhrg11041839/html/CHRG-110hhrg11041839.htm

Sorry, Deborah happens to be exactly right.  Link above corroborates her assertion and proves Whooter completely wrong.  Wiggle, wiggle.  Squirm, squirm.  Can't change the facts, Whooter.  Behrens was an Aspen employee.  Too bad for you.  You've no credibility left.   :rofl:

If you took the time to read the link you posted you will see that it references "Deborahs letter" nothing else.  You wouldnt feel so dumb if you had bothered to read what you call facts first.... sorry.

So nothing comes up?   No links to the industry?  So the study stands as being independently done.  I think the next step is to determine the outcome of the study and look a little closer at the details.

[Troll Control]

Yet more confirmation of Ellen's employment by Aspen. And I've taken the liberty of screen saving this knowing how dishonest you and the gang of criminals that killed your son are
http://cache.zoominfo.com/cachedpage/?a ... me=Behrens

Youth Care, Inc. (Youth Care Academy and Pine Ridge Academy)

Posted by Tom Croke on Thursday, 9 December 1999, at 3:03 p.m. (eastern time)

We have just learned that Youth Care of Draper, Utah, one of our co-sponsors has just been purchased by Aspen. Robin Stephens will continue as Executive Director. Co owners with Robin, Liz Smith (Pine Ridge Director) and Dr. LePray will not be continuing. Ellen Behrens will be clinical director.

We will certainly miss Dr. LePray and Liz Smith, but have the highest regard for Robin and Ellen. We at FamilyLight Consultants have long wanted to see more Youth Care / Pine Ridge beds available, as we believe these are the finest programs of their kinds available.

As much as we have nostalgia for the days of Youth Care, Inc. as a stand alone organization, we respect the fact that Aspen has generally maintained the quality of their acquisitions. We can at least hope for some addtional beds similar to what is offered at Pine Ridge and Youth Care. And we are proud to have an Aspen affiliate as one of our co-sponsors.

Best wishes to Robin and Ellen, as well as Liz and Dr. L.

Tom Croke

Sorry to bother anyone, but this link was posted a few pages ago.  It also shows that Ms. Behrens drew her paycheck from Aspen while working at one of Aspen's programs.  I hope you all read it.  I can't think of any other "tie" to Aspen you'd need, as she was employed directly by Aspen.

[Whooter]

Yet more confirmation of Ellen's employment by Aspen. And I've taken the liberty of screen saving this knowing how dishonest you and the gang of criminals that killed your son are
http://cache.zoominfo.com/cachedpage/?a ... me=Behrens

Youth Care, Inc. (Youth Care Academy and Pine Ridge Academy)

Posted by Tom Croke on Thursday, 9 December 1999, at 3:03 p.m. (eastern time)

We have just learned that Youth Care of Draper, Utah, one of our co-sponsors has just been purchased by Aspen. Robin Stephens will continue as Executive Director. Co owners with Robin, Liz Smith (Pine Ridge Director) and Dr. LePray will not be continuing. Ellen Behrens will be clinical director.

We will certainly miss Dr. LePray and Liz Smith, but have the highest regard for Robin and Ellen. We at FamilyLight Consultants have long wanted to see more Youth Care / Pine Ridge beds available, as we believe these are the finest programs of their kinds available.

As much as we have nostalgia for the days of Youth Care, Inc. as a stand alone organization, we respect the fact that Aspen has generally maintained the quality of their acquisitions. We can at least hope for some addtional beds similar to what is offered at Pine Ridge and Youth Care. And we are proud to have an Aspen affiliate as one of our co-sponsors.

Best wishes to Robin and Ellen, as well as Liz and Dr. L.

Tom Croke

Sorry to bother anyone, but this link was posted a few pages ago.  It also shows that Ms. Behrens drew her paycheck from Aspen while working at one of Aspen's programs.  I hope you all read it.  I can't think of any other "tie" to Aspen you'd need, as she was employed directly by Aspen.

No bother, we already addressed this and there is no evidence that Ellen took the job she was offered at Youth Care.  All the other past directors show up in google searches but not hers.  But it looks like that was 10+ years ago anyway so it wouldnt effect the time frame the study was done.  All the evidence shows she only draws a paycheck from her research firm.

So based on the study being independent what other issues are there with this study.  Someone mentioned they would like to see how the data was collected.

[RMA Survivor]

I think clearly she was previously connected with and therefore biased in favor of Aspen when the study was conducted.  As for the study itself, I read it and found the basis for which they draw their conclusions to be based entirely on meaningless and non-scientific methods.  Additionally, as it has already been made clear, the study is permanently flawed by virtue of the fact the Aspen has admitted they do not offer or provide either therapy or treatment, thus any claims to successes based on ties to therapy and treatment are factually wrong.  

Your twisted circle-logic is no longer going to be enough to demonstrate that this study was either independently conducted, or valid in any fashion.  But one thing I am certain of, that won't stop you from continuing to try and push this study as being valid.

[Whooter]

I think clearly she was previously connected with and therefore biased in favor of Aspen when the study was conducted.  As for the study itself, I read it and found the basis for which they draw their conclusions to be based entirely on meaningless and non-scientific methods.  Additionally, as it has already been made clear, the study is permanently flawed by virtue of the fact the Aspen has admitted they do not offer or provide either therapy or treatment, thus any claims to successes based on ties to therapy and treatment are factually wrong.  
Your twisted circle-logic is no longer going to be enough to demonstrate that this study was either independently conducted, or valid in any fashion.  But one thing I am certain of, that won't stop you from continuing to try and push this study as being valid.

Where is it said that they dont provide therapy or treatment?  I have read back through the thread an all I can find is a law suit from NorthStar, but nothing about the other programs.  Is there a link of some type?  I would like to take a read on it.

As far as the study being valid you are welcome to your opinion.  I dont expect anyone to change it not intended to.  You have made up your mind as many have here and no study is going to change that.  But there are many people who welcome the information and services that these independent research firms offer.  I for one wish there were more studies done more often.  This study and ones like it are going to be the driving force to effect change in the industry and drive its direction.

Look at how hard everyone pounded the table demanding that kids be aloowed to write letters home without staff proof reading them and now we see this is happening.. real time... today by a source who has a son in Aspen Ranch.  This is good stuff and fornits was part of it and I feel I was a big part of have those changes implimented also.  Change is happening, try to recognize it and push for more.  Its all good stuff RMA

[Anonymous]

Jesus Christ, just fuck off already. Do you think everyone reading this just missed the lawyers successfully arguing that no therapy was happening?

This is all the words I'll waste on you. The rest of you, go get politically active instead of wasting time arguing with this clown. It changes nothing and affects nothing.

[Whooter]

Jesus Christ, just fuck off already. Do you think everyone reading this just missed the lawyers successfully arguing that no therapy was happening?

This is all the words I'll waste on you. The rest of you, go get politically active instead of wasting time arguing with this clown. It changes nothing and affects nothing.

Who/JD, they mean at NorthStar, not all programs.  There was a counselor who wasnt licensed and Apsen lawyers argued that the counselor didnt need to follow the Hipaa laws because they were not under the direction of licensed therapist.  But to answer your question NO!!  THEY DIDNT MEAN "ALL" ASPEN PROGRAMS, JUST THE ONE COUNSELOR AT NORTHSTAR. Everyone is just trying to pull your crank, so stop fucking talking about it you made your point.

[Anonymous]

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Yet more confirmation of Ellen's employment by Aspen. And I've taken the liberty of screen saving this knowing how dishonest you and the gang of criminals that killed your son are
http://cache.zoominfo.com/cachedpage/?a ... me=Behrens

Youth Care, Inc. (Youth Care Academy and Pine Ridge Academy)

Posted by Tom Croke on Thursday, 9 December 1999, at 3:03 p.m. (eastern time)

We have just learned that Youth Care of Draper, Utah, one of our co-sponsors has just been purchased by Aspen. Robin Stephens will continue as Executive Director. Co owners with Robin, Liz Smith (Pine Ridge Director) and Dr. LePray will not be continuing. Ellen Behrens will be clinical director.

We will certainly miss Dr. LePray and Liz Smith, but have the highest regard for Robin and Ellen. We at FamilyLight Consultants have long wanted to see more Youth Care / Pine Ridge beds available, as we believe these are the finest programs of their kinds available.

As much as we have nostalgia for the days of Youth Care, Inc. as a stand alone organization, we respect the fact that Aspen has generally maintained the quality of their acquisitions. We can at least hope for some addtional beds similar to what is offered at Pine Ridge and Youth Care. And we are proud to have an Aspen affiliate as one of our co-sponsors.

Best wishes to Robin and Ellen, as well as Liz and Dr. L.

Tom Croke

A copy of Tom Croke welcoming Ellen Behrens to Youth care, as new clinical director. One of the many links that jd 'missed.'

[Anonymous]

Jesus Christ, just fuck off already. Do you think everyone reading this just missed the lawyers successfully arguing that no therapy was happening?

This is all the words I'll waste on you. The rest of you, go get politically active instead of wasting time arguing with this clown. It changes nothing and affects nothing.

Who/JD, they mean at NorthStar, not all programs.  There was a counselor who wasnt licensed and Apsen lawyers argued that the counselor didnt need to follow the Hipaa laws because they were not under the direction of licensed therapist.  But to answer your question NO!!  THEY DIDNT MEAN "ALL" ASPEN PROGRAMS, JUST THE ONE COUNSELOR AT NORTHSTAR. Everyone is just trying to pull your crank, so stop fucking talking about it you made your point.

j.d. talking to himself, again. Scary man.

[Troll Control]

Lawsuit clearly states the defense lawyers are from "Aspen Education Group" and those lawyers made the case that Aspen programs offer no therapy or treatment.  I take them at their word over the poster here obsessed with trying to turn the truth upside-down (aka TheWho, Whooter, John D. Reuben, et al).

Why do we need TheWho's opinion on this when the court record shows Aspen provides no treatment?

I believe the court records, not some hack troll from STICC (an Aspen feeder group).

[Whooter]

Lawsuit clearly states the defense lawyers are from "Aspen Education Group" and those lawyers made the case that Aspen programs offer no therapy or treatment.  I take them at their word over the poster here obsessed with trying to turn the truth upside-down (aka TheWho, Whooter, John D. Reuben, et al).

Why do we need TheWho's opinion on this when the court record shows Aspen provides no treatment?

I believe the court records, not some hack troll from STICC (an Aspen feeder group).

Looks like you are wrong.  Here is a link to the court records that Ursus posted.  Look at the bottom of the page #2:


2 The parties seem to agree that although Trudy Godat was not licenced, one member of Matthew Pence's "treatment team" was a licenced therapist.


Court Records

[Troll Control]

Lawsuit clearly states the defense lawyers are from "Aspen Education Group" and those lawyers made the case that Aspen programs offer no therapy or treatment.  I take them at their word over the poster here obsessed with trying to turn the truth upside-down (aka TheWho, Whooter, John D. Reuben, et al).

Why do we need TheWho's opinion on this when the court record shows Aspen provides no treatment?

I believe the court records, not some hack troll from STICC (an Aspen feeder group).

Aspen's program also says that all couselors are therapists on their website, indicating legal licensure, but in court they said their counselors are not therapists and that they are unlicensed.  They either lied in court or are advertising falsely.  Either way, they can't be trusted to tell the truth to parents.

And, if the 'counselor' was working on a 'treatment team' with a 'licensed therapist' then that would mean that the counselor was 'under the supervision of a licensed therapist' which Aspen denied at the hearing.  Apparently, this 'therapist' had no ties to the 'counselor' or the 'treatment team' assigned to the boy.

[Whooter]

Lawsuit clearly states the defense lawyers are from "Aspen Education Group" and those lawyers made the case that Aspen programs offer no therapy or treatment.  I take them at their word over the poster here obsessed with trying to turn the truth upside-down (aka TheWho, Whooter, John D. Reuben, et al).

Why do we need TheWho's opinion on this when the court record shows Aspen provides no treatment?

I believe the court records, not some hack troll from STICC (an Aspen feeder group).

Aspen's program also says that all couselors are therapists on their website, indicating legal licensure, but in court they said their counselors are not therapists and that they are unlicensed.  They either lied in court or are advertising falsely.  Either way, they can't be trusted to tell the truth to parents.

And, if the 'counselor' was working on a 'treatment team' with a 'licensed therapist' then that would mean that the counselor was 'under the supervision of a licensed therapist' which Aspen denied at the hearing.  Apparently, this 'therapist' had no ties to the 'counselor' or the 'treatment team' assigned to the boy.

Harless was the director of North Star.  she wasnt working for a licensed person.  Why dont you read the Court Records?

The court agrees with defendants that Harless's alleged disclosure of Matthew Pence's confessions to police was not an extreme transgression of the bounds of socially tolerable conduct. Matthew Pence's IIED claim therefore fails as a matter of law.

Court Records

[Troll Control]

But their website says all counselors are therapists.

See?  http://http://www.northstarcenter.com/drugtreatmentterms.html#honorcode

So are they advertising falsely or did they lie in court.  We have to get to the bottom if it.  Both statements can't be true, but they were both made by Aspen.

[Ursus]

Lawsuit clearly states the defense lawyers are from "Aspen Education Group" and those lawyers made the case that Aspen programs offer no therapy or treatment.  I take them at their word over the poster here obsessed with trying to turn the truth upside-down (aka TheWho, Whooter, John D. Reuben, et al).

Why do we need TheWho's opinion on this when the court record shows Aspen provides no treatment?

I believe the court records, not some hack troll from STICC (an Aspen feeder group).

Aspen's program also says that all couselors are therapists on their website, indicating legal licensure, but in court they said their counselors are not therapists and that they are unlicensed.  They either lied in court or are advertising falsely.  Either way, they can't be trusted to tell the truth to parents.

And, if the 'counselor' was working on a 'treatment team' with a 'licensed therapist' then that would mean that the counselor was 'under the supervision of a licensed therapist' which Aspen denied at the hearing.  Apparently, this 'therapist' had no ties to the 'counselor' or the 'treatment team' assigned to the boy.

Harless was the director of North Star.  she wasnt working for a licensed person.  Why dont you read the Court Records?

The court agrees with defendants that Harless's alleged disclosure of Matthew Pence's confessions to police was not an extreme transgression of the bounds of socially tolerable conduct. Matthew Pence's IIED claim therefore fails as a matter of law.

Court Records

Whooter, you addressed one claim out of the five, and try to make it appear as if that were the whole case.

I would strongly suggest that people follow the link and read for themselves. This was a request for summary judgment brought by both parties, and the court was unable to rule on the last three of five claims. These were:

III. Third Claim - Negligent Provision of Mental Health Tx
IV. Fourth Claim - Breach of Confidential Relationship
V. Fifth Claim - Punitive Damages[/list]

As soon as I posted the case last night, Whooter began with a veritable barrage of obfuscating and misleading posts, quoting parts that were discussion material as if they were conclusion material, and ignoring the ruling on its face.

Presumably, this case continued to trial. However, I have been unable to find any mention of it. Does anyone know whether Aspen settled this out of court to prevent further exposure of the issues raised?