Every anti-program project, protest or idea has failed. Why?

[RobertBruce]

Some of this thread has yielded some interesting contributions. You might not be aware of how much like the who you seem when you get vague and perseverate

I havent been vauge by any means, I'm just still waiting on you to answer the question.

[Anonymous]

Robert Bruce,

You have still not answered the question.  Do you rape goats?  Are you "The Who?"

[Che Gookin]

The typical life cycle for a fornits poster seems to be like this. They find fornits and start remembering way back when they were in a program that sucked. They naturally get angry and realize what happened was wrong. They vent and post about what happened. Then they decide to 'do something about it'. They try for a little while and nothing happens. Then they disappear, never to be heard from again.
There' s a long list of wannabe activists who have made there way through here, making grandiose claims about their intentions and what they will do to stop programs. Usually the more grand the claims the quicker they seem to vanish. I don't mean to harp on survivors only, probably more of these types of people are just regular people who never went to a program and are just outraged by a news article they read or something, or a family member of a survivor.

Why does this happen so much? Do they get disillusioned with fornits? Do they realize their efforts are fruitless?
Why is it that every attempt to organize an anti-program movement, in any way, has resulted in complete and utter failure?

Not going to read the entire thread, but I'll point out that Psy's website and protest of Benchmark cost them a shit ton of money. I do see where you are going and I'll address some of what you are saying from my own point of view about wannabe activists.

Activism probably has more downsides than it does upsides. You spend most of your time underfire from every asshole under the sun that is against and supposed to be with you. Hell I've taken my fair of shots and given many more of them as well to both sides. The YLF drove me to a near date with a mental asylum, but I don't regret trying to make a go of it. Though my heart was in the job of protesting programs the fact that I'm also a horrendously notorious asshole and random flake that found it hilarious to troll my own members makes me the least likely canidate to run any sort of activism group.

The qualities of a true activist, I think anyway, are those with complete willingness to ignore majority of the population of the crowd thinks. You really have to be a tough son of a bitch who is willing to stick to those principles that you truly believe in. Take a true died in the wool hell raiser like Rich Bradbury and you'll find a guy who is willing to piss in the face of most of Florida's Republican establishment.

That guy really doesn't give a fuck what the mainstream thinks. Good for him because he's right and the mainstream is dead wrong.

 Those who truly care about this issue tend to work on quietly or they are incredibly determined.

Take Cafety, I don't much agree with where they are going with it, but I'll give them credit for not pussing out when half the universe was trying to kick them in the face. You don't often find that kind of persistence these days (btw... thank you for not electing Alex P to your board of directors ).

FICA, under the helm of Kathy Moya, was practically trolled off the forums for proposing to take a bit of money for investigating programs. On her behalf she was only trying to find ways to keep her website afloat. But other minds, like mine (bleh not one of my finer moments), decided to go at the lady hammer and tongs rather than trying to find ways to help her out. Luckily for all of us Kathy is one of those rare gems that isn't easily discouraged and we are all fortunate to still have her out there with FICA.

Now people get all up in arms about activists and such needing to work together. We tried to create a united from with www.troubledteens (?) and that blew up with that nutty kid Kevin doing a naughty dance on youtube. Despite this Anti-wwasp is still up and running and they are still beating the drum about WWASP being one of the pits of hell. Also, despite the eternal flame wars of fornits people are still quietly working away on their own projects.

They don't get half the recognition that they really ought to be getting either.

If you want to make a change against programs you don't need belong to an organization. I tried that myself and I don't play well with others. You don't need to start your own organization either. I did that number and again I figured out quickly it wasn't my cup o' tea. If you really want to help be ready to help when others need it. Lots of organizations like CAFETY, HEAL, ISAC, FICA and so forth do need man power.

Us dwellers of cyberia have the choice of helping with those projects we see fit to assist with. What would be really damn cool is if we had like a help wanted sort of listing here on fornits where the orgs could put up requests for assistance.

Help if you want, or fap to porn if you don't wanna.

[Anonymous]

To the original poster:  you bojangle too much, give it a rest.  You and dickheads of your ilk are the reason longtime posters quit logging in.  The post program anger you mention?  It doesn't go away, even if the poster is run off by abusive trolls.  Why identify yourself when assholes like John D. Reuben and his STICC pal Lon Woodbury can exploit that information in an attempt to silence victims?

I avoid the TTI forum.  If you want to maintain your focus on shutting down the industry, stick to the moderated forums where John and Lon are too scared to spew their black bile.  

OP, I thought the idea of posting planned protests and actions had to be the brainchild of a program backing kid pimp.  Who else would want advance notice?  A lesson was learned - organize off the forum and write it up afterward.  These days I post choice misinformation for people like ... you, OP.

Let me end with a question to the OP:  Why is it the TTI is unable to prevent the wave of program closures that are decimating the incomes of noble individuals like Lon Woodbury and Sue Scheff?  Don't worry about Fornits, you have worse troubles.  Isn't it amazing how RTC's are no longer the "life or death" solution when parents don't want to spend the money.  It makes you realize how "necessary" program placements really are.  When cash was not an issue, parents shipped their kids off and out of their hair.  Now the money well is a piss puddle and parents are having to raise their teens.  I would consider that a positive change, except there are too many parents out there like John D. Reuben.

[Anonymous]

Fornits Home for Wayward Web Fora, in my opinion, has affected few programs.  How many programs has this website seriously affected?  I cannot think of many.  There are few Fornits members who think there are positive aspects of programs.  The general view is, "They are all gulags."  People who think like this hold on to their resentment.  I think there are several forum members who should get therapy because they have nothing better to do than protest programs.

[Anonymous]

Fornits Home for Wayward Web Fora, in my opinion, has affected few programs.  How many programs has this website seriously affected?  I cannot think of many.  There are few Fornits members who think there are positive aspects of programs.  The general view is, "They are all gulags."  People who think like this hold on to their resentment.  I think there are several forum members who should get therapy because they have nothing better to do than protest programs.

I think you have far too much time on your hands, and should seriously consider a career more appreciative of your righteous indignation and pulp psychology background.

[Anonymous]

I think you have far too much time on your hands, and should seriously consider a career more appreciative of your righteous indignation and pulp psychology background.

What state do you live in?

[try another castle]

Fornits Home for Wayward Web Fora, in my opinion, has affected few programs.  How many programs has this website seriously affected?  I cannot think of many.  There are few Fornits members who think there are positive aspects of programs.  The general view is, "They are all gulags."  People who think like this hold on to their resentment.  I think there are several forum members who should get therapy because they have nothing better to do than protest programs.

k.

[Anonymous]

Fornits Home for Wayward Web Fora, in my opinion, has affected few programs. How many programs has this website seriously affected? I cannot think of many. There are few Fornits members who think there are positive aspects of programs. The general view is, "They are all gulags." People who think like this hold on to their resentment. I think there are several forum members who should get therapy because they have nothing better to do than protest programs.

How many programs has this website seriously affected?  This is a fair question.  Will trolls provide proof or take their pot shots?

[try another castle]

How many programs has this website seriously affected?

Not exactly sure how HTML, cascading style sheets, or javascript can affect a program. Not even sure how one could catalog that. "I would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for that damn pesky website."

Normally people do these sorts of things, and I can only account for myself, not a website I frequent, which was authored by someone else, and is visited by lots of other people whom I have no control over, nor desire to. (It's a goddamn forum, not a political organization.)

I can safely say that I have affected no programs whatsoever.
I have affected people who were thinking on sending kids to programs, or who had a kid in one.
I have affected my friends who are parents (two of whom are also teachers), who know of my history, and who have carried on that understanding to people contemplating sending kids away.
I've written a couple of things, filmed stuff, etc. Maybe it resonated with someone. Maybe not.
Due to the fact that I am a crazy fuck, there are a couple of therapists and one shrink who now are aware of these places and would never recommend one to a troubled parent.

I haven't done shit to programs, because I don't care about them.

I care about the people who are affected by them, or who could be affected by them.

I refuse to be a crusader. Let other people deal with that shit.

I just hang out with my peeps.

Maybe, hopefully, that did something, somewhere.

Maybe not.

Maybe.. you should be asking yourself what YOU have done, not some website. And if you don't want to do anything, well, then, why the fuck do you care what happens to these places, anyway? Unless you just want to be snotty and try to ruffle some feathers and piss people off. (Not like thats ever happened here.)

All I know is. Im hungry, and Im going to have a sandwich now.

[Anonymous]

How many shcools has this website seriously affected?

TAC wrote, "I can safely say that I have affected no programs whatsoever."   You, I suspect SEVERAL OTHERS, will say "I have not affected programs whatsoever."  Thanks for answering my question.

[Anonymous]

"I would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for that damn pesky website."

This is pretty much what they all say when they see ISAC and what Benchmark said when they got reamed by Psy.

People do things. Websites are only informative, or disinformative when people like the OP come around. The OP is probably whining hard because a potential victim's parents saw Fornits and bailed. (And no, 99% of the parents who read Fornits will not post here under any circumstances. Why the fuck would they?) Fornits members file lawsuits, begin protests, hack e-mail, personally or online pull parents aside and go "Yeaaah... you really don't want to do this. Here's why.", and warn kids. Fornits members are the reason no pro-program discussion board stays even *visible* to the public for long, as most of us have no problems mocking them mercilessly (a thing they cannot stand, to be sure) and some of us drop dox on everyone and anyone we can find.

Aside from the already-enumerated attacks on programs (mayhaps the most recent troll simply forgot how to read previous pages of this topic?) Fornits members deplete enrollment, and then the program owners, who can never, ever admit anything might be going wrong, not even to themselves, blame the economy.

[Anonymous]

Fornits members file lawsuits, begin protests, hack e-mail, personally or online pull parents aside and go "Yeaaah... you really don't want to do this.

How many  Fornits members have filed lawsuits?  How any Fornits members have protested?  How many Fornits members have hacked e-mal accounts?

[Anonymous]

Lawsuits are fairly common. A number of parents whose kids were murdered showed up here (No. Seriously. Parents with murdered kids show up here. That's no joke. Read the whole thread.), file a lawsuit, and then usually don't show up here again. Fornits members also encourage non-members to file suit. Who cares? Websites don't do things, people do things.

Protests? Dozens of people here. Go trawl the Straight board.

Email hacking? Just one, or two, it isn't very clear whether Well Proxied is Gookin's butt buddy or just his imaginary friend.

I notice you didn't ask about who here depletes enrollment or warns kids; that would be about everyone here except for the ed-cons, program employees, mentally maimed parents, and the really, really evil assholes who send parents of kids they don't like WWASPS literature...

Watching you try to convinct yourself that the hatred you've spawned isn't circling back at you is fun, but needs to be dismissed. Because it is. People systematically, intentionally destroying you is a direct result of what you do to children. Tough love leads directly to tough hate. You do evil, you spawn evil, you get hit by the results of your evil. Whoops. Why do you think it's whack-a-mole? Why do you think programs need to change their names so often? They're trying to dodge responsibility for their actions. Unfortunately, this is the age of the Internet and eternal logs. Nothing you do will get swept under the rug anymore, no matter how much time has passed. (Please don't pretend "but we don't do that anymore" means anything. It doesn't work.)

[try another castle]

You, I suspect SEVERAL OTHERS, will say "I have not affected programs whatsoever." Thanks for answering my question.

lol. I didn't answer your question. I said what *I* have not done, not what this website has or has not done.

Unless you think I'm some sort of mouthpiece for everyone else here, which Im not.

You're silly. You think you get answers to questions that are stupid. I go to all the trouble to point out the fallacy of your logic and it goes right over your head.

Do you view the forum as this single entity where everyone is joined in solidarity to eradicate programs under the name of the fornits flag?

My response to that is: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

What fucking world do you live in?

This is what people call a forum. It is a place on the internet (i.e. a series of tubes) where folks, bots, and mudkips of all opinions and stripes come to troll each other or just talk shit. Normally it is run by some sort of script or code which allow people to write out their responses and post them so others can read and respond if they feel like it, from the comfort and safety of their own cum-encrusted keyboards. The information is stored in a database on a server which is stored on a satellite orbiting a planet whose identity has yet to be disclosed.

Forums *can* do a few things, however.

1. Create butthurt
2. Force memes
3. Humiliate some idiot who fucked a dog or posted a video of themselves baaawing about Brittney
4. Introduce everyone to people who can stretch their assholes wide enough to hold a lawn jockey
5. Close swimming pools
6. Demonstrate how to fuck up homophones or misplace apostrophes
7. Provide a safe place for furfags, yaoi whores, Internet Tough Guys, and people who think they are Special (i.e. have aspergers) to revel in their general retardedness behind the safety of anonymity
8. Swing the banhammer
9. ?
10. Profit!

I hope this has helped you understand what a forum is, and will also demonstrate that no forum, anywhere, can do shit about anything. All political activities are strictly extracurricular and optional.


Also, my sandwich was very good.  :rasta: