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Re: Punitive Psychiatry
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2009, 07:58:09 PM »
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STOP THE ABUSE
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Maybe, I should forward a link of that video to my psychiatrist.
No matter what they say about Zoloft it never did anything about the dishes.

"Prozac make me so much less of a Bitch" :dose:
It didn’t work out so well for Elizabeth Wurtzel.
First book- Prozac Nation
Second book-Bitch  :“In praise of difficult women”
Third book- More Now Again. (Triplicates?)

Very funny post, Inculcated. Another thing to consider, Wurtzel is no longer writing; she is now a lawyer. Could it be that her lifetime on psychiatric medication damaged her ability to create? Much evidence has been collated that proves the intellectual / mental degradation psych meds can cause.
…Could be. While I found her work engaging enough to have read each of the three mentioned titles, it could also be that she for now has reached the limits of her contributions to the late 90’s upsurge in readership of the confessional memoir genre. She does still publish articles and as a contributing editor.
 Other Essayists who were breakthrough at that time like Augusten Burroughs and the Davids Sedaris and Eggers continue with books.
Maybe, some wacky anecdotes about the practice of her legal specialty are in the making.

I’ve a few compendiums of various writers writing on the topic of writing through chemically altered states and anthologies of literature we attribute the creation of as having to do with chemically induced inspiration. We owe quite a lot to absinthe.
That said psych drugs are not known to be mind expanding per se, though I’ve floated away from myself on an escalator while on Celexa …

Back to topic, being forcibly medicated would be rather constricting to anyone’s creative processes...Especially, under political persecution. I’m pretty sure Federico García Lorca would not have seen much difference in his plight had he found himself wandering around on Thorazine, rather  than getting shot in the back of the head, both are pretty damn silencing measures.
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Re: Punitive Psychiatry
« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2009, 08:28:13 PM »
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I was being sarcastic.I guess that is hard to tell in a post.
Don’t get your knickers in a knot. You were quoting one of the stills from your video. Besides,I know and enjoy your sardonic humor about meds. in particular and I know that Prozac didn’t do anything to alleviate the symptoms of the fact that you’re a  bitch. An outcome I consider to be for the best. :P
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Re: Punitive Psychiatry
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2009, 04:11:16 AM »
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http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN_Ip6_31G8

Stop The Abuse :soapbox:


You made that?  That's awesome...thanks!
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Re: Punitive Psychiatry
« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2009, 02:33:50 AM »
I suffered serotonin syndrome after taking an SSRI. I had been on several anti's before with less than desirable side effects but nothing horrible. Then I took this last SSRI and I had a severe adverse reaction (when I say severe, I mean it almost killed me, I could feel my brain dying). I have mostly recovered after 3 years but not completely. I don't know if I will ever fully heal from it. No one knows, including the neurological professionals. I found this out "after" I was poisoned by the SSRI. Apparently psyche meds are largely (if not entirely) experimental. And they are ABSOLUTELY addictive. I have received so many withdrawal horror stories from people who had a bad reaction to brain drugs or are trying to get off of them.

Yet... some people respond well to them and can stop "cold turkey" without horrible effects. This doesn't take away from the fact that so many people are so negatively impacted by these drugs on such a large scale. In my opinion, these drugs simply aren't worth the risks.

Thanks for the article, yeah...it's sad that it's all about money. Just like programs: destroying people's lives for profit.

Keep going on your getting the word out about this stuff, there are a lot of people with you and unfortunately more people will continue to be harmed and arrive at the realization that these drugs are dangerous.
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Effects her badly…
« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2009, 03:05:38 PM »
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I suffered serotonin syndrome after taking an SSRI. I had been on several anti's before with less than desirable side effects but nothing horrible. Then I took this last SSRI and I had a severe adverse reaction (when I say severe, I mean it almost killed me, I could feel my brain dying). I have mostly recovered after 3 years but not completely. I don't know if I will ever fully heal from it. No one knows, including the neurological professionals. I found this out "after" I was poisoned by the SSRI. Apparently psyche meds are largely (if not entirely) experimental. And they are ABSOLUTELY addictive. I have received so many withdrawal horror stories from people who had a bad reaction to brain drugs or are trying to get off of them.

SSRI's are one of the hardest drugs to come off of, and it takes a long time to get your brain back.
So true!
Withdrawal from Effexor was terrible. A friend had sold me on Effexor when it first hit the market, by explaining to me that the chemical structural formula is somewhat similar to MDMA. I was down for that. Eventually my dosage was increased to an alarming 450mg. a day. On the days I would forget my pill, I would experience what I called “feeling thumpy.”  

 I would notice a weird twinge/twitch sensation in my wrists that felt more nerve related than muscle. Accompanied by this is what I would attempt to describe by saying, “It’s like being hit on the back of the head from inside your head, but without pain”. These attempts to report symptoms associated with Effexor sound strange, but they were my most accurate descriptions of the sensory disturbances resulting from missing a dose. By the time my dose was up to three of the 150’s a day, missing a dose included fainting. The first of these spells resulted in a trip to the E.R.

Of course, my doctors weren’t exactly receptive to me describing what I meant by “feeling thumpy”. It sounded crazy enough to sound to them like symptoms of an issue unrelated to meds…and to them probably caused consideration of more pharmaceutical intervention. After deciding this drug was not a good fit for me and I wanted nothing more of it, it took months of dosage reduction in order to mitigate the withdrawal symptoms and finally be rid of it.

A couple of years later another friend of mine was attending a seminar at Stanford, where Emmanuel Mignot, MD, PhD mentioned Effexor in the treatment of Narcolepsy and then made passing reference to side effects similar to my experience calling them “Zaps”. This reminded my friend of my rather passionately expressed disgust for the drug side effects. So later, he made a point of telling me about it having come up in the discussion.

I felt validated and ticked off.

For more on effects of Effexor and “feeling thumpy.”
Also:SSRI discontinuation syndrome
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« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2009, 07:34:36 PM »
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I suffered serotonin syndrome after taking an SSRI. I had been on several anti's before with less than desirable side effects but nothing horrible. Then I took this last SSRI and I had a severe adverse reaction (when I say severe, I mean it almost killed me, I could feel my brain dying). I have mostly recovered after 3 years but not completely. I don't know if I will ever fully heal from it. No one knows, including the neurological professionals. I found this out "after" I was poisoned by the SSRI. Apparently psyche meds are largely (if not entirely) experimental. And they are ABSOLUTELY addictive. I have received so many withdrawal horror stories from people who had a bad reaction to brain drugs or are trying to get off of them.

SSRI's are one of the hardest drugs to come off of, and it takes a long time to get your brain back.
So true!
Withdrawal from Effexor was terrible. A friend had sold me on Effexor when it first hit the market, by explaining to me that the chemical structural formula is somewhat similar to MDMA. I was down for that. Eventually my dosage was increased to an alarming 450mg. a day. On the days I would forget my pill, I would experience what I called “feeling thumpy.”  

 I would notice a weird twinge/twitch sensation in my wrists that felt more nerve related than muscle. Accompanied by this is what I would attempt to describe by saying, “It’s like being hit on the back of the head from inside your head, but without pain”. These attempts to report symptoms associated with Effexor sound strange, but they were my most accurate descriptions of the sensory disturbances resulting from missing a dose. By the time my dose was up to three of the 150’s a day, missing a dose included fainting. The first of these spells resulted in a trip to the E.R.

Of course, my doctors weren’t exactly receptive to me describing what I meant by “feeling thumpy”. It sounded crazy enough to sound to them like symptoms of an issue unrelated to meds…and to them probably caused consideration of more pharmaceutical intervention. After deciding this drug was not a good fit for me and I wanted nothing more of it, it took months of dosage reduction in order to mitigate the withdrawal symptoms and finally be rid of it.

A couple of years later another friend of mine was attending a seminar at Stanford, where Emmanuel Mignot, MD, PhD mentioned Effexor in the treatment of Narcolepsy and then made passing reference to side effects similar to my experience calling them “Zaps”. This reminded my friend of my rather passionately expressed disgust for the drug side effects. So later, he made a point of telling me about it having come up in the discussion.

I felt validated and ticked off.

For more on effects of Effexor and “feeling thumpy.”
Also:SSRI discontinuation syndrome



These are the reasons for my self-administration of marijuana.
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reevaluation
« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2009, 02:21:24 PM »
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Consumer Reports reasons that Bristol-Myers Squibb is promoting Abilify for depression because only a limited number of people have schizophrenia or bipolar disorder. Depression, on the other hand, is a veritable cash cow among mental-health conditions. One in seven people will experience a depressive episode at some point in their lives. If you want to sell upwards of $2 billion a year of a drug, that's the kind of market you need.
Gotta wonder just how many of those diagnosed with depression and prescribed Abilify ... will then be reevaluated for possible "schizophrenic or bipolar tendencies" based on a perceived "improvement" while under the effects of Abilify.
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Re: reevaluation
« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2009, 09:10:12 PM »
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Consumer Reports reasons that Bristol-Myers Squibb is promoting Abilify for depression because only a limited number of people have schizophrenia or bipolar disorder. Depression, on the other hand, is a veritable cash cow among mental-health conditions. One in seven people will experience a depressive episode at some point in their lives. If you want to sell upwards of $2 billion a year of a drug, that's the kind of market you need.
Gotta wonder just how many of those diagnosed with depression and prescribed Abilify ... will then be reevaluated for possible "schizophrenic or bipolar tendencies" based on a perceived "improvement" while under the effects of Abilify.

That is a great point!  After having the SSRI reaction, I went to another doctor and was immediately (clinically) diagnosed with bipolar disorder. He said, " Sounds like somebody is bipolar". This was based on my symptoms from the SSRI! Then the good doc tried to make me take seroquel for this "so-called" bipolar and when I refused, he kept trying to get me to admit to wanting to harm myself or others. I found out later that if you admit that, they can lock you up in the psyche ward. Quack alert.

And I also had the feeling of being pushed from the back of the head but kind of from inside the head. I know exactly what that is. Most people call them brain-zaps but it feels more like someone shoves your head from behind really hard and it is difficult to regain balance. It is a scary feeling and I never had it before the SSRI. It's difficult to describe but it is common in people taking SSRI's. Mine comes and goes and still scares me even though I know it will end.

So, yes, if you are poisoned by a med, it will eventually be blamed on you and an "underlying disorder" that you have, not the poisonous drug that damaged your central nervous system. This must be what doctors are sold at their pharma conventions. "It's candy, this med couldn't possibly do ...blah blah blah...etc.It must be something else", they say.

There is a reason only 2 countries in the world allow advertizing of pharmaceuticals (the US, of course being one of them). When profit and healthcare are married, people will suffer because of the greed of human nature.

Has anyone heard what meds the psychiatrist at The base in Texas was taking when he shot up the place? I heard they found a box full of prescription meds at his apartment but nothing else about it. Funny how the media almost always sweeps psyche-meds under the carpet when people start shooting people.
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Re: Punitive Psychiatry
« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2009, 11:29:14 PM »
I took crack for depression and it worked well.  My doctor thought I was addicted to it.  She suggested I quit crack cold turkey.  I went back to acting like a troubled teenager who did not respect authority figures.
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Re: Punitive Psychiatry
« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2009, 01:35:57 PM »
FUCK
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Re: THE WORLD OF SOVIET PSYCHIATRY
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2009, 05:04:42 PM »
Great article, Ursus! Very thought provoking!

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Here's another oldie but goodie. It contains an interview, of sorts, with not only Dr. Andrei Snezhnevsky, but also his chief deputy, Dr. Marat Vartanyan, conducted at Kashchenko Psychiatric Hospital, which houses the Institute of Psychiatry of the Soviet Academy of Medical Sciences. Also in attendance were Dr. Ruben Nadzharov, Snezhnevsky's clinical deputy, and Dr. Andrei Pyatnitsky, who was in charge of the institute's international activities.

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The New York Times
January 30, 1983

THE WORLD OF SOVIET PSYCHIATRY

By WALTER REICH
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My ideas, it seemed, were at once welcome and disturbing. Unlike most other Program critics, I was not saying that all diagnoses of behavioral issues in teens were made by edcons, intake coordinators and parents who knew that the teens were well. Some of these people did know that teens they had diagnosed as disordered were healthy - but, I believed, not all of them knew that; perhaps not even most. Nor was I saying that the troubled parent industry had deliberately created the tools that had made those misdiagnoses possible.
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