Author Topic: Long-Term Outcome Studies (Read 18455 times)

Whooter · « **Reply #105 on:** September 27, 2009, 07:02:19 PM »

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I'm wondering how anyone can study the effects of something they claim not to provide? This will require some explaining.

Nobody has answered this yet. How can Aspen study something they deny even offering? Study is obviously fraudulent.

They are studying the effects of the program they were in. Some might have received therapy and treatment and others may not have received any at all. Think of it as a study where some of the patients receive a placebe and others receive treatment. Whether they got any treatment at all doesnt matter because they are measuring the outcome.

RMA Survivor · « **Reply #106 on:** September 28, 2009, 02:04:11 PM »

I will just think about the placebo aspect. As they received nothing, thus success is guaranteed.

Whooter · « **Reply #107 on:** September 28, 2009, 02:10:08 PM »

Quote from: "RMA Survivor"

I will just think about the placebo aspect. As they received nothing, thus success is guaranteed.

Exactly, the main thing is that the check cleared and the kid moves on down a healthier path.

Troll Control · « **Reply #108 on:** September 28, 2009, 06:02:36 PM »

This is the second time TheWho has made this comment. Interestingly, in both instances, he mentioned the money first, then the child. Very revealing indeed. This is the way he thinks: money first. Hence, he has a dead kid. The checks were clearing, so all was good. Now Mike is dead because of his father's actions.

If Mike was stack of money being controlled by others, Reuben would have made sure he came home right away. But Reuben, lacking normal human emotions, just sat at home with his favorite adopted son, the Geico Money Stack, and forgot about Mike. And Max, too, but that's another story.

Troll Control · « **Reply #109 on:** September 28, 2009, 07:04:28 PM »

This is what I've been saying all along. This guy has some real problems. It's not funny. It's sad. And now everyone can see how immature and selfish this guy is and why he failed a as a father. Sadly, this describes a lot of these parents using Aspen programs to raise their kids for them.

Whooter · « **Reply #110 on:** September 29, 2009, 09:24:09 AM »

Quote from: "Oscar"

The outcome of any research is depending of who is paying the bill for this research.

That is no reason to discard it entirely, you just need to keep in mind that there could be a bias.

Troll Control · « **Reply #111 on:** September 29, 2009, 12:09:03 PM »

Quote from: "Guest"

This is the second time TheWho has made this comment. Interestingly, in both instances, he mentioned the money first, then the child. Very revealing indeed. This is the way he thinks: money first. Hence, he has a dead kid. The checks were clearing, so all was good. Now Mike is dead because of his father's actions.

If Mike was stack of money being controlled by others, Reuben would have made sure he came home right away. But Reuben, lacking normal human emotions, just sat at home with his favorite adopted son, the Geico Money Stack, and forgot about Mike. And Max, too, but that's another story.

Yep, sad but true. Aspen sees only dollar signs just like their pimps (TheWho, John Reuben). It is indeed very revealing that in two comments TheWho stressed the importance of the money over the child. It's a window into his twisted world view.

Anonymous · « **Reply #112 on:** October 04, 2009, 02:26:56 PM »

Jan Moss applies the "study" of 9 Aspen programs to entire industry
Disclosure Statement: Aspen Education Group provided funding for this study.
http://www.natsap.org/Outcome%20Study.doc

Whooter · « **Reply #113 on:** October 04, 2009, 02:58:28 PM »

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Jan Moss applies the "study" of 9 Aspen programs to entire industry
Disclosure Statement: Aspen Education Group provided funding for this study.
http://www.natsap.org/Outcome%20Study.doc

Quote from: "Guest"

Social conflict and aggressive behaviors decrease. Reduction of these self-defeating behaviors continues post-graduation, with greatest improvement shown at the 12-month follow-up assessment.

These results suggest that Aspen Education Group's wilderness therapy programs are teaching important emotion regulation skills, as well as providing a climate for adolescents to rehearse newly acquired strategies to manage negative emotions such as worry, sadness, and anger. Overall findings provide considerable support for the use of wilderness therapy programs in treating resistant adolescents.

Research conducted by: Ellen Behrens, Ph.D., Canyon Research & Consulting, Inc.; Sarah (Salli) Lewis, Ph.D. and Ellen Leen-Feldner, Center for Research, Assessment, and Treatment Efficacy and Arkansas Institute of Developmental Science; Keith Russell, Ph.D., Outdoor Behavioral Healthcare Research Cooperative, University of Minnesota.

Whooter · « **Reply #114 on:** October 04, 2009, 03:04:16 PM »

There was hint that the results for kids with depression was "off the charts". Meaning the activity that programs offer seems to be just the thing for kids suffering from depression. There was a study in the early 1990's which suggested this but I never saw any outcome.

This is encouraging. Thanks for finding the thread,I thought it was lost.

Anonymous · « **Reply #115 on:** October 04, 2009, 04:08:33 PM »

Quote from: "Bonwit Teller"

There was hint that the results for kids with depression was "off the charts". Meaning the activity that programs offer seems to be just the thing for kids suffering from depression. There was a study in the early 1990's which suggested this but I never saw any outcome.

This is encouraging. Thanks for finding the thread,I thought it was lost.

OBVIOUSLY youve never been in a program or you would KNOW these programs CAUSE depression in some individuals.

Whooter · « **Reply #116 on:** October 04, 2009, 04:13:14 PM »

Quote from: "Guest"

Quote from: "Bonwit Teller"
There was hint that the results for kids with depression was "off the charts". Meaning the activity that programs offer seems to be just the thing for kids suffering from depression. There was a study in the early 1990's which suggested this but I never saw any outcome.

This is encouraging. Thanks for finding the thread,I thought it was lost.
OBVIOUSLY youve never been in a program or you would KNOW these programs CAUSE depression in some individuals.

No I havent. I am a parent so I need to rely on studies when I can find them and talking to other parents who had kids go to one of them.

Anonymous · « **Reply #117 on:** October 04, 2009, 04:27:26 PM »

Dear lord in Heaven. In a fraction of the time you people spend in a circle jerk with Who, you could go get the damn facts and post them. Course, by page 2, he knew that any rational person had stopped reading and only got his propoganda.

1999 Behrens Clinical Director for Youth care
http://cache.zoominfo.com/cachedpage/?a ... me=Behrens

2002 Founded Canyon Research
http://canyonrc.com/experience.html

2003 - 2005 Behrens conducting surveys
http://www.strugglingteens.com/news/pre ... 060817.htm

2004 Behrens doing Consulting for AEG
http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/p ... 0626.shtml

2006 Behrens completes her survey results passed off as Independent Study
http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/p ... 5360.shtml
"We also tried to eliminate all students discharged from the programs before graduation because the clinical staff thought it was actually an inappropriate placement, or when they felt the program couldn't be helpful to the child. As a result, the operating assumption of the study is that the students included in the analyzed data were those who were appropriately placed."

http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/p ... 5494.shtml
Comment: ....It would be helpful to know more about Dr. Behren’s research design and methodology. I presume she drew a random sample for the study; otherwise, the results cannot be generalized to the school/residential population at large.
Jerry W Clark
Dba Behavioral Services Ltd
Reno, NV

No Jerry, she didn't. Families from 9 Aspen programs participated in her "study". She and all her staff have links to Aspen programs.
http://www.natsap.org/Behrens.doc

Jan Moss applies the "study" of 9 Aspen programs to entire industry
Disclosure Statement: Aspen Education Group provided funding for this study.
http://www.natsap.org/Outcome%20Study.doc

2006 Behrens is a contributor to NATSAPs "Journal of Therapeutic Schools and Programs.
http://www.strugglingteens.com/artman/p ... 5456.shtml

ASPEN EDUCATION GROUP APPLAUDS STUDY
(April 26, 2007) According to an article on PRNewswire, Elliot Sainer, President of Aspen Education Group (AEG), Cerritos, CA, announced "AEG is extremely pleased to learn of the very positive findings from the final phase of our industry's first long-term, multi-year clinical study on the effectiveness of private therapeutic residential programs for adolescents. AEG will continue to advocate for new industry research that will further illustrate and promote the best practices and methodologies and enhance our industry's abilities to produce positive and long-lasting results in adolescent therapeutic education."

I guess he was pleased. He paid her to present AEG in the best possible light.

Anonymous · « **Reply #118 on:** October 04, 2009, 04:42:19 PM »

Correction: The Disclaimer is here
http://www.natsap.org/Behrens.doc
Jan Moss applies the "study" of 9 Aspen programs to entire industry
Disclosure Statement: Aspen Education Group provided funding for this study.

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