My son at Aspen Ranch

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his psychologist at Aspen Ranch

Aspen programs do not provide psychological services, nor do they employ psychologists, as they stated in court.

DJ the man just said his son received said services, why do you have to contest. Man, do you have to argue with everyone who doesn't suit your take on programs.
Your beginning to resemble the other extremist here.

Danny, the man said he received such services, but not from Aspen Education.  You really need to do some reading first before calling people names.  Did you read the link a few posts back to the Pence vs. Aspen Education Group lawsuit?  Aspen Education's lawyers argued successfully in court that they were not bound by HIPAA because they do not provide therapy of any kind and do not employ licensed therapists.  It's right there in cold print, Danny.

If you think that saying "Aspen Education offers no therapy" is "extreme," then you ought to take it up with Aspen Education, because it is they who successfully argued that very point in court.  It's unambiguous, Danny.

Aspen Education Group does not provide a therapeutic milieu that is conformative to standards set by any medical body for their "patients," medically recognized therapy, or medically accredited personnel, Aspen's own lawyers successfully argued in Pence v. Aspen Education Group.

Which part of that are you having trouble comprehending?  Is it your argument that people here should believe the word of an anonymous poster over court records?  That doesn't make much sense, does it?  

Even Whooter came right out and said it - he paid extra for a therapist because Aspen Education doesn't provide therapy.  Why aren't you calling Whooter an "extremist," Danny?  We made the same statements, almost verbatim.  You're having trouble with being objective while you rant and rave about people's biases.  

If you need to remain intentionally ignorant of the facts to maintain your belief system, your belief system is unsustainable.  When that happens, you will cease to be adding anything to the discussion here and you will be simply another willfully ignorant troll.

[Pile of shit]

Danny let DJ foam at the mouth.  He want's to pick a fight with Whooter because everyone else will join the party.

[Whooter]

You need to look at each program separately.  Some programs have therapists on staff and others do not.  Some of the ones who do not have therapists on staff provide therapy from an outside source (independent) and you pay them separately. But the services are provided on site (within the programs grounds)

The hospital that is in our area states they provide a variety of services but many of them are "out sourced".  Their xrays are done on site (within the hospital grounds) but you need to pay someone other than the hospital for their services, they are owned and operated independent from the hospital.  This is becoming more common place.
If you had a problem with the way your xrays were being done you would have to take it up with the people providing the xray (not the hospital).  The hospitals lawyers would argue that the xray was outsourced.

Walmart Claims they provide food so you can have a lunch there while you shop.  But the food it provided by "Subway", so if you have a problem with your food you need to take it up with Subway corporation not Walmart.  You cannot successfully sue Walmart if you get sick eating there.  But they can still maintain they provide food as a service. lol Funny I know

So can the hospital state they provide these services?  I guess it is up to how an individual defines provide... on-staff, on site...etc.

Everything is being outsourced these days!!



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[thomasC]

You need to look at each program separately.  Some programs have therapists on staff and others do not.  Some of the ones who do not have therapists on staff provide therapy from an outside source (independent) and you pay them separately. But the services are provided on site (within the programs grounds)

So, we are all in agreement. The only 'therapy' provided is optional and at the parents' expense. The program itself does not constitute 'therapy' in any form and this has been successfully argued in court by Aspen.

[Whooter]

You need to look at each program separately.  Some programs have therapists on staff and others do not.  Some of the ones who do not have therapists on staff provide therapy from an outside source (independent) and you pay them separately. But the services are provided on site (within the programs grounds)

So, we are all in agreement. The only 'therapy' provided is optional and at the parents' expense. The program itself does not constitute 'therapy' in any form and this has been successfully argued in court by Aspen.

You have to look at it on a program by program bases.  Some may have therapists on staff and provide one on one therapy as an integral part of the program and other programs may out source the individual therapy and treat it as optional.

Not all kids need the one on one, some may do well with only group therapy.



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[thomasC]

You need to look at each program separately.  Some programs have therapists on staff and others do not.  Some of the ones who do not have therapists on staff provide therapy from an outside source (independent) and you pay them separately. But the services are provided on site (within the programs grounds)

So, we are all in agreement. The only 'therapy' provided is optional and at the parents' expense. The program itself does not constitute 'therapy' in any form and this has been successfully argued in court by Aspen.

You have to look at it on a program by program bases.  Some may have therapists on staff and provide one on one therapy as an integral part of the program and other programs may out source the individual therapy and treat it as optional.

Not all kids need the one on one, some may do well with only group therapy.



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You continue to use the word therapy. The program claims it is not therapy.  Stop calling it that.

[Whooter]

You need to look at each program separately.  Some programs have therapists on staff and others do not.  Some of the ones who do not have therapists on staff provide therapy from an outside source (independent) and you pay them separately. But the services are provided on site (within the programs grounds)

So, we are all in agreement. The only 'therapy' provided is optional and at the parents' expense. The program itself does not constitute 'therapy' in any form and this has been successfully argued in court by Aspen.

You have to look at it on a program by program bases.  Some may have therapists on staff and provide one on one therapy as an integral part of the program and other programs may out source the individual therapy and treat it as optional.

Not all kids need the one on one, some may do well with only group therapy.



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You continue to use the word therapy. The program claims it is not therapy.  Stop calling it that.

You need to look at each program independently.  Some programs provide individual therapy and others may not.  Some have therapists on staff and others outsource their individual therapist and psychologists.

This is why I suggest that parents understand what the costs are up front and whether or not they feel their child will need individual therapy.  The advantage of having a therapist which is outsourced (not on staff) is that this therapist can gain a perspective which is independent of the program and if they feel the program is not effective for the individual child then they can relay this information back to the parents or to the childs therapist at home.



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[NIGEL]

There is obviously a lot of debate here concerning "therapy."   I will not join the debate, but I will say that any parent that sends their kid to the Aspen Ranch (or any other school in kind) should do as much research as possible.  The biggest question all parents want answered is, "is this the right decision?"  I am not going to nitpick about what is "therapy" and what is not.  My son got "therapy" at Aspen Ranch.  We paid for a therapist to meet with him.  Aspen Ranch had  a "therapist" on staff that met with him twice a week.  I am not a lawyer and I am not going to argue what constitutes a "therapist."   I will say that my son got help while at the Aspen Ranch. Was he also suppervised by people that didn't have a positive influence on him--yes.  Did he spend time with people that only wanted the best for him---yes.  Parents send their kids to places like Aspen Ranch only as a last resort.  I am still wrestling whether or not places like this are the best option.  I am not sure whether or not I will ever have the answer, but I will say that it doesn't do my family any good to dwell on that.  We are moving forward.

[DannyB II]

There is obviously a lot of debate here concerning "therapy."   I will not join the debate, but I will say that any parent that sends their kid to the Aspen Ranch (or any other school in kind) should do as much research as possible.  The biggest question all parents want answered is, "is this the right decision?"  I am not going to nitpick about what is "therapy" and what is not.  My son got "therapy" at Aspen Ranch.  We paid for a therapist to meet with him.  Aspen Ranch had  a "therapist" on staff that met with him twice a week.  I am not a lawyer and I am not going to argue what constitutes a "therapist."   I will say that my son got help while at the Aspen Ranch. Was he also supervised by people that didn't have a positive influence on him--yes.  Did he spend time with people that only wanted the best for him---yes.  Parents send their kids to places like Aspen Ranch only as a last resort.  I am still wrestling whether or not places like this are the best option.  I am not sure whether or not I will ever have the answer, but I will say that it doesn't do my family any good to dwell on that.  We are moving forward.

Thank you very much, Nigel. It seems folks here that have no personal knowledge at all, argue the most. They read reports that I doubt they really understand and give their inept opinions based on their biased views. I don't argue with them either, they are ignorant.
Now!!!!! Can everyone else move on.

[Whooter]

Art therapy
Feminist therapy
Biofeedback therapy
Cognitive therapy
Family therapy
Dream analysis therapy
Psychoanalytical therapy
Transactional analysis therapy
Rational emotive therapy
Behavior therapy
Group therapy
Gestalt therapy
Humanistic therapy
Play therapy
Postmodern therapy
Eye movement desensitization reprocessing therapy
Speech therapy
Preventative therapy
Prophylactic therapy
Abortive therapy
Supportive therapy
Pharmacotherapy
Chemotherapy
Mesotherapy
Gene therapy
Aurotherapy
Chrysotherapy
Hormone therapy
Biotherapy
Virotherapy
Phage therapy
Maggot therapy
Ozontherapy
Speleotherapy
Serotherapy
Hydrotherapy
Electrotherapy
Psychotherapy
Physical therapy
Cryotherapy
Thermotherapy
Radiotherapy
Physiotherapy
Massotherapy
Cymatic therapy
Phototherapy
Magnet therapy
Radiation therapy
………………………………..  Just to name a few and if none of them work then sometimes the best therapy is sitting under a magnolia tree in late spring and watching the sun set….. self therapy?



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[thomasC]

Art therapy
Feminist therapy
Biofeedback therapy
Cognitive therapy
Family therapy
Dream analysis therapy
Psychoanalytical therapy
Transactional analysis therapy
Rational emotive therapy
Behavior therapy
Group therapy
Gestalt therapy
Humanistic therapy
Play therapy
Postmodern therapy
Eye movement desensitization reprocessing therapy
Speech therapy
Preventative therapy
Prophylactic therapy
Abortive therapy
Supportive therapy
Pharmacotherapy
Chemotherapy
Mesotherapy
Gene therapy
Aurotherapy
Chrysotherapy
Hormone therapy
Biotherapy
Virotherapy
Phage therapy
Maggot therapy
Ozontherapy
Speleotherapy
Serotherapy
Hydrotherapy
Electrotherapy
Psychotherapy
Physical therapy
Cryotherapy
Thermotherapy
Radiotherapy
Physiotherapy
Massotherapy
Cymatic therapy
Phototherapy
Magnet therapy
Radiation therapy
………………………………..  Just to name a few and if none of them work then sometimes the best therapy is sitting under a magnolia tree in late spring and watching the sun set….. self therapy?



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You forgot one.

[Whooter]

You forgot one.

lol... and Equine Therapy.



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and

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Whooter’s confirmation bias impared his ability to read Thomas c’s link to Attack therapy.

[Whooter]

Whooter’s confirmation bias impared his ability to read Thomas c’s link to Attack therapy.

I think you missed that I quoted it above.



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