Sharon Osbourne Show

[Anonymous]

Good programs do not PAY finder's fees to schmucks that "find" $40k placements for them.

[Anonymous]

On 2003-09-23 06:39:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Good programs do not PAY finder's fees to schmucks that "find" $40k placements for them.



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Would you care to share the names of any programs for troubled teens that don't pay educational consultants (the schmucks?) Educational consultants also charge the parents high fees - so they're getting paid on both ends.

 and the post above this one about good programs - care to share the names of "good" programs?

Seems like Barbara W has a great relationship with her daughter.  Her daughter is grateful that her mom found help for her - what's all this garbage about family help being a cult?

[Deborah]

Did you read the interview with Jane Pauly? Are you trying to redefine what constitutes a "good relationship"? They are civil and put on a good act to benefit Jac's program. That's my interpretation.

http://www.msnbc.com/news/822841.asp

?I?m doing an interview like this because Jackie said to me, ?Tell other parents,?? says Walters.
Tell them, Mommy, if it can happen to you, it can happen in any family.?

Jane Pauley: ?So you didn?t take maternity leave??
Barbara Walters: ?No.?
?There was no having it all,? says Walters. ?And there was not really a career for women. I never thought about it. I didn?t think, ?Can I juggle both?? I probably should have.

Jackie Danforth: ?She used to say that some mothers have babies from their tummies, and some have it from their heart. And you came from my heart.?
       
       But while her feelings didn?t show, Jackie sensed that something was wrong with the picture.
 ?I think that somewhere inside you think, ?Why did people give me up??? says Jackie. ?I think that played a big, big part of it. I think that my mother being who she is played a huge part of it.?

Jane Pauley: ?Your mother?s nature, just as you have your own nature, your mother?s was very driven. I mean, she loved her work ? loves her work,
Jackie Danforth: ?Yes.?
Jane Pauley (laughing): ?I wish she didn?t love her work so much.?
Jackie Danforth: ?She loves her work.?

Jane Pauley: ?How much trouble were you really, potentially in??
Jackie Danforth: ?I would have been dead.?

Jackie Danforth: ?At that point in my life, for some reason I looked around. And I thought, you know what? This is not a bad thing. If my mom hadn?t called that transport company, I?d have been dead.?

Jane Pauley: ?Are you looking forward to being a mother yourself??
Jackie Danforth: ?No.?
       
Jackie has learned a lot about being a parent, but mostly that she never wants to be one.
       
Jane Pauley: ?That?s a firm decision??
Jackie Danforth: ?That?s a firm decision. I run a business. I don?t have a lot of time and it would be selfish of me to have a child. I couldn?t give a lot of time to that child.?
[Hmm....might BW have thought about this before she adopted a child she had no time for? Could that have affected her daughter's decision?]

Jane Pauley: ?Does your mother know about this??
Jackie Danforth: ?Yes. And it?s a very sore subject with us.?
Jane Pauley: ?She wanted grandchildren.?
Jackie Danforth: ?She wants grandchildren bad. She loves kids. My mom is the most nurturing person in the world.?
Jane Pauley: ?What if she never gives you grandchildren??
Barbara Walters: ?I don?t think she will give me grandchildren.The children that she is helping now are her life.?

Today Jackie Danforth has come full circle. Now she runs a wilderness program called ?New Horizons? in northern Maine, devoted to rescuing other people?s daughters ? troubled teenagers like she used to be.

Just like Jackie, half a lifetime ago, the girls come with nothing but their troubles and the clothes they are wearing. There is no makeup, no razors, no jewelry, no cell phones. And NO CONTACT WITH HOME.



[ This Message was edited by: Deborah on 2003-09-23 16:20 ]

[Anonymous]

Deborah - yes, that's your interpretation.  My interpretation is that it took a great amount of courage and love to tell this story.  :wink:

[Deborah]

And, it could be that Barbara felt it was the least she could do, as she obviously had no time for her daughter when she was growing up, to offer her name and reputation in support of Jac's program.

[Anonymous]

Deborah - It sounds like your interpretation is the same as you would say to yourself about your own child.  I agree with the interpretation that it took a lot of love and courage to go on national tv and share their story.  And yes, Jac may have benefited from the exposure, but in reading the transcript, I didn't get that was her purpose.  If Barbara helped even one parent find the help they needed, then it was all worth it.

[Deborah]

*** Deborah - It sounds like your interpretation is the same as you would say to yourself about your own child.

Care to clarify or elaborate on this comment? I resent your attempt to speak for me with no knowledge of me personally. That's just rude and desperate.

[Anonymous]

If Barbara helps even one parent....??

I could tell you how preposterous this is,  but my bullshit-meter has been broken since the last time somebody said "Your only choice for your child is the Program,  jail,  or the cemetery"

Who brainwashed you into accepting this absurd proposition as a valid decision-rule?  May I suggest several alternative standards by which you could evaluate Barbara?  Please consider a few others:

" If Barbara helps even one parent to send a child to an institution where even one child feels obliged to jump off the roof,  then the parent is guilty of  child abuse,  and Barabara is an accessory before the fact."  or...

"  If Barbara helps even one parent to send a child to an institution which abuses 10 children for every one that is convinced that they have been helped,  then one must conclude that the harm that is being  grossly outweighs the benefit to the 'one parent' and the institution should be closed."

[Anonymous]

Are we talking about the rich taking care of the rich here? Is Sharon who appears to be a stand up kind of person, protecting Barbara's decision to send her daughter to a similar program for three years of her young life? In other words, if Sharon and Barbara have talked about the WWASP story coming out and the possible fall out, is this why Sharon has backed off? It seem's there must be a reason why 2 T.V. show's, who at one time were very hot on this subject, have now backed off. Is it "one hand washing the other"?

[Anonymous]

Ozzy! Save us!  :grin: