John D. Reuben and SavingTeens.org

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Sooo...  About John Reuben's connection to Aspen...  John D. Reuben of STICC (an Aspen "feeder" organization) sends children to Aspen programs where they receive no treatment, as stated by AEG's attorneys, on public record, under oath, at trial.

Ladies and Gentlemen, please be duly advised that John D. Reuben and STICC knowingly and willfully send your children to Aspen programs where they will, by definition, not receive any treatment whatsover.

My bold prediction?  There will be Whooter and maybe a few other die-hards here shortly arguing that the above facts don't make AEG's programs "bad," but rather they have been "proven effective" using their untrained, uneducated, unlicensed "counselors" despite the "legalese of the lawsuit" and many, many more parents, after having read said facts above, will send their kids to Aspen programs anyway.

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This needs to stay near the top for a while.  Aspen Education Group is nothing more than a bunch of con artists.

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Sooo...  About John Reuben's connection to Aspen...  John D. Reuben of STICC (an Aspen "feeder" organization) sends children to Aspen programs where they receive no treatment, as stated by AEG's attorneys, on public record, under oath, at trial.

Ladies and Gentlemen, please be duly advised that John D. Reuben and STICC knowingly and willfully send your children to Aspen programs where they will, by definition, not receive any treatment whatsover.

My bold prediction?  There will be Whooter and maybe a few other die-hards here shortly arguing that the above facts don't make AEG's programs "bad," but rather they have been "proven effective" using their untrained, uneducated, unlicensed "counselors" despite the "legalese of the lawsuit" and many, many more parents, after having read said facts above, will send their kids to Aspen programs anyway.

Good point!

[Whooter]

What if the one kid is a step child being ousted by a new step parent? (Stephen Fredricksen, the young man in the TB documentary, for example) Or the one kid is the whipping child for the dominant parent.

Of course there are exceptions and I understand what you are saying.  We cant sit here and say the problem is with the parents or with the child.  This can only be determined by a third party.........  there are tons of probabilities....What if the other kids in the family are doing fine and the parents treat all the kids equally but this one child just acts out?  What if the parents are as engaged as can be but the one child just heads down a destructive path?

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What if the one kid is a step child being ousted by a new step parent? (Stephen Fredricksen, the young man in the TB documentary, for example) Or the one kid is the whipping child for the dominant parent.

Of course there are exceptions and I understand what you are saying.  We cant sit here and say the problem is with the parents or with the child.  This can only be determined by a third party.........  there are tons of probabilities....What if the other kids in the family are doing fine and the parents treat all the kids equally but this one child just acts out?  What if the parents are as engaged as can be but the one child just heads down a destructive path?

We can sit here and talk about kids and parents with problems all day, but the one thing that has become abundantly clear is no troubled teen will get help with their troubles from any Aspen program.  They are not able to provide treatment and there are much better private boarding schools available.  Don't you agree?

[Whooter]

What if the one kid is a step child being ousted by a new step parent? (Stephen Fredricksen, the young man in the TB documentary, for example) Or the one kid is the whipping child for the dominant parent.

Of course there are exceptions and I understand what you are saying.  We cant sit here and say the problem is with the parents or with the child.  This can only be determined by a third party.........  there are tons of probabilities....What if the other kids in the family are doing fine and the parents treat all the kids equally but this one child just acts out?  What if the parents are as engaged as can be but the one child just heads down a destructive path?

Then obviously the cause isnt the parents.  The at-risk child needs to get help locally first to see if they can get them back to school.

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What if the one kid is a step child being ousted by a new step parent? (Stephen Fredricksen, the young man in the TB documentary, for example) Or the one kid is the whipping child for the dominant parent.

Of course there are exceptions and I understand what you are saying.  We cant sit here and say the problem is with the parents or with the child.  This can only be determined by a third party.........  there are tons of probabilities....What if the other kids in the family are doing fine and the parents treat all the kids equally but this one child just acts out?  What if the parents are as engaged as can be but the one child just heads down a destructive path?

We can sit here and talk about kids and parents with problems all day, but the one thing that has become abundantly clear is no troubled teen will get help with their troubles from any Aspen program.  They are not able to provide treatment and there are much better private boarding schools available.  Don't you agree?

Yes, I do agree.  Very good point.  Since Aspen admits that they don't offer treatment, there wouldn't be any use in sending my son there.  Their lawyers probably saved us a lot of headache, heartache and wasted time and money.

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Yes, I do agree.  Very good point.  Since Aspen admits that they don't offer treatment, there wouldn't be any use in sending my son there.  Their lawyers probably saved us a lot of headache, heartache and wasted time and money.

There you go, good question.  To be honest with you these kids don’t need treatment.  Most parents have tried all of the local options and they didn’t work.  What their kid needs is structure, solid routine and some people to listen to them.  They need to get their butts back into the classroom and give up the drugs for awhile until they mature enough to make a mature decision and balance their daily habits.  They need to give their families a break so they can get back to a sane household again and focus on their other kids who haven’t had much attention lately due to the upheaval.

Aspen doesn’t need to offer treatment, they need to offer results!  The studies indicate that better than 98% of all graduates move on to the college of their choice and integrate back into the family.  The other 2% either don’t graduate and leave early or end up posting on fornits all day trying to justify that their parents fucked up or the program fucked them up but it wasn’t their own fault.

Treatment?  pppfffsst.... controlled studies???  ppppfsst... by the time they are completed your kids will be finished college and you will have a little grandson bouncing on your knee.

I say let’s stop pussy footing around with all this crap and get your kid started on the path to success!!  Please speak with our bursar (2nd door on the left) prior to filling out an application.. no sense wasting both of our times!!!

[RMA Survivor]

First off, it wasn't a question, so your opening line was just dumb.  Wish you'd get back in to a classroom, save us all a lot of annoying replies, but as I mentioned earlier, I am feeling charitable towards you tonight, so I will do my best to give you the endless attention you crave.  You know, someone to just listen and talk to you.  

The poster was making what is known as a statement.  That because of the revelation that Aspen provides no actual therapy or professional counseling, parents seeking such, as they were, are happy to know about Aspen's lack of an actual program for treatment before they spend thousands on something their child does not need.

You see, what parents are looking for is help and the best possible advice they can get.  Advice our parents did not receive before sending us off to these fix-all programs.  And though this site isn't primarily about giving advice to parents, we are more than happy to share our personal experiences with them.  Not yours.  We don't speak for you, we speak based on our experiences, and that is clearly something difficult for you to accept at your age.  As you get older and develop some maturity, this will not be such a problem for you to spot.  I can see you still have that teenager awkwardness when communicating with adults, and that is fine.  It is natural and you should not feel bad about this.  And some day when you attend college, you might be able to take some real courses that Aspen probably did not provide you, such as Speech and Debate.  Such a class would be extremely helpful to you.  

Though you were obviously a failure in school, failing to attend and using drugs as your last post suggests, many of us did not have such problems.  And there were quite a number of students at my school who actually needed real psychological counseling and treatment related to mental illness and in some instances dealing with issues of being molested as children, or abandoned.  What the parents above was commenting on was that if the parent needs actual licensed, professional counseling and treatment for their child, Aspen, which does not provide this, is not a good choice.  Your position that all kids need is a little structure and a kick in the ass that will somehow catapult them in to maturity, miraculously bequeathing the power to make strong life choices all on their own, is silly.  Of course teenagers often retain a certain Superman-complex well in to their twenties, believing simple solutions, usually involving violence or instant achievement with no work involved is a the best course of action.   As adults, we have to look at things with a little more depth and thought, especially where our children are concerned.

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Aspen doesn’t need to offer treatment, they need to offer results!

Yes!  And under your logic, I could get you to stop posting by punching your face in so bad that your skull caves in.  Problem solved!

So, what you're saying here is that any means necessary is fine with you as long as there are results.  Aspen thinks the same way.  Anyway, by your admission that Aspen doesn't provide treatment we can invalidate any claims you made about studies of treatment outcomes.  Thanks for the admission, even if it took you five years to tell the truth.

You must really hate children to subject them to this quackery.

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John Reuben and Saving Teens send kids to Aspen programs.  Why does John Reuben do this when Aspen has admitted their programs offer no treatment of any kind under any legal or conventional definition?  None.  They said they offer "no treatment, medical or psychological."  Why then is John Reuben and Saving Teens sending kids there?  Must be THE MONEY.

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Well, it's sure not for the welfare of the kids.  Why send them to Aspen if they won't get any treatment for their issues?  Seems silly to me to spend hundred of thousands of dollars for nothing.

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Sooo...  About John Reuben's connection to Aspen...  John D. Reuben of STICC (an Aspen "feeder" organization) sends children to Aspen programs where they receive no treatment, as stated by AEG's attorneys, on public record, under oath, at trial.

Ladies and Gentlemen, please be duly advised that John D. Reuben and STICC knowingly and willfully send your children to Aspen programs where they will, by definition, not receive any treatment whatsover.

My bold prediction?  There will be Whooter and maybe a few other die-hards here shortly arguing that the above facts don't make AEG's programs "bad," but rather they have been "proven effective" using their untrained, uneducated, unlicensed "counselors" despite the "legalese of the lawsuit" and many, many more parents, after having read said facts above, will send their kids to Aspen programs anyway.

I hope any parents offered 'help' by John Reuben and STICC read this and understand he refers kids to programs that practice therapy without a license.  It's criminal

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ASR, an unlicesned treatment center run by Aspen Education, killed John Reuben's son by neglect.  They offered him no treatment for his drug habit and he got out and overdosed and died.  Now John wants to send your kid there, too.  He's a very sick individual.

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THIS is the thread TheWho REALLY wants to go away.  He spends days arguing with RMA survivor derailing some other thread for fun while he watches this one sink down the list.  No worries.  I'm here to bump it back up where it belongs.  He won't even troll this thread because to troll it means to keep it at the top, something he's desperate to avoid, lest Fornits cut into his kickback scheme with Aspen.  I'm onto you, Whooter.