John D. Reuben and SavingTeens.org

[Whooter]

Christ!!!  With how much time you spend altering everyone's posts, you've GOT to be getting paid by Aspen or Reuben.  Do you have a job or is this it??  Do you sit there all fucking day, watching and waiting for a post to pop up so you can fuck with it?

Classic program tactics.  As I said, have at it asshole.  Keep proving our point.  Keep posting.

Dont get upset.  Your message is still getting out.  That is the important thing.

[Troll Control]

This is part of It's obsession, folks.  It needs to needle.  It needs to make others feel bad so It can feel good.  If It wants to spend It's days and nights posting obsessively, let It.  Keep posting your thoughts, opinions and references.  If It wants to spend all of It's time editing your posts to insert It's links, that's It's business.  In my experience, you can keep It busy through It's own compulsion to get the last word.  Keep It up all night replying.  Keep it busy doing It's stupid little project.  It gets no results from It's efforts, so why bother trying to curtail It's actions?  The longer It's tied up here doing useless busywork the less It's available to weigh in in other threads.  Remember, you are controlling It's behavior.  You are making It do the things It does.  It has no control and you have all the control.  Keep up the good work!  Force It to continue your busywork.

[Whooter]

This is part of It's obsession, folks.  It needs to needle.  It needs to make others feel bad so It can feel good.  If It wants to spend It's days and nights posting obsessively, let It.  Keep posting your thoughts, opinions and references.  If It wants to spend all of It's time editing your posts to insert It's links, that's It's business.  In my experience, you can keep It busy through It's own compulsion to get the last word.  Keep It up all night replying.  Keep it busy doing It's stupid little project.  It gets no results from It's efforts, so why bother trying to curtail It's actions?  The longer It's tied up here doing useless busywork the less It's available to weigh in in other threads.  remember, you are controlling It's behavior.  You are making It do the things It does.  It has no control and you have all the control.  Keep up the good work!  Force It to continue your busywork.

Good Point!!

[Troll Control]

This is part of It's obsession, folks.  It needs to needle.  It needs to make others feel bad so It can feel good.  If It wants to spend It's days and nights posting obsessively, let It.  Keep posting your thoughts, opinions and references.  If It wants to spend all of It's time editing your posts to insert It's links, that's It's business.  In my experience, you can keep It busy through It's own compulsion to get the last word.  Keep It up all night replying.  Keep it busy doing It's stupid little project.  It gets no results from It's efforts, so why bother trying to curtail It's actions?  The longer It's tied up here doing useless busywork the less It's available to weigh in in other threads.  Remember, you are controlling It's behavior.  You are making It do the things It does.  It has no control and you have all the control.  Keep up the good work!  Force It to continue your busywork.

Yes, I thought this was a good point as well when I wrote it.

[Anne Bonney]

This is nothing more than a father who has an incredible amount of guilt for what he did to his kid and is now scrambling to convince himself that what he did was right.

[Troll Control]

This is nothing more than a father who has an incredible amount of guilt for what he did to his kid and is now scrambling to convince himself that what he did was right.

Oh, I disagree.  This is a person who views people, even his own son, as commodities or as a means to an end.  He's a bit of a sociopath who objectifies people and treats them as "product."  He views his son's death as a means to an end:  MONEY.  If he can profit from his own child's death, he'll do it.  If he can convince others to send their kids to the same fate as his in order to make money, he'll do it.

This is a deeply disturbed person, not a guilt-ridden one.

[Troll Control]

It's sad, but true.  DJ is right on about this.

[Whooter]

This is nothing more than a father who has an incredible amount of guilt for what he did to his kid and is now scrambling to convince himself that what he did was right.

Oh, I disagree.  This is a person who views people, even his own son, as commodities or as a means to an end.  He's a bit of a sociopath who objectifies people and treats them as "product."  He views his son's death as a means to an end:MONEY.  If he can profit from his own child's death, he'll do it.  If he can convince others to send their kids to the same fate as his in order to make money, he'll do it.

This is a deeply disturbed person, not a guilt-ridden one.

Actually you are all wrong.  All my kids are doing fine, but it is fun watching you run in circles... who am I today? Alan Newman?  John Reuben?  Peter ?  So many I cant remember. Sociopath says the so called mental health professional.. which speaks volumes.  I remember the same crowd calling foul when professionals would place kids into programs without meeting them and diagnosing them over the phone.

I think we can agree that if I can help a child attain the same fate as my children then we are all doing good.  So even through all of this there is some consensus.

[Troll Control]

Lols.  Whooter, you're a lousy parent and a lousy human being.  You can't clean that up!  

Whover you may or may not be, your obsession here is on display for all to see.  

Don't take my word for it, just read the thread entitled "TheWho" and you will see for yourself how disturbed this person is.  He's here day and night, day after day posting, posting, posting, but never exhibiting any substance, just trolling.  

I can't imagine how you have any time for a family or kids when you're here up to 16 hours each day.  Maybe you have imaginary children spawned from your dozens of imaginary identities?  Hell if I know.  I don't care either.  

All that's important to me is that any reader with a modicum of interest can clearly see you are a huge liar with an agenda to fill beds at programs.

I can see how frustrated you are by having your ass handed to you yet again in debate, so you skulk here and announce "My kids are great!  You'll be lucky to have great kids like mine!" trying to puff up your deflated ego.  But nobody's buying it, so why bother.  Get a hobby, champ.

Or maybe if you're such a tough guy, I'll box you (or kickbox or MMA, you choose) for charity.  If I win, all money goes to anti-program activists.  If you win, it all goes to STICC.  What do you say?  Let's rock and roll.  I'll enjoy bashing your face in for a good cause!

[EDIT:  I have to run, so I can't stick around for the excuses, but I'll predict Whooter will pansy out of a charity slugfest, because he's a weak, chickenshit, powerless little internet troll and will instead try to spin this as me threatening him with violence.]

[Whooter]

Or maybe if you're such a tough guy, I'll box you (or kickbox or MMA, you choose) for charity. If I win, all money goes to anti-program activists. If you win, it all goes to STICC. What do you say? Let's rock and roll. I'll enjoy bashing your face in for a good cause!

Sorry you are so frustrated, DJ, but when you are wrong your wrong.  I do get enjoyment at your expense and  I am surprised that a mental health professional cant resolve conflict in a better venue than bashing someone’s face in.  Maybe a debating course may help you to hone your communication skills, DJ, or a different profession.

Try to not take life so seriously and focus on getting these kids some help instead of protecting your ego.  Who cares if you win an argument or not?  Try to put energy onto helping the kids you claim are being damaged by these programs.

[Whooter]

First off I’d like to say you post a good argument and if you are the same poster on the other threads I agree with you mostly.  But I would like to say that I have been reading here awhile and know for a fact that Dysfunction Junction is a good guy at heart.  He just gets out of hand sometimes when he loses an argument.  He worked in a program years ago and believes them to be abusive but isn’t articulate enough to express what he is feeling so he resorts to violence and name calling when he loses an argument.  I saw the post where he wanted to punch you out, but again this is a result of his frustration in lack of communication skills.  He has gained credibility here by telling everyone that he is a mental health professional but we all know that professionals in this field don’t resolve their differences through violence and name calling.
Give the guy some space and understand that he is frustrated and angry towards the industry.
  He is not a bad guy and is just looking for people to understand what he went thru.

[Troll Control]

Well, RobertBruce was indeed right about Whooter.  He's a coward.  

He has a chance to earn some money for a charitable cause, but he's too afraid of big, bad, DJ (a bookworm) to have a fight in the ring for charity.  Whooter is simply a message board bully and a real-life coward.  It's not like anyone would really get hurt and it's for a good cause, but, alas, Whooter is too afraid to step up.  

It tells al ot about his character.  This is why his kids had to go to programs.  Whooter couldn't man up and be a good parent.  He chose the easy way out.

When it comes time to put up or shut up, he runs away.  Why not put your money where your mouth is so DJ can put his fist in your money, little coward?

I think we all knew this is how Whooter would handle confrontation.  Ha, Ha, Ha.

[Whooter]

Well, RobertBruce was indeed right about Whooter.  He's a coward (sting!!).  

He has a chance to earn some money for a charitable cause, but he's too afraid of big, bad, DJ (a bookworm) to have a fight in the ring for charity.  Whooter is simply a message board bully and a real-life coward (Sting. Sting!!)!!).  It's not like anyone would really get hurt and it's for a good cause, but, alas, Whooter is too afraid to step up.  

It tells al ot about his character.  This is why his kids had to go to programs.  Whooter couldn't man up and be a good parent.  He chose the easy way out.

When it comes time to put up or shut up, he runs away.  Why not put your money where your mouth is so DJ can put his fist in your money, little coward(Sting!!,Sting!!,Sting!!)?

I think we all knew this is how Whooter would handle confrontation.  Ha, Ha, Ha.

RB, you came came up for air finally.....  Ha,Ha,Ha  Kind of stings for ya?  Bring back memories Sting,Sting!!  You have been chompin at the bit to use the word, but it comes with a price (sting!!, Sting!!)


Sorry, RB, Couldnt resist ..... dont take it personally.

[Whooter]

First off I’d like to say you post a good argument and if you are the same poster on the other threads I agree with you mostly.  But I would like to say that I have been reading here awhile and know for a fact that Dysfunction Junction is a good guy at heart.  He just gets out of hand sometimes when he loses an argument.  He worked in a program years ago and believes them to be abusive but isn’t articulate enough to express what he is feeling so he resorts to violence and name calling when he loses an argument.  I saw the post where he wanted to punch you out, but again this is a result of his frustration in lack of communication skills.  He has gained credibility here by telling everyone that he is a mental health professional but we all know that professionals in this field don’t resolve their differences through violence and name calling.
Give the guy some space and understand that he is frustrated and angry towards the industry.
  He is not a bad guy and is just looking for people to understand what he went thru.

Thank you Peg, I think you nailed him, although, I dont think he is a mental health professional as you stated.  He may work in the field but not in a professional capacity which is obvious by the way he handles conflict and communicates.  He is just upset because no one wants to meet him in California, the job market is down, most people disagree with him and HLA is coming back under a new name.  So, I agree with you that we all need to give him some space to vent and he then he will go back to his job search soon enough.

[Troll Control]

Well, RobertBruce was indeed right about Whooter.  He's a coward.  

He has a chance to earn some money for a charitable cause, but he's too afraid of big, bad, DJ (a bookworm) to have a fight in the ring for charity.  Whooter is simply a message board bully and a real-life coward.  It's not like anyone would really get hurt and it's for a good cause, but, alas, Whooter is too afraid to step up.  

It tells al ot about his character.  This is why his kids had to go to programs.  Whooter couldn't man up and be a good parent.  He chose the easy way out.

When it comes time to put up or shut up, he runs away.  Why not put your money where your mouth is so DJ can put his fist in your money, little coward?

I think we all knew this is how Whooter would handle confrontation.  Ha, Ha, Ha.

Funny.  This is true.  It was even said prior to proposing a charity boxing match that Whooter would tuck tail and squeal he's been threatened with violence :waaaa: .  He did.

Personally, I think Whooter has such big issues with DJ because DJ is all of the things Whooter will never be - highly educated, honest, hard-working, self-made, a great dad and built like an Adonis.  Since Whooter has been owned by DJ for years, his natural reaction is to run away and try to attack from the shadows with many of his phony identities to try to make it seem like he's not irrelevent, but he is.  He had a chance to be relevent, to help kids and raise money for a good cause, but he was too chicken to help the kids.  Par for the course with this extreme coward.  Whooter is just staying the course that was laid for him.  He's a trust fund baby whose mommy and daddy made every decision for him right up until they passed away and that's when Whooter really fell off the tracks.  Faced with the reality of having to do things for himself and raise his kids without grandma and grandpa, he failed miserably and his kids ended up in two of the most notoriously abusive kiddie jails, ASR and HLA.  He continues to be a petty, bitter little weakling here and in the real world.  It's a sad life, but he's too weak to change.  If he can somehow grow a set of balls I bet DJ would still have the charity event, but I doubt Whooter will ever have any balls.  :rofl: