John D. Reuben and SavingTeens.org

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Oh my God.  My wife's sister had her son "placed" by this person into a highly abusive facility.  She ended up getting her son out (which this guy fought along with the program) and suing them.  I had no idea he had this type of history with his own children and his wife.  This is scaring me now.  I'm going to call my sister and aske her if her attorney knows about all of this.

Biz-umpety!

Keep the sunlight on this vampire.

[Anonymous]

From: John Reuben [mailto:jreuben@savingteens.org] Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 10:16 PMTo: VentureFuel@msn.com
Subject: Passing Away Of My Son Michael

Friends & Associates,Many of you may have already heard about the passing of my son, Michael, this past weekend as the result of substance abuse related issues. As much as I have tried these many years, I could not help Mike escape the grip of his drugs of choice. And now I am faced with a void in my life that will be impossible to replace.Substance abuse is a horrid disease, a plague on our society. In 2004 I realized that my son had this problem and looked for a constructive way to channel my energies from worrying about my son. I formed a non-profit called Saving Teens In Crisis Collaborative (STICC) to help disadvantaged families with their children.

This is when TheWho's research into teen programming really began.  He trolled Fornits as a way to avoid "worrying about (his) son."  Somehow I doubt all of this trolling will bring any kind of resolution for TheWho.

Anyway, this is the timeline for TheWho's arrival on Fornits, which became full-blown incessant, vapid trolling soon thereafter, culminating in directly attacking a kid who was abused at HLA, a favorite program of his key associate, Martha Kolbe, who continues to refer children to the abusive teen shitpit to this day.

Personally, I wouldn't be seeking help from a man with no conscience or morals, like John.  Reading his posts here make me cringe and some make me feel sick to my stomach from the rationalization of hurting kids to 'help' them.

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Oh my God.  My wife's sister had her son "placed" by this person into a highly abusive facility.  She ended up getting her son out (which this guy fought along with the program) and suing them.  I had no idea he had this type of history with his own children and his wife.  This is scaring me now.  I'm going to call my sister and aske her if her attorney knows about all of this.

[Whooter]

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[Anonymous]

John D. Reuben is a wanna-be EdCon 'who' started a business making referrals to known abusive programs.  He has linked up with some of the most familiar bogeymen of the TTI such as Lon Woodbury, Martha Kolbe and many others, like NATSAP and Aspen Education.

John's son, 'who' was forced into two abusive programs, SUWS and ASR, did not receive the help he desperately needed from the unlicensed, unseducated staff of SUWS and ASR, but he was able to make it through, getting out at age 18.  Since the boy's legitimate psychological issues were never addressed while he was detained by for-profit quacks, his family bond was destroyed and when he came home from ASR he estranged himself from John and went back to his old behaviors (as almost every teen does after being detained by quacks) and got much more deeply into much harder drugs, turning to heroin to get his fix and escape from his terrible problems that his father refused to seek legitimate treatment for.

Eventually Michael Joshua Reuben overdosed on heroin and died due to his father's neglect in his time of need.

John's son Max H. Reuben is also a program veteran, but John declines to say which program.

Please lend your support in researching John's connections to the TTI and those of his firm STICC.

John, if you had followed sound medical advice, Mike would still be with us today.  Max, although still living, is deeply scarred by his experiences that you forced him into.  Now you want other people to follow your example which leads to psychological destruction or even death.  John used paid death notices in newspapers accross the country to draw attention to STICC and to get donations to send other kids to SUWS and ASR, a particularly misguided and disgusting thing to do.

Thank you to Mike's roommate [name withheld] who sought me out to tell Mike's story here and ask us here at Fornits to try to cripple STICC as a referral source to programs that verifiably kill children and are 100% ineffective.

R.I.P., Mike.  Your dad let you down, but your friends love you eternally.   :peace:

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"In 2004, when I found out Michael had drug problems, I founded Saving Teens in Crisis Collaborative to help disadvantaged youths participate in programs too expensive for them."

John, when you discovered Mike had a drug problem, instead of founding STICC to help other kids, you should have supported your son by getting him medically-based treatment for his drug problem.  Why would anyone faced with this situation start a business instead of focusing on their own child's problem?  Don't you see that your refusal to get directly involved in Mike's life is what drove him to drugs in the first place?  Then your solution to this was to have him locked up instead of put into scientifically proven therapy?

John, is this one of the "STICCy results that last a lifetime"?  I guess it is if "lifetime" means "22 years."

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"In 2004, when I found out Michael had drug problems, I founded Saving Teens in Crisis Collaborative to help disadvantaged youths participate in programs too expensive for them."

John, when you discovered Mike had a drug problem, instead of founding STICC to help other kids, you should have supported your son by getting him medically-based treatment for his drug problem.  Why would anyone faced with this situation start a business instead of focusing on their own child's problem?  Don't you see that your refusal to get directly involved in Mike's life is what drove him to drugs in the first place?  Then your solution to this was to have him locked up instead of put into scientifically proven therapy?

John, is this one of the "STICCy results that last a lifetime"?  I guess it is if "lifetime" means "22 years."

[Anonymous]

Using Mikey's obit as a marketing tool for STICC:

REUBEN, Michael Joshua Age 22, of Sudbury, MA. Beloved son of John D. Reuben. Brother of Max H. Reuben. Musician, artist and sales executive. We will miss our child and the young man he became. Addiction was the illness that took him, but never the essence of who he was. Also survived by his loving grandmother, and numerous dear aunts, uncles, cousins and friends, including the Abreu and Reuben/Glanzman families of Somerville and the Frias family of Hudson. Donations may be made in his memory to: Saving Teens in Crisis Collaborative, a non-profit organization founded by John Reuben to assist troubled teens and their families struggling with substance abuse and other emotional issues. http://www.savingteens.org <http://www.savingteens.org/> P.O. Box 441363, West Somerville, MA 02144

John ran several paid obit's accross the country, each one used as a donation portal for the TTI.

[Whooter]

Bruce, calm down, the only reason you are taking it this hard and personally is because this guy, John, owned you for so many years.  Try renting a movie or taking a walk.  It is quite possible that this guy could be a non practicing jew who doesnt believe the holocaust occurred which would mean history would not be repeating itself in his eyes.  So it is all a matter of perspective and this "final solution" could be new ground for him.

My name isn't Bruce and I have no relationship with Reuben other than reading the forum, so he has no ownership of me.  As a parent I find Reuben deplorable, an opportunist on the level of Polly Klaas' father, who exploited his daughter's murder for gain.

Why are you people so interested in defending John Reuben? Why is he valuable to you?  The usual threads I read on Fornits are cluttered with posts like yours above.  You make fun of these kids who claim they've suffered and defend a guy who shows no concern for the safety of other parents' kids.  

The topic of John D. Reuben needs to be on other forums other than Fornits, like FICAN and CAFETY, so parents can be made aware of what Reuben promotes and his horrible "proof" that it works.  All of these things his defenders are saying need to be included in any discussion of Reuben to show how evil and heartless these people are.  There certainly are a lot of people speaking for Reuben, like the cad above.  You must know him really well.  This does remind me of Sue Scheff and her backers.  Now some of Scheff's backers are here, or they were sued by Scheff.

"Perspective"?  I guess John D. Reuben puts a positive spin on the Holocaust now?  I'm not Jewish and I consider the Holocaust an abomination.  How do you expect to sway parents to put kids in an AEG school when you behave like the worst juvenile delinquents, defending your programs by insulting and further abusing kids you do not know?  Isn't it bad enough John D. Reuben lost his son, despite the obviously futile programs?

What is perfectly clear is that John D. Reuben and his AEG cohorts make it obvious they have an Achilles' heel and the people who suffered in the programs he sells have found it and the screaming and profanity out of AEG and Reuben have been shocking.  Reuben and AEG would have been better served by silence rather than attacking kids who were abused.  

Poster above:  Have any children suffered abuse or death in an Aspen program?  A "Yes" answer means you are aware of the problems inherent in your system and you still promote it.  I've seen no statements from AEG announcing a ban on corporal punishment, or even the introduction of legitimate treatment.

John D. Reuben and STICC, you have some media attention coming to you, and it will not be the type you want.  You can refuse to participate but you lose the chance to rebut.  Based on the information on this forum and your alleged activities as a troll called "the who", you might want to get your foulmouthed fanatics to take time out and work the spin machine.  Miller Newton is the only other person who comes to mind as evil and without conscience as John D. Reuben and his cohorts at AEG.

RIP, Michael Reuben.  A lot of people are speaking for your father, how sad no one can speak for you.

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"In 2004, when I found out Michael had drug problems, I founded Saving Teens in Crisis Collaborative to help disadvantaged youths participate in programs too expensive for them."

John, when you discovered Mike had a drug problem, instead of founding STICC to help other kids, you should have supported your son by getting him medically-based treatment for his drug problem.  Why would anyone faced with this situation start a business instead of focusing on their own child's problem?  Don't you see that your refusal to get directly involved in Mike's life is what drove him to drugs in the first place?  Then your solution to this was to have him locked up instead of put into scientifically proven therapy?

John, is this one of the "STICCy results that last a lifetime"?  I guess it is if "lifetime" means "22 years."

This marketing spin makes me nauseous.  We're talking about HUMAN BEINGS here, John.  I know the conscienceless, like yourself, see children as commodities, but this is WAY out of line.  You disgust me, sir.

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"In 2004, when I found out Michael had drug problems, I founded Saving Teens in Crisis Collaborative to help disadvantaged youths participate in programs too expensive for them."

John, when you discovered Mike had a drug problem, instead of founding STICC to help other kids, you should have supported your son by getting him medically-based treatment for his drug problem.  Why would anyone faced with this situation start a business instead of focusing on their own child's problem?  Don't you see that your refusal to get directly involved in Mike's life is what drove him to drugs in the first place?  Then your solution to this was to have him locked up instead of put into scientifically proven therapy?

John, is this one of the "STICCy results that last a lifetime"?  I guess it is if "lifetime" means "22 years."

This marketing spin makes me nauseous.  We're talking about HUMAN BEINGS here, John.  I know the conscienceless, like yourself, see children as commodities, but this is WAY out of line.  You disgust me, sir.

Of course you are nauseous.  That is because you are weak and lack foresight like most people. See the problem is you miss the bigger picture.  You think small and think problems can be solved by hugging people.  People and kids dont need hugs they need solutions, they need to know someone is in control and can make them feel safe.  Most parents jump in and try to save their child by getting involved in their lives.  But the truth is it is too late at this point to save them by this approach because they have traveled too far down the path.  The parents should have been more involved all along.  So instead of taking the road everyone else was taking another option was to start a business around the problem.  This way you not only get help for your child but you find you are able to raise money for other kids to be placed and after the smoke settles 2 things occur:

1.   It doesn’t cost a dime for treatment and
2.    You can actually reverse the flow and have a few coins end up back in your pocket to boot.

You need to always keep a level head and look for opportunity when others are panicking.  This is key and is the Hallmark of successful people.  Whenever something is going terribly bad try to think about how you can profit by it and turn it around into something good.  I have always been a firm believer that there exists a silver lining in every situation.  It is our jobs to find it and utilize it or someone else will.

As far as trying to find something scientifically proven, that is hogwash.  By the time any good set of studies are completed the treatment is outdated and people have moved on to something more "leading edge".  Hell they still cant figure out how bees fly but that doesnt prevent us from enjoying the honey.

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But the facilities you refer to don't offer treatment (see Aspen lawsuit where they admit offering 'no treatment, medical or psychological'), so that's a non-starter.  Based on that it looks like you're just out to make a buck off crippled families that need real help, from educated, licensed professionals, unlike those that Aspen offers.

And what about outcomes?  Your kid is dead, along with many others.  Didn't exactly work out as you planned with your experimental 'treatment' of your child, did it?  

About the money issue - How much savings is a dead child worth?  100k?  50k?  What?

[Whooter]

But the facilities you refer to don't offer treatment (see Aspen lawsuit where they admit offering 'no treatment, medical or psychological'), so that's a non-starter.  Based on that it looks like you're just out to make a buck off crippled families that need real help, from educated, licensed professionals, unlike those that Aspen offers.

And what about outcomes?  Your kid is dead, along with many others.  Didn't exactly work out as you planned with your experimental 'treatment' of your child, did it?  

About the money issue - How much savings is a dead child worth?  100k?  50k?  What?

Doesn’t matter what they offer as long as the kid is kept safe and gets placed back on the right path.  Some families require licensed psychologists and others do not.  If it were one size fits all then Ed-cons would not be needed.  As far as kids dying, all people die. Show me a long term outcome study where everyone lived.  They don’t exist.  Finally there is nothing wrong with making money.  Show me someone who is happy and well developed that is not  making money.  They don’t exist.
So you see you get yourself caught up in all the details..."This lawyer said this in that lawsuit".... "This child died 3 years after eating at a McDonalds"....."That child committed suicide because he was denied entrance into a program"...... etc.  These are all individual data points which lead to no conclusion.  If you step back and look at the larger picture, like I suggested earlier, you will see the benefit the industry provides.

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John D. Reuben is a wanna-be EdCon 'who' started a business making referrals to known abusive programs.  He has linked up with some of the most familiar bogeymen of the TTI such as Lon Woodbury, Martha Kolbe and many others, like NATSAP and Aspen Education.

John's son, 'who' was forced into two abusive programs, SUWS and ASR, did not receive the help he desperately needed from the unlicensed, unseducated staff of SUWS and ASR, but he was able to make it through, getting out at age 18.  Since the boy's legitimate psychological issues were never addressed while he was detained by for-profit quacks, his family bond was destroyed and when he came home from ASR he estranged himself from John and went back to his old behaviors (as almost every teen does after being detained by quacks) and got much more deeply into much harder drugs, turning to heroin to get his fix and escape from his terrible problems that his father refused to seek legitimate treatment for.

Eventually Michael Joshua Reuben overdosed on heroin and died due to his father's neglect in his time of need.

John's son Max H. Reuben is also a program veteran, but John declines to say which program.

Please lend your support in researching John's connections to the TTI and those of his firm STICC.

John, if you had followed sound medical advice, Mike would still be with us today.  Max, although still living, is deeply scarred by his experiences that you forced him into.  Now you want other people to follow your example which leads to psychological destruction or even death.  John used paid death notices in newspapers accross the country to draw attention to STICC and to get donations to send other kids to SUWS and ASR, a particularly misguided and disgusting thing to do.

Thank you to Mike's roommate [name withheld] who sought me out to tell Mike's story here and ask us here at Fornits to try to cripple STICC as a referral source to programs that verifiably kill children and are 100% ineffective.

R.I.P., Mike.  Your dad let you down, but your friends love you eternally.   :peace:

Please add your thoughts to this topic.

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But the facilities you refer to don't offer treatment (see Aspen lawsuit where they admit offering 'no treatment, medical or psychological'), so that's a non-starter.  Based on that it looks like you're just out to make a buck off crippled families that need real help, from educated, licensed professionals, unlike those that Aspen offers.

And what about outcomes?  Your kid is dead, along with many others.  Didn't exactly work out as you planned with your experimental 'treatment' of your child, did it?  

About the money issue - How much savings is a dead child worth?  100k?  50k?  What?

Doesn’t matter what they offer as long as the kid is kept safe and gets placed back on the right path.  Some families require licensed psychologists and others do not.  If it were one size fits all then Ed-cons would not be needed.  As far as kids dying, all people die. Show me a long term outcome study where everyone lived.  They don’t exist.  Finally there is nothing wrong with making money.  Show me someone who is happy and well developed that is not  making money.  They don’t exist.
So you see you get yourself caught up in all the details..."This lawyer said this in that lawsuit".... "This child died 3 years after eating at a McDonalds"....."That child committed suicide because he was denied entrance into a program"...... etc.  These are all individual data points which lead to no conclusion.  If you step back and look at the larger picture, like I suggested earlier, you will see the benefit the industry provides.

No, the lawsuit specifically goes after Aspen for NOT providing treatment.  Aspens DEFENSE was that they do not provide treatment and never agreed to do so.  That's the "larger picture."

Show a long-term outcome study that shows these quacks to be helpful.  That's your burden.  You're the seller.

So, if money's not an issue, just shoot us straight.  How much savings is worth letting you and STICC destroy our children?  Put a number on it.