John D. Reuben and SavingTeens.org

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^^Whooter^^  I can tell it was the Whooter because he left out child molester and murderer.  He hates to be called that.  He is even trolling himself now!!!

Ah, Whootie, always seeking to dissemble.  One more, facts are facts.  Rueben sends kids to programs like HLA where sexual predators roam the grounds with more-or-less regular kids.  HLA takes court-ordered offenders and convicted sexual predators.  Yet Reuben still sent his kid there and refers others there as well.  What does that say about Reuben?

John, this isn't going away.  Why did you send your boys to ASR and HLA, two of the worst-of-the-worst programs out there?  Why should anyone believe you when you recommend placements at holes like ASR and HLA?

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Geez, John.  Even run-of-the-mill, unconnected, not-in-the-business-type parents know what HLA is all about.  If they know, why wouldn't you?  You're in the business of referring kids to places like HLA, but you seem unfazed by the facts that HLA abuses children and places them in a dangerous mix of pedophiles, rapists, sociopaths, etc.  

Why would you send your kid there and recommend that other parents do the same in light of this very serious report?

Parents, don't let John David Reuben of "Saving Teens In Crisis" get hold of your kid!

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John D. Reuben is a wanna-be EdCon 'who' started a business making referrals to known abusive programs.  He has linked up with some of the most familiar bogeymen of the TTI such as Lon Woodbury, Martha Kolbe and many others, like NATSAP and Aspen Education.

John's son, 'who' was forced into two abusive programs, SUWS and ASR, did not receive the help he desperately needed from the unlicensed, unseducated staff of SUWS and ASR, but he was able to make it through, getting out at age 18.  Since the boy's legitimate psychological issues were never addressed while he was detained by for-profit quacks, his family bond was destroyed and when he came home from ASR he estranged himself from John and went back to his old behaviors (as almost every teen does after being detained by quacks) and got much more deeply into much harder drugs, turning to heroin to get his fix and escape from his terrible problems that his father refused to seek legitimate treatment for.

Eventually Michael Joshua Reuben overdosed on heroin and died due to his father's neglect in his time of need.

John's son Max H. Reuben is also a program veteran, but John declines to say which program.

Please lend your support in researching John's connections to the TTI and those of his firm STICC.

John, if you had followed sound medical advice, Mike would still be with us today.  Max, although still living, is deeply scarred by his experiences that you forced him into.  Now you want other people to follow your example which leads to psychological destruction or even death.  John used paid death notices in newspapers accross the country to draw attention to STICC and to get donations to send other kids to SUWS and ASR, a particularly misguided and disgusting thing to do.

Thank you to Mike's roommate [name withheld] who sought me out to tell Mike's story here and ask us here at Fornits to try to cripple STICC as a referral source to programs that verifiably kill children and are 100% ineffective.

R.I.P., Mike.  Your dad let you down, but your friends love you eternally.   :peace:

Please add your thoughts to this topic.

We now know John sent Max to HLA, a confirmedly abusive facility with over 2500 pages of violations on ORS files.  Why, John?  Why did you send Max there?  Also, why was Max disallowed from leaving HLA to attend his mother's funeral?  Is that someone's idea of therapy at HLA?

These are tough questions, but many people would appreciate an answer, John.

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John David Reuben of Saving Teens In Crisis did this to his own child? These circumstances make one wonder about John David Reuben’s judgement. How does the man behind STIC explain his inability to research the truth behind the program he condemned his own child to?

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Let's give him the benefit of the doubt - he knew.  And he put his kid there anyway.  Either way, he's responsible for hurting his kid by proxy.

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Let's give him the benefit of the doubt - he knew.  And he put his kid there anyway.  Either way, he's responsible for hurting his kid by proxy.

Who is everyone talking to?  Has anyone notified this Reuben guy to let him know people are posting about him here?  I have never seen him respond here.

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John Reuben is The Who, in case you're not up to speed.  He posts here plenty.

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John Reuben is The Who, in case you're not up to speed.  He posts here plenty.

Well, I guess you could call me John or Peter or even Alan Newman if you like.  I am called all three... also previously went by "thewho".

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John David Reuben of Saving Teens In Crisis did this to his own child? These circumstances make one wonder about John David Reuben’s judgement. How does the man behind STIC explain his inability to research the truth behind the program he condemned his own child to?

Back on topic, please.

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I wonder why Jon chose ASR.  There seem to have been many deaths of kids from the period when Mike was there.  There is a large cluster of deaths around that 2000/2001 enrollment class.  It appears that out of 30 or so enrolled that year, at least 5 are dead.  This represents a pretty high death rate, IMO.

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I wonder why Jon chose ASR.  There seem to have been many deaths of kids from the period when Mike was there.  There is a large cluster of deaths around that 2000/2001 enrollment class.  It appears that out of 30 or so enrolled that year, at least 5 are dead.  This represents a pretty high death rate, IMO.

so far we have identified 3.... if we raise it to 5 then we are looking at a 99.5% success rate down from 99.7%

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I wonder why Jon chose ASR.  There seem to have been many deaths of kids from the period when Mike was there.  There is a large cluster of deaths around that 2000/2001 enrollment class.  It appears that out of 30 or so enrolled that year, at least 5 are dead.  This represents a pretty high death rate, IMO.

Five out of thirty is not very good.

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I wonder why Jon chose ASR.  There seem to have been many deaths of kids from the period when Mike was there.  There is a large cluster of deaths around that 2000/2001 enrollment class.  It appears that out of 30 or so enrolled that year, at least 5 are dead.  This represents a pretty high death rate, IMO.

Five out of thirty is not very good.

No it isnt, 5 out of 5 is even worse... but 3 out of 1,000 is a 99.7% success rate.

That is where we are today.  If you post the names and obits of the other 2 I will adjust it to 99.5% for you which is a step down and will benefit your cause.

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But ASR hasn't "graduated" 1000 kids.  It's more like 100 or less.  They have a 65% drop out rate.  And of the kids that are left, only a few graduate.  A handful at most.  Please post the names of 1000 graduates to support your cause.

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I wonder why Jon chose ASR.  There seem to have been many deaths of kids from the period when Mike was there.  There is a large cluster of deaths around that 2000/2001 enrollment class.  It appears that out of 30 or so enrolled that year, at least 5 are dead.  This represents a pretty high death rate, IMO.

I think as more peer groups come out this number will go up.