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Offline Ursus

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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #405 on: October 28, 2009, 01:02:09 PM »
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The model these programs follow is fundamentally flawed. Staff have too little training and too much power over children who are too vulnerable and powerless. It is a recipe for physical, emotional and sexual abuse. The mental health exercises they follow do not conform to any treatment modalities practiced or taught at reputable institutions anywhere in this country.

Amen....that last sentiment.......



I love that pic!!!!

Yes, Ma'am!!  :D
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #406 on: October 28, 2009, 02:33:45 PM »
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The model these programs follow is fundamentally flawed. Staff have too little training and too much power over children who are too vulnerable and powerless. It is a recipe for physical, emotional and sexual abuse. The mental health exercises they follow do not conform to any treatment modalities practiced or taught at reputable institutions anywhere in this country.

Amen....that last sentiment.......



I love that pic!!!!

Yes, Ma'am!!  :D

First of all---the picture of the bears is great.  I was in Berlin last summer (with my boys) and as we walked around the city, we took pictures of as many bears as we could find.

As for the report and lawsuit about abuse, I promise to look into this further and ask more questions of the Ranch.  The only thing I can report on right now is what is currently going on with my son at The Aspen Ranch.  My son hasn't reported anything to me that even comes close to any of the events described.  I asked him questions about all the individual therapy he receives, as well as the group therapy that his team does (these are lead by his therapist).  I believe that my son is dramatically improving at this point.  Whether it is because of what The Aspen Ranch is doing or because he needed a drastic "wake up call" I don't know for sure (my guess is that it is a little of both).  Whether he will continue in this improving pattern and then keep it up at home remains to be seen, but right now we are seeing positive results (and so is my son).  We will be visiting The Ranch 3 times over the next two months and will do as much as we can to make sure that my son is in a safe and nurturing environment (right now it appears it is).  I will keep updating this topic to let you all know how it goes.
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #407 on: October 28, 2009, 02:55:34 PM »
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First of all---the picture of the bears is great.  I was in Berlin last summer (with my boys) and as we walked around the city, we took pictures of as many bears as we could find.


Lovely, but it was meant to convey the phrase "Bears Repeating".  As in, the statement referred to is correct and it needs to be said over and over again.

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As for the report and lawsuit about abuse, I promise to look into this further and ask more questions of the Ranch.  The only thing I can report on right now is what is currently going on with my son at The Aspen Ranch.  My son hasn't reported anything to me that even comes close to any of the events described.  I asked him questions about all the individual therapy he receives, as well as the group therapy that his team does (these are lead by his therapist).  I believe that my son is dramatically improving at this point.  Whether it is because of what The Aspen Ranch is doing or because he needed a drastic "wake up call" I don't know for sure (my guess is that it is a little of both).  Whether he will continue in this improving pattern and then keep it up at home remains to be seen, but right now we are seeing positive results (and so is my son).  We will be visiting The Ranch 3 times over the next two months and will do as much as we can to make sure that my son is in a safe and nurturing environment (right now it appears it is).  I will keep updating this topic to let you all know how it goes.

You have no idea what is going on behind closed doors and your son won't be likely to even understand it until years after he's been out.  What a shame.  Most of us that 'graduated' would've told you that it "saved our lives".  We found out very differently.
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #408 on: October 28, 2009, 03:09:58 PM »
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Exactly, like I said if anyone pulls this crap they are going to be exposed and sued, (just like the public school teacher who was sleeping with her students.)  This does not go unnoticed.  The Time article shows this.  I dont know a parent who would allow this to be done to themselves in a group or private setting.  If their kids were exposed to this then they would do what any parent would do and that is contact the media, the police and it would end up in the papers or Time magazine (like the above).  Its good press and sells magazines so if it is happening they will print it.

My experience isnt even close to this.  Just like the majority of our kids are not raped by the teachers.  The workshops were fun and informative and many of them the kids went thru with the parents present.  

When Nigel gets back we will see if this is just another fornits scare tactic or not.

Sorry, Whooter, you're wrong again.  As the Time article clearly explains, this DOES go on all the time....

Whoa, I almost took the article serious for a minute there until I noticed that the article was written by Maia Szalavitz as she continues tout her book utilizing shill journalism.  Notice how she wraps a current story around outdated information.  She needs to keep up the facade that these places are evil to keep her sales up, expensive living in New York.  We also notice sales of her book were slumping a bit this year.  I have never met anyone (outside of fornits) who took the book seriously,though.

She found a niche and profited handsomely by it.

Notice at the end of the article:

Maia Szalavitz is a freelance journalist in New York City and author of the book Help At Any Cost: How the Troubled-Teen Industry Cons Parents and Hurts Kids (Riverhead, 2006).

Funny how everyone here on fornits omitted this when referencing the article.

It will be interesting to get a current first hand perspective as Nigel continues to report.
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #409 on: October 28, 2009, 03:52:23 PM »
Yes, absolutely true!  Maia Szalavitz has researched and written about the abuses in the troubled teen industry for years. Read her book. Notice the 20+ pages of documentation of research sources. She is an experienced, respected investigative journalist. That's why she gets hired by publications like Time Magazine.

So, Nigel. Two months at Aspen becomes four months becomes six months. Everything is proceeding according to plan.

Having fun writing those $7,000 checks? That $28K to date, and closing in on $42K by Christmas.

Soon will come the new diagnosis of a more serious mental illness--conduct disorder or Asperger's, for example--and an urgent, uber-sincere recommendation to send your boy to a boarding school. "Openings are scarce, but it just so happens we can get you in if you act right now!"

I'm sorry to put it bluntly, but you have abdicated your role as parent. There is nothing brave and honorable about what you have done to your own flesh and blood. I just can't be polite about this today. I can only hope you wife sees the light.
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #410 on: October 28, 2009, 04:17:45 PM »
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Exactly, like I said if anyone pulls this crap they are going to be exposed and sued, (just like the public school teacher who was sleeping with her students.)  This does not go unnoticed.  The Time article shows this.  I dont know a parent who would allow this to be done to themselves in a group or private setting.  If their kids were exposed to this then they would do what any parent would do and that is contact the media, the police and it would end up in the papers or Time magazine (like the above).  Its good press and sells magazines so if it is happening they will print it.

My experience isnt even close to this.  Just like the majority of our kids are not raped by the teachers.  The workshops were fun and informative and many of them the kids went thru with the parents present.  

When Nigel gets back we will see if this is just another fornits scare tactic or not.

Sorry, Whooter, you're wrong again.  As the Time article clearly explains, this DOES go on all the time....

Whoa, I almost took the article serious for a minute there until I noticed that the article was written by Maia Szalavitz as she continues tout her book utilizing shill journalism.  Notice how she wraps a current story around outdated information.  She needs to keep up the facade that these places are evil to keep her sales up, expensive living in New York.  We also notice sales of her book were slumping a bit this year.  I have never met anyone (outside of fornits) who took the book seriously,though.

She found a niche and profited handsomely by it.

Notice at the end of the article:

Maia Szalavitz is a freelance journalist in New York City and author of the book Help At Any Cost: How the Troubled-Teen Industry Cons Parents and Hurts Kids (Riverhead, 2006).

Funny how everyone here on fornits omitted this when referencing the article.

It will be interesting to get a current first hand perspective as Nigel continues to report.


Nice catch!  I read it too and didnt realize it was a Maia article until you pointed it out.  Mostly fiction as she is trying to drum up customers for her book.  I also liked how she wrapped the current news article around he previous fiction, makes it look credible.  She never spent a minute inside one of these places.  There are books written by pulitzer prize winning authors who spent over a year "Inside" programs and never found any abuse.  The books blow the doors off her credibility.  Its an interesting read and great insight on the going ons inside a program.  But you wont see it mentioned here because there was no abuse to be found or reported.
I will see if I can get a link up for everyone.
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #411 on: October 28, 2009, 04:36:33 PM »
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 There are books written by pulitzer prize winning authors who spent over a year "Inside" programs and never found any abuse.  


*****CITATION NEEDED*******


Unless said author went in undercover as a teen being admitted, there is no way in hell they spent "over a year inside".
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #412 on: October 28, 2009, 04:59:39 PM »
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 There are books written by pulitzer prize winning authors who spent over a year "Inside" programs and never found any abuse.  


*****CITATION NEEDED*******


Unless said author went in undercover as a teen being admitted, there is no way in hell they spent "over a year inside".

Sorry, it took so long.... Here it is:

DaveMarcus

David L. Marcus has been a foreign correspondent and education reporter
for U.S. News & World Report, the Boston Globe, Miami Herald, and Dallas
Morning News, where he shared a Pulitzer Prize for a series of articles on
violence against women around the world. Marcus also was a Nieman Fellow at
Harvard. After a twenty-four year career in journalism, he spent a year as
a high school teacher at Deerfield Academy in Massachusetts.




About the Book
A Pulitzer Prize-winning writer untangles the mysteries of the
teenage mind as he witnesses troubled kids transformed by fourteen
months at a school that offers therapy for adolescents in
crisis.

To find answers, Marcus gained unfettered access to students, staff,
and parents at the Academy at Swift River in the hills of western
Massachusetts. The kids at Swift River had already ventured down a
number of perilous paths all parents fear their own children might
take – drug use, violence, theft, internet addictions, eating disorders,
promiscuity. Known for combining intensive academics, a wilderness
program and group therapy, the school helps troubled teenagers emotional
health.

He focuses on four remarkable kids who run the demographic gamut:

--a Southern girl whose privileges cannot save her from sinking into
drug abuse and unsafe sex;
--the self-destructive son of teachers grappling with his anger about
being adopted;
--a black kid from a tough New York neighborhood who is silenced by
consuming depression;
--a once high-achieving Florida girl "broken" by the death of her mother.
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #413 on: October 28, 2009, 05:39:29 PM »
Huh, so if Academy at Swift River is one of the toughest programs, as most people say here, then the others like Aspen Ranch must be mild in comparison.  The book shows no signs of abuse or screaming at kids, calling them whores and sluts.  I always thought this was a stretch and had little truth to it.  If a parent ever found out that someone was calling their kid those things the place would be shut down in a heart beat.  You know how stories can get out of hand.  The kids were probably called lazy slobs for not cleaning thier rooms and the kids interpreted this as abuse.

Its good to read that these programs are not really all that bad.
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #414 on: October 28, 2009, 05:41:12 PM »
Hey Whooter (or John C. as you call yourself today) you neglected to mention that one of those four kids committed suicide and at least one had to go to drug treatment immediately after their 18 month program.  

Curious how you left out the 50% failure rate of this cherry-picked sample. Try to keep it honest, Whooter.
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #415 on: October 28, 2009, 06:02:43 PM »
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Hey Whooter (or John C. as you call yourself today) you neglected to mention that one of those four kids committed suicide and at least one had to go to drug treatment immediately after their 18 month program.  

Curious how you left out the 50% failure rate of this cherry-picked sample. Try to keep it honest, Whooter.

Great point!  There is alot to this book that cant be covered in summary. There is nothing sugar coated about it like the above poster pointed out.

Check out the link for more info:

What It Takes to Pull Me Through
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #416 on: October 28, 2009, 07:12:55 PM »
What It Takes to Pull Me Through

Following students at a school that offers intensive counseling seemed the best way to explore the welter of challenges facing today's teenagers -- from ADHD, to videogame addiction, to depression, to drug abuse. Many psychologists recommended the Academy at Swift River in western Massachusetts.


The school allowed me complete access to group therapy, classes and supervisors’ meetings. Parents let me sit in on their seminars and informal discussions with school staff. But the most important access came from the kids, who let me immerse myself in their lives, whether they were kicking back in the dorms or baring their souls in family confrontations. On breaks, I accompanied them to their neighborhoods, their old high schools and hangouts.
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Re: My son at Aspen Ranch
« Reply #417 on: October 28, 2009, 07:56:39 PM »
I think Nigel can see what is going on here.
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« Reply #418 on: October 28, 2009, 10:06:53 PM »
Nigel is probably wondering, like I did, why none of these books or studies are offered here on fornits as reading.  He is wondering why fornits leaves out information on programs and just posts scare tactics, books on brainwashing and filtered info instead of information from "both" sides so that parents can make an informed decision.

I have wondered this also.  Information from a pulitzer prized author and open defender of abuse who spent over a year inside a program should be information that is relevant to making an informed decision.  Why isnt information like this offered to the readers?  and parents seeking information?  Why is this information so theatening to everyone here?
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« Reply #419 on: October 29, 2009, 06:06:38 AM »
Yes, there were four subjects of Marcus' book.  One killed himself, one went to rehab before ever going home and the other two relapsed shortly after the program.  

What's also being withheld by Whooter is that Marcus actually works for the Troubled Teen Industry as a lecturer and "group facilitator" (whatever that means, as he has no credentials to do group therapy).  Marcus is paid very well to promote Aspen on the lecture circuit.  This is hardly an "unbaised" account with Marcus being an independent contractor for Aspen.

Marcus' book shows, even in a complete shill piece like this book clearly is, that ASR has a 25% death rate and 100% relapse rate of the kids that go there.

Aspen is ineffective AND deadly.
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