i'm refusing to go back.

[blombrowski]

Focus people,

This was Anya's original post on Fornits...

i'm going to end up at one of the following residential treatment centers. is there any known problems with any of them that i can bring to my mom with solid evidence? i don't wanna end up somewhere unsafe...

1.Lake Grove
2. St. Anne's
3. The Charlton School
4. Vanderhayden Hall
5. West Park
6. Greenburgh North Castle
7. Greenburgh Graham
8. Harmony Heights
9. Hawthorne Cedar Knolls
10. Summit School

Two things typically happen to a minor who AWOL's from one of these programs.  They either end up in a secure facility such as a psychiatric hospital, until they're "stabilized" and sent back to the program, or the school district re-evaluates and can do one of two things, either send them to a day program or send them to a more restrictive residential program.  Realistically, jail isn't in the cards for Anya, unless she turns to illegal street survival activities, which is unlikely.  She said she wasn't returning to the residential program, she didn't say she was running away from home.  This deadorinjail conversation is moot.  With a list of programs like that, my guess is that the reason why Anya is in a program is simply truancy.

If the parents try to get her back to the program and she refuses, child welfare can be called in for educational neglect.

Seriously, Anya, if you're reading this get the hold of a good advocate.  If you think you can make it on your own, file for emancipation.  If there's abuse going on at your program, tell someone.  Clearly something happened between when you were content with your placement, and not wanting to go back.

[Anonymous]

-They are allowed to beat you if they feel threatened. For example: you're in a holding pen with ten other people. two of them decide to fight. Guards will storm in and kick everyone's ass.
-If you try to escape, they can use deadly force
-You will be locked up with people who are serious criminals, not misbehaved teenagers.
-the food is even worse than any TBS. It's always reject food that isnt fit to be sold in supermarkets.
-if there is a violent event, you may be tased, pepper-sprayed, shot with bean bags and rubber bullets, and possibly shot with real bullets.
-The strip searches for jail are much more in-depth.
-there are no toilet stalls in jail


all of these things can happen in a TBS, but they are rare.

What makes you think they're rare in TBS?

[Anonymous]

What makes you think they're rare in TBS?

common sense.

[Anonymous]

Anya, contact lawyers until you find one who will help. Get in touch with Phil Elberg; he can point you in the right direction. Your lawyer will guide you through finding a shelter, emancipation, and everything you need to do to avoid imprisonment without due process and organized abuse.

Simply running away blindly is a bad idea

[Anonymous]

no jesus=heavy metal
heavy metal=drugs
drugs=sex
sex=money
money=evil
evil=deadinsaneorinjail

[Anonymous]

I noticed thewho (john reuben?) exclaiming it's great "good" kids are imprisoned without due process alongside their "bad" ones. It's no wonder your kid killed himself, John.  A kid parented by such a merciless, soul is likely to reach a sad end

Abusive parents (like John Reuben) do abduct and imprison their kids in for-rent gulag with the understanding that because their kid wasn't attending school, such evil is an appropriate response. All the while, the 'real' reason they do it is their personal psychological and moral deficiency. Abusive people rationalize evil with the notion their victim "deserves" it, or it "helps" their victim in some way.

When they do admit, they will usually attempt to minimize their abuse by making excuses, blaming others, blaming the victim, or by rationalizing their behavior in other ways.

"Normal," non-abusive parent respond to the issue with their kids in a tolerant, respectful, non-abusive fashion. (famously, one DJ from "the misshapes" simply escaped to an uncle's empty apartment and bummed around a long while when he was 14. The parents tolerated their dissatisfied successful attempt to find a more fulfilling environment http://nymag.com/nightlife/features/37244/ ). Abusively, dominating, controlling and cruel parents pay to have them abducted and imprisoned.

In fact, most times, by their very actions “program parents”  create the issue of  “school avoidance.”

Symptoms of child abuse
 Some of the possible symptoms include loss of self-esteem, school avoidance, and running away from home.

Furthermore, abusive program parents misunderstand truancy, avoidance, or suspension as "not going to school"--- a permanent condition.

Meanwhile, ‘normal" parents dealing with truant teens properly recognize it as a temporary situation, not an everlasting fate.

Here is a partial list of people from normal parents who "worked with" and tolerated their kids after they dropped out, instead of torturing them. When you don't torture your kids when they displease you, you tend to end up with child who has a better long term quality of life.

Unfortunately, I don’t think program parents are genuinely motivated with the intention of creating a tolerable quality of life for their kid


http://www.education-reform.net/dropouts2.htm

Part Two
   
Shaun Kerry, M.D.
Diplomate, American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology
   
 • H.G. Wells.......best-selling British author

     • Jim Clark........self-made billionaire  American businessman; founder of "Netscape"; first Internet billionaire (17, U.S. Navy)

     • Jimmy Dean..........singer-songwriter-actor; self-made multimillionaire American businessman; founder of the "Jimmy Dean
   
Foods" brand sausage business (16, U.S. Merchant Marines; 18, U.S. Air Force)

     • Andrew Jackson......7th U.S. President; face is pictured on the U.S. twenty dollar bill (13, U.S. Continental Army; orphaned at 14; little formal education; home schooling/life experience; studied law in his late teens and became a lawyer)
     • Leon Uris..........best-selling American author (Exodus, etc.) (17, U.S. Marines)

     • Walter L. Smith.....former president of Florida A&M University (equivalency diploma, at age 23)

     • W. Clement Stone....self-made multimillionaire (some sources indicate billionaire) American businessman-author; founder of "Success" magazine (elementary school dropout; later attended high-school night courses and then some college)

     • Jack London.......best-selling American author (dropped out at 14 to work; later gained admission to the University of California; left after one semester)

     • Arthur Ernest Morgan....American flood-control engineer; college  president-author; appointed by President Roosevelt to be director of the Tennessee Valley Authority public works project (left high school after three years; later attended the University of Colorado for six weeks)

     • Ray Charles.........singer-pianist; Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductee

     • Cher......Oscar-winning actress-singer

     • Maurice Chevalier.... Oscar-winning actor-singer; French Legion of Honor inductee/Medal recipient (note: rank bestowed in 1938

     • Pierce Brosnan......actor

     • Ellen Burnstyn......Oscar-winning actress

     • Raymond Burr.......actor

     • Sammy Cahn.......... Oscar-winning American songwriter-composer

     • Michael Caine.......Oscar-winning actor; knighted (United Kingdom: Sir Michael Caine)

     • Glen Campbell.......country music star

     • Daniel Gilbert......Harvard University psychology professor (equivalency diploma)

     • Dizzy Gillespie.....musician-composer (received honorary diploma from high school he attended)

     • Patrick Henry.......American Revolutionary War era politician; Virginia's first governor; famous quote: "Give me liberty, or give me death!" (little formal education; home schooling/life experience; later studied on his own and earned a law degree)

     • Peter Jennings......Canadian-born American television journalist; evening news anchorman

     • Ansel Adams.........American wilderness photographer; photography book author; Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient

     • Julie Andrews.......Oscar-winning actress-singer

     • Louis Armstrong.....singer-musician

     • Brooke Astor........wealthy American socialite-philanthropist-author; Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient

     • Pearl Bailey........singer-actress; Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient

     • Lucille Ball........actress-comedienne-producer; Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient

     • Bill Bartman........self-made billionaire American businessman

     • Count Basie.........bandleader-pianist

     • Jack Benny.......... comedian-actor-violinist

     • Humphrey Bogart.....Oscar-winning actor

     • Peter Bogdanovich....Oscar-nominated American film director-screenwriter (The Last Picture Show, Paper Moon, Mask, etc.)

     • Whoopie Goldberg....Oscar-winning actress-comedienne

     • Benny Goodman.....bandleader-clarinetist

     • Lew Grade.........British film/TV producer (TV: The Avengers, The Saint, Secret Agent, The Prisoner, The Muppet Show, etc.); knighted (United Kingdom: Sir Lew Grade)

     • Philip Emeagwali....supercomputer scientist; one of the pioneers of the Internet (high-IQ high-school dropout; left school in native Nigeria due to war conditions and lack of tuition money; continued to study on his own and earned an equivalency diploma; later won a scholarship to Oregon College of Education in the United States; transferred after one year to Oregon State University)

     • Danny Thomas........actor-producer-humanitarian (actor: Make Room for Daddy/The Danny Thomas Show; co-producer: The Dick Van Dyke Show, The Andy Griffith Show, etc.); Congressional Gold Medal recipient

     • Peter Ustinov.......Oscar-winning actor

     • Hiram Stevens.......American-born engineering inventor; knighted (United Kingdom: Sir Hiram Stevens)

     • Patrick Stewart..... actor-writer-producer-director; former captain of the Enterprise on TV's Star Trek: The Next Generation and in films.

     • Kemmons Wilson.......self-made multimillionaire American businessman; founder of the "Holiday Inn" hotel chain

     • Kjell Inge Rokke.....self-made billionaire Norwegian businessman

     • David Puttnam.......Oscar-winning British film producer (Chariots of Fire, Midnight Express, etc.); knighted (United Kingdom: Sir David Puttnam)

     • Anthony Quinn.......Oscar-winning actor

     • Julie London....... singer-actress

     • Sophia Loren.......Oscar-winning actress; best-selling Italian-born author; former model (elementary school dropout)

     • Joe Louis..........boxer; Congressional Gold Medal recipient

     • Roy Rogers..........actor-singer-guitarist

     • Walter Nash.......New Zealand Prime Minister 1957-1960; knighted (United Kingdom: Sir Walter Nash)

     • Olivia Newton-John.... singer-actress; British-born Australian author

     • Rosa Parks.........U.S. civil rights activist-pioneer; Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient; Congressional Gold Medal recipient

     • Mary Pickford......Oscar-winning actress; early Hollywood pioneer; co-founder of "United Artists Corporation" (little formal education [six months]; home schooling/life experience)

     • Sydney Poitier.....Oscar-winning actor (elementary school dropout)

     • Frederick "Freddy" Laker.... self-made multimillionaire British businessman; airline entrepreneur; knighted (United Kingdom: Sir Frederick [or Freddy] Laker)

     • Tommy Lasorda...... baseball team manager; National Baseball Hall of Fame inductee

     • David Lean.........Oscar-winning British film director (Lawrence of Arabia, Dr .Zhivago, etc.); knighted (United Kingdom: Sir David Lean)

     • Anton van Leeuwenhoek....Dutch microscope maker; world's first microbiologist; discoverer of bacteria, blood cells, and sperm cells)

     • Richard Branson.....self-made billionaire British businessman; founder of "Virgin Atlantic Airways," "Virgin Records," etc.; knighted (United Kingdom: Sir Richard Branson)

     • Isaac Merrit Singer....American sewing machine inventor; self-made multimillionaire founder of "Singer Industries," "I.M. Singer and Company," etc. (elementary school dropout)

     • Alfred E. Smith.....New York Governor; 1928 Democratic U.S. Presidential candidate (elementary school dropout)

     • Charles Chaplin.....Oscar-winning actor-writer-director-producer; knighted (United Kingdom: Sir Charles [or Charlie] Chaplin) (elementary school dropout)

     • Sean Connery........Oscar-winning actor; knighted (United Kingdom: Sir Sean Connery)

     • Jack Kent Cooke.....self-made billionaire Canadian-born American media businessman

     • Noel Coward.........Oscar-winning actor-director-producer-playwright-composer; knighted (United Kingdom: Sir Noel Coward) (elementary school dropout)

     • Joan Crawford....... Oscar-winning actress; former dancer

     • Charles E. Culpeper....self-made multimillionaire American businessman; early 1900s' owner and head of "The Coca Cola Bottling Company"

     • Robert De Niro......Oscar-winning actor-producer; knighted (France: Chevalier [Knight] of the Legion of Honor; Chevalier [or Chev.] Robert De Niro)

     • Gerard Depardieu....Oscar-nominated actor; knighted (France: Chevalier [or Chev.] Gerard Depardieu) (elementary school dropout)

     • Richard Desmond.....self-made billionaire British publisher

     • Thomas Dolby........ musician-composer; music producer

     • Joe Lewis........self-made billionaire British businessman

     • Carl Lindner.......self-made billionaire American businessman

     • John Llewellyn.....U.S. Labor leader pioneer; for 40 years until his retirement, president of the United Mine Workers' Union

     • Marcus Loew........self-made multimillionaire American businessman; early Hollywood pioneer; founder of the "Loews" movie-theater chain; co-founder of "MGM" studios (elementary school dropout)

     • Mary Lyon.........American women's education pioneer; early American teacher; founder of Mount Holyoke College (America's first women's college)

     • Sonny Bono...........singer-songwriter-actor; U.S. Congressman (California U.S. Representative)

     • Duke Ellington......Oscar-nominated American composer-bandleader; Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient

     • Ella Fitzgerald.....singer; Presidential Medal of Freedom recipient

     • Aretha Franklin....singer; Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductee

     • Horace Greeley.... American newspaper publisher-editor; U.S. Congressman; 1872 U.S. Presidential candidate; co-founder of the Republican party in the United States

     • Thomas Haffa......self-made double-digit billionaire German media businessman

     • J.R. Simplot.......self-made billionaire American agricultural businessman

     • Robert Maxwell.....self-made billionaire British publisher

     • Rod McKuen.........best-selling American poet (elementary school dropout)

[Anonymous]

Guest,
If you are going to quote someone in your post, please use the quote feature properly.
Curious George does say a lot of stupid and contradictory things, but you can’t get whatever point you were trying to make across if one cannot differentiate between your words and CG’s

"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is s history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and for my own part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel"..Thomas Paine

"The Bible. That is what fools have written, what imbeciles command, what rogues teach and young children are made to learn by heart"...Voltaire

"You believe in a book which has talking animals, wizards, witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical, absurd and primitive storeis; and you say that I am the one who is mentally ill?" - Dan Barker

Is that better.  I mean you do have to be seriously hallucinating to even read the code so this represents quite and effort



"Guest

[Che Gookin]

So it's not CALO.. Thank fucking god.. though some of those names on that list aren't anymore reassuring.

[Anonymous]

So it's not CALO.. Thank fucking god.. though some of those names on that list aren't anymore reassuring.

Thank god it's not Pain Rock Valley where you abused children.

[Anonymous]

qg

Guest, what do you stand for?  against?  Do you even know?

CG

Why don't you keep your focus and answer that. Whatever happened to your interest in CALO? Are you so busy with coming off like an internet badass that you've abandoned that?

Because he, she or it is a troll. :nods:   He may really intend to "shut" CALO down (apparantly for not punishing its kid enough and it wants its money back) but it is doing troley things, so its a troll.  It is a homophobic, misogynistic, religion- intoxicated, foul-mouth, hair-trigger bully who tries to be down-with-the-hood cool in his threats but all it reall wants to do is ::poke::   He was even given his own forum but it has more fun annoying you guys.
And his :blabla:  :blabla: is sounding more and familiar, more stylistically like another troll who likes to annoy.
Perhaps it has a monetary interest to protect.  It could put its energies into what it said it wanted to do but noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo he finally found people who actually pay attention to hi :blabla:
Oh well, at least the responses are interesting.

[Che Gookin]

So it's not CALO.. Thank fucking god.. though some of those names on that list aren't anymore reassuring.

Thank god it's not Pain Rock Valley where they are still  abusing children to this very day and at this very second.

fixed it for you.

[Anonymous]

Thank god it's not Pain Rock Valley where they are still abusing children to this very day and at this very second.

 

I fixed it for you.  Thank god it's not Paint Rock Valley where you abused innocent children like they are this very second.

[Curious George]

qg

Well actually I'm a conservative libertarian, so your psycho-babble is way off.  You also are very predictable, you can't handle your own B.S.  You even believe it.

My goal IS to shut down CALO.  Also have other goals which many of you are helping.  So thank you, all of you, even the idiots, you are doing your job, that's why I still post here.

Legal processes churn slowly, you should know this.  There are things like demands, discovery, motions etc etc.  But rest assured they will happen.  I'll announce it when the time is right.   When it does, all this crap will make sense to you and you can even meet me in person if you wish to discuss.  It will make a great Lifetime story.

I really do like picking on CALO because they deserve it so very badly and it's SO easy to push their buttons.  For all the educated professionals they claim to be, they sure act like spoiled 13 year olds brats when they get bitch slapped.   So easy in fact, they (meaning you Ken) have made a very big mistake, and don't even know it yet.

I think if anything, when I grow up I'm graduating to bullying CEO's on a full time basis.  I think I can make a good living doing it.  Hell maybe I'll become a federal proscecuter and do it legit.  

CG

[Anonymous]

My goal IS to shut down CALO.

Good luck with that.  Ken Huey has deeper pockets than you.

[Anonymous]

qg

Well actually I'm a conservative libertarian, so your psycho-babble is way off.  You also are very predictable, you can't handle your own B.S.  You even believe it.

My goal IS to shut down CALO.  Also have other goals which many of you are helping.  So thank you, all of you, even the idiots, you are doing your job, that's why I still post here.

Legal processes churn slowly, you should know this.  There are things like demands, discovery, motions etc etc.  But rest assured they will happen.  I'll announce it when the time is right.   When it does, all this crap will make sense to you and you can even meet me in person if you wish to discuss.  It will make a great Lifetime story.

I really do like picking on CALO because they deserve it so very badly and it's SO easy to push their buttons.  For all the educated professionals they claim to be, they sure act like spoiled 13 year olds brats when they get bitch slapped.   So easy in fact, they (meaning you Ken) have made a very big mistake, and don't even know it yet.

I think if anything, when I grow up I'm graduating to bullying CEO's on a full time basis.  I think I can make a good living doing it.  Hell maybe I'll become a federal proscecuter and do it legit.  

CG

 :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :blabla:  :bs:  :bs:  :bs:  ::puke::