John D. Reuben and SavingTeens.org

[Anonymous]

I'll find the link, don't worry.  It seems a lot of people remember DJ's violent threats.  You all become so upset when the simple truth is presented:  programs are effect (period)

And.

Oh God, I just had the most terrible revelation:  I'm an asshole and programs don't work!  Shit, look at what happened to my family and don't place your kid in ANY program.  Forgive me for the evil I have done.

[Whooter]

I'll find the link, don't worry.  It seems a lot of people remember DJ's violent threats.  You all become so upset when the simple truth is presented:  programs are effect (period)

And.

Oh God, I just had the most terrible revelation:  I'm an asshole and programs don't work!  Shit, look at what happened to my family and don't place your kid in ANY program.  Forgive me for the evil I have done.

Ha,Ha,Ha,  Thats funny!!!!  As I was reading I could figure out what was going on... then I realized "it was me!!" lol.  I am glad we can all keep a sense of humor through all of this.  
@ DJ, I am glad the urge to beat someone up has subsided a bit.  you are still making personal attacks but I take it as a big step.  I noted in another thread that you were actually using documentation and facts to support your argument.  I think you will see the discussion is much more productive that way for both sides.  Stick with the study for awhile and see how you make out.  I think you may be surprised by what you read and discover.

[Anonymous]

I'm only speaking for myself.  I told this guy several times not to trifle with me, but he did it anyway.  

Apparently some people here either knew or suspected "who" he was but lacked the testicular fortitude to buck up.  I do not suffer from that shortcoming.

John David Reuben posted for nearly five years here, mostly anonymously, taunting and degrading people who suffered at the hands of people just like him.  

People like John David Reuben, a.k.a. TheWho, believe children are commodities and any business that can raise its earned value added assessment by exploiting their vulnerability for financial gain is a good business.  For people like John, children have no rights and no say.

To add insult to injury, he then claims to be a "survivor" because people loathe him here and told him so, as if he had no choice but to stay and take it.  

He could have left by his own volition at any time to stop whatever discomfort he may have felt (which I suspect is none anyway; he got off on it), a luxury not afforded to privately incarcerated children like his sons, Mike (RIP) and Max, whom were both forced into programs against their will and forced to stay there until they turned 18 or until daddy gave their jailers the OK to cut them loose.  

Therein is the crux of the argument.  He railroads children into virtual private kiddie jails where they have no choice but to cope with the abuse and neglect, but poor little Johnny paints himself as a victim here, like a fucking impotent crybaby.  

This is a man who doesn't deserve to have children in the first place.  And I'm going to spend every minute of my spare time educating anyone who will listen about what a twisted little psychopath this scrawny little bastard is.

[Whooter]

I'm only speaking for myself.  I told this guy several times not to trifle with me, but he did it anyway.  

Apparently some people here either knew or suspected "who" he was but lacked the testicular fortitude to buck up.  I do not suffer from that shortcoming.

John David Reuben posted for nearly five years here, mostly anonymously, taunting and degrading people who suffered at the hands of people just like him.  

People like John David Reuben, a.k.a. Thewho , believe children are commodities and any business that can raise its earned value added assessment by exploiting their vulnerability for financial gain is a good business.  For people like John, children have no rights and no say.

To add insult to injury, he then claims to be a "survivor " because people loathe him here and told him so, as if he had no choice but to stay and take it.  

He could have left by his own volition at any time to stop whatever discomfort he may have felt (which I suspect is none anyway; he got off on it), a luxury not afforded to privately incarcerated children like his sons, Mike (RIP) and Max, whom were both forced into programs against their will and forced to stay there until they turned 18 or until daddy gave their jailers the OK to cut them loose.  

Therein is the crux of the argument.  He railroads children into virtual private kiddie jails where they have no choice but to cope with the abuse and neglect, but poor little Johnny paints himself as a victim here, like a fucking impotent crybaby.  

This is a man who doesn't deserve to have children in the first place.  And I'm going to spend every minute of my spare time educating anyone who will listen about what a twisted little psychopath this scrawny little bastard is.

[Troll Control]

I'm only speaking for myself.  I told this guy several times not to trifle with me, but he did it anyway.  

Apparently some people here either knew or suspected "who" he was but lacked the testicular fortitude to buck up.  I do not suffer from that shortcoming.

John David Reuben posted for nearly five years here, mostly anonymously, taunting and degrading people who suffered at the hands of people just like him.  

People like John David Reuben, a.k.a. Thewho , believe children are commodities and any business that can raise its earned value added assessment by exploiting their vulnerability for financial gain is a good business.  For people like John, children have no rights and no say.

To add insult to injury, he then claims to be a "survivor " because people loathe him here and told him so, as if he had no choice but to stay and take it.  

He could have left by his own volition at any time to stop whatever discomfort he may have felt (which I suspect is none anyway; he got off on it), a luxury not afforded to privately incarcerated children like his sons, Mike (RIP) and Max, whom were both forced into programs against their will and forced to stay there until they turned 18 or until daddy gave their jailers the OK to cut them loose.  

Therein is the crux of the argument.  He railroads children into virtual private kiddie jails where they have no choice but to cope with the abuse and neglect, but poor little Johnny paints himself as a victim here, like a fucking impotent crybaby.  

This is a man who doesn't deserve to have children in the first place.  And I'm going to spend every minute of my spare time educating anyone who will listen about what a twisted little psychopath this scrawny little bastard is.

I have read his posts and this is true.

[Whooter]

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I'm only speaking for myself.  I told this guy several times not to trifle with me, but he did it anyway.  

Apparently some people here either knew or suspected "who" he was but lacked the testicular fortitude to buck up.  I do not suffer from that shortcoming.

John David Reuben posted for nearly five years here, mostly anonymously, taunting and degrading people who suffered at the hands of people just like him.  

People like John David Reuben, a.k.a. Thewho , believe children are commodities and any business that can raise its earned value added assessment by exploiting their vulnerability for financial gain is a good business.  For people like John, children have no rights and no say.

To add insult to injury, he then claims to be a "survivor " because people loathe him here and told him so, as if he had no choice but to stay and take it.  

He could have left by his own volition at any time to stop whatever discomfort he may have felt (which I suspect is none anyway; he got off on it), a luxury not afforded to privately incarcerated children like his sons, Mike (RIP) and Max, whom were both forced into programs against their will and forced to stay there until they turned 18 or until daddy gave their jailers the OK to cut them loose.  

Therein is the crux of the argument.  He railroads children into virtual private kiddie jails where they have no choice but to cope with the abuse and neglect, but poor little Johnny paints himself as a victim here, like a fucking impotent crybaby.  

This is a man who doesn't deserve to have children in the first place.  And I'm going to spend every minute of my spare time educating anyone who will listen about what a twisted little psychopath this scrawny little bastard is.

I have read his posts and this is true.

I agree This is true.

[Troll Control]

Yeah, I think we all knew in advance that when the rubber hit the road Whooter would punk out.  I'm still up for a charity boxing match though and have gym space on reserve and a state licensed referee and physician (required by law to have a fight) ready to go if he decides to man up for the first time in his life.

I'm actually nursing a broken left hand currently from a recent kickboxing bout, but I'd be willing to fight one-handed to get this match going.

"The Bookworm vs. The Joggernaut" can only happen if Whooter finds a way to overcome his cowardice (shout out to RobertBruce for nailing that on the head repeatedly).

Well, you know where to find me, weakling, if you grow some stones and really want to help some kids.

 :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:  :notworthy:

[Anonymous]

John D. Reuben is a wanna-be EdCon 'who' started a business making referrals to known abusive programs.  He has linked up with some of the most familiar bogeymen of the TTI such as Lon Woodbury, Martha Kolbe and many others, like NATSAP and Aspen Education.

John's son, 'who' was forced into two abusive programs, SUWS and ASR, did not receive the help he desperately needed from the unlicensed, unseducated staff of SUWS and ASR, but he was able to make it through, getting out at age 18.  Since the boy's legitimate psychological issues were never addressed while he was detained by for-profit quacks, his family bond was destroyed and when he came home from ASR he estranged himself from John and went back to his old behaviors (as almost every teen does after being detained by quacks) and got much more deeply into much harder drugs, turning to heroin to get his fix and escape from his terrible problems that his father refused to seek legitimate treatment for.

Eventually Michael Joshua Reuben overdosed on heroin and died due to his father's neglect in his time of need.

John's son Max H. Reuben is also a program veteran, but John declines to say which program.

Please lend your support in researching John's connections to the TTI and those of his firm STICC.

John, if you had followed sound medical advice, Mike would still be with us today.  Max, although still living, is deeply scarred by his experiences that you forced him into.  Now you want other people to follow your example which leads to psychological destruction or even death.  John used paid death notices in newspapers accross the country to draw attention to STICC and to get donations to send other kids to SUWS and ASR, a particularly misguided and disgusting thing to do.

Thank you to Mike's roommate [name withheld] who sought me out to tell Mike's story here and ask us here at Fornits to try to cripple STICC as a referral source to programs that verifiably kill children and are 100% ineffective.

R.I.P., Mike.  Your dad let you down, but your friends love you eternally.   :peace:

Please add your thoughts to this topic.

[Anonymous]

"In 2004, when I found out Michael had drug problems, I founded Saving Teens in Crisis Collaborative to help disadvantaged youths participate in programs too expensive for them."

John, when you discovered Mike had a drug problem, instead of founding STICC to help other kids, you should have supported your son by getting him medically-based treatment for his drug problem.  Why would anyone faced with this situation start a business instead of focusing on their own child's problem?  Don't you see that your refusal to get directly involved in Mike's life is what drove him to drugs in the first place?  Then your solution to this was to have him locked up instead of put into scientifically proven therapy?

John, is this one of the "STICCy results that last a lifetime"?  I guess it is if "lifetime" means "22 years."

[Whooter]

"In 2004, when I found out Michael had drug problems, I founded Saving Teens in Crisis Collaborative to help disadvantaged youths participate in programs too expensive for them."

John, when you discovered Mike had a drug problem, instead of founding STICC to help other kids, you should have supported your son by getting him medically-based treatment for his drug problem.  Why would anyone faced with this situation start a business instead of focusing on their own child's problem?  Don't you see that your refusal to get directly involved in Mike's life is what drove him to drugs in the first place?  Then your solution to this was to have him locked up instead of put into scientifically proven therapy?

John, is this one of the "STICCy results that last a lifetime"?  I guess it is if "lifetime" means "22 years."

[Anonymous]

John D. Reuben is a wanna-be EdCon 'who' started a business making referrals to known abusive programs.  He has linked up with some of the most familiar bogeymen of the TTI such as Lon Woodbury, Martha Kolbe and many others, like NATSAP and Aspen Education.

John's son, 'who' was forced into two abusive programs, SUWS and ASR, did not receive the help he desperately needed from the unlicensed, unseducated staff of SUWS and ASR, but he was able to make it through, getting out at age 18.  Since the boy's legitimate psychological issues were never addressed while he was detained by for-profit quacks, his family bond was destroyed and when he came home from ASR he estranged himself from John and went back to his old behaviors (as almost every teen does after being detained by quacks) and got much more deeply into much harder drugs, turning to heroin to get his fix and escape from his terrible problems that his father refused to seek legitimate treatment for.

Eventually Michael Joshua Reuben overdosed on heroin and died due to his father's neglect in his time of need.

John's son Max H. Reuben is also a program veteran, but John declines to say which program.

Please lend your support in researching John's connections to the TTI and those of his firm STICC.

John, if you had followed sound medical advice, Mike would still be with us today.  Max, although still living, is deeply scarred by his experiences that you forced him into.  Now you want other people to follow your example which leads to psychological destruction or even death.  John used paid death notices in newspapers accross the country to draw attention to STICC and to get donations to send other kids to SUWS and ASR, a particularly misguided and disgusting thing to do.

Thank you to Mike's roommate [name withheld] who sought me out to tell Mike's story here and ask us here at Fornits to try to cripple STICC as a referral source to programs that verifiably kill children and are 100% ineffective.

R.I.P., Mike.  Your dad let you down, but your friends love you eternally.   :peace:

Please add your thoughts to this topic.

[Anonymous]

"In 2004, when I found out Michael had drug problems, I founded Saving Teens in Crisis Collaborative to help disadvantaged youths participate in programs too expensive for them."

John, when you discovered Mike had a drug problem, instead of founding STICC to help other kids, you should have supported your son by getting him medically-based treatment for his drug problem.  Why would anyone faced with this situation start a business instead of focusing on their own child's problem?  Don't you see that your refusal to get directly involved in Mike's life is what drove him to drugs in the first place?  Then your solution to this was to have him locked up instead of put into scientifically proven therapy?

John, is this one of the "STICCy results that last a lifetime"?  I guess it is if "lifetime" means "22 years."

[Anonymous]

John D. Reuben is a wanna-be EdCon 'who' started a business making referrals to known abusive programs.  He has linked up with some of the most familiar bogeymen of the TTI such as Lon Woodbury, Martha Kolbe and many others, like NATSAP and Aspen Education.

John's son, 'who' was forced into two abusive programs, SUWS and ASR, did not receive the help he desperately needed from the unlicensed, unseducated staff of SUWS and ASR, but he was able to make it through, getting out at age 18.  Since the boy's legitimate psychological issues were never addressed while he was detained by for-profit quacks, his family bond was destroyed and when he came home from ASR he estranged himself from John and went back to his old behaviors (as almost every teen does after being detained by quacks) and got much more deeply into much harder drugs, turning to heroin to get his fix and escape from his terrible problems that his father refused to seek legitimate treatment for.

Eventually Michael Joshua Reuben overdosed on heroin and died due to his father's neglect in his time of need.

John's son Max H. Reuben is also a program veteran, but John declines to say which program.

Please lend your support in researching John's connections to the TTI and those of his firm STICC.

John, if you had followed sound medical advice, Mike would still be with us today.  Max, although still living, is deeply scarred by his experiences that you forced him into.  Now you want other people to follow your example which leads to psychological destruction or even death.  John used paid death notices in newspapers accross the country to draw attention to STICC and to get donations to send other kids to SUWS and ASR, a particularly misguided and disgusting thing to do.

Thank you to Mike's roommate [name withheld] who sought me out to tell Mike's story here and ask us here at Fornits to try to cripple STICC as a referral source to programs that verifiably kill children and are 100% ineffective.

R.I.P., Mike.  Your dad let you down, but your friends love you eternally.   :peace:

Please add your thoughts to this topic.

[Whooter]

I'm only speaking for myself.  I told this guy several times not to trifle with me, but he did it anyway.  

Apparently some people here either knew or suspected "who" he was but lacked the testicular fortitude to buck up.  I do not suffer from that shortcoming.

John David Reuben posted for nearly five years here, mostly anonymously, taunting and degrading people who suffered at the hands of people just like him.  

People like John David Reuben, a.k.a. Thewho , believe children are commodities and any business that can raise its earned value added assessment by exploiting their vulnerability for financial gain is a good business.  For people like John, children have no rights and no say.

To add insult to injury, he then claims to be a "survivor " because people loathe him here and told him so, as if he had no choice but to stay and take it.  

He could have left by his own volition at any time to stop whatever discomfort he may have felt (which I suspect is none anyway; he got off on it), a luxury not afforded to privately incarcerated children like his sons, Mike (RIP) and Max, whom were both forced into programs against their will and forced to stay there until they turned 18 or until daddy gave their jailers the OK to cut them loose.  

Therein is the crux of the argument.  He railroads children into virtual private kiddie jails where they have no choice but to cope with the abuse and neglect, but poor little Johnny paints himself as a victim here, like a fucking impotent crybaby.  

This is a man who doesn't deserve to have children in the first place.  And I'm going to spend every minute of my spare time educating anyone who will listen about what a twisted little psychopath this scrawny little bastard is.

I have read his posts and this is true.

I agree This is true.

[Troll Control]

"In 2004, when I found out Michael had drug problems, I founded Saving Teens in Crisis Collaborative to help disadvantaged youths participate in programs too expensive for them."

John, when you discovered Mike had a drug problem, instead of founding STICC to help other kids, you should have supported your son by getting him medically-based treatment for his drug problem.  Why would anyone faced with this situation start a business instead of focusing on their own child's problem?  Don't you see that your refusal to get directly involved in Mike's life is what drove him to drugs in the first place?  Then your solution to this was to have him locked up instead of put into scientifically proven therapy?

John, is this one of the "STICCy results that last a lifetime"?  I guess it is if "lifetime" means "22 years."[/quote]

This is sad : (