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« Reply #30 on: August 21, 2003, 02:19:00 PM »
There are two things that come to mind:  1- he was court ordered and they didn't pay "the program" but court fees?

Second - for sensationalism to sell the movie, cuz it didn't happen, wouldn't happen, can't happen.
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« Reply #31 on: August 21, 2003, 05:29:00 PM »
I definitly did not get the impression Ryan F. was court ordered into any treatment program.  In fact, I believe the press reports said his parents heard about the program from friends at church and decided to enroll him in the program.
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« Reply #32 on: August 21, 2003, 08:43:00 PM »
So, what's the reason for the bribe?  If it really took place then both parties are guilty of wrong doing.
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« Reply #33 on: August 21, 2003, 09:40:00 PM »
Yes, Ryan's parents were recruited by a member of their church (see link below) but reportedly didn't come to believe they had made a mistake until a couple of former residents contacted them and urged them to take Ryan out.  As for the "ransom" payment of $60,000.00, it's hard to believe any parent would consent to such a thing, must less have the cash-on-hand.  Guess we will just have to wait for the movie, but even then, since the movie is a fictional account based on a true story, there is no way to separate fact from fiction without additional documentation and verification.  As for the media, one can only guess if Weiner triple-checked the credibility of his sources.
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http://www.coldwaterthemovie.com/ryan/index.html
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« Reply #34 on: August 21, 2003, 09:47:00 PM »
It seems to all be a farce...Ryan's story, that is.  Fiction...based on fact, how does that make any sense?  Kinda seems like an oxymoron to me.
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« Reply #35 on: August 21, 2003, 09:56:00 PM »
I doubt if a Bribe is the correct scenerio. I would guess Ryan's parents paid for his 12 month tuition ,escort fee etc. His parents may have believed the wwasp fallacy of needing to give 120 day notice, an additional($3,000x4 months). The dollars add up fast.  

Ryan is a kid .Give him a break.If he makes the big screen, big time,good for him. He has earned it.

My child is not aware of the massive dollars we spent on his "schooling" with wwasp either. Not his problem.
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« Reply #36 on: August 21, 2003, 10:13:00 PM »
[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 17:05 ]
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« Reply #37 on: August 21, 2003, 10:25:00 PM »
Karen Z., you have said you removed your child from one of these programs.  How long was your son in the program before you pulled him, why did you take him out and how much (if anything) did the program charge you to take your son out?
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« Reply #38 on: August 21, 2003, 10:31:00 PM »
Wait a minute, isn't it on Ryan's website.  Isn't Ryan the one calling it a bribe?  Shouldn't Ryan know whether or not it was a "bribe".  Oh, I get it, that is part of the fiction that he is attesting to.  ???????????  We are all just going to have to try and figure out when he is telling the truth and when he is not.
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« Reply #39 on: August 21, 2003, 10:35:00 PM »
There are many ways that a program will attempt to keep pre-paid tuition. They offer parents a discount for pre-paying, and it might be inticing, but parents should avoid it.

I took my ex to court demanding he bring our son home for Xmas, he'd been incarcerated since early Nov. I felt if I could get him back to our home state my chances of getting an injunction would be better.
The program (not WWASP) rep testified via telephone that my ex would loose $110K in pp tuition if our son left the program.

Their policy states that all pp tuition will be refunded whether the child is withdrawn or dismissed, minus that months tuition.

Well, I later spoke to several parents who were hiring attorneys to recover their pp tuition.

One mom told me that she had challenged them on their decision to send her son to their newly opened wilderness camp. She was labled adversarial and told her son would have to leave because she wasn't supporting the program.

A rendezvous was arranged at WalMart. He left with the clothes on his back.

They refused to refund her money, stating that he had been withdrawn.

Never pay in advance. They certainly aren't going to offer to refund if the parent doesn't know their rights.
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« Reply #40 on: August 21, 2003, 10:47:00 PM »
When was Ryan taken out of the program? 2 years ago?  WHEN and HOW did the NY Times hear about Ryan?
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« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2003, 10:50:00 PM »
Look, if it is Ryan calling it a bribe, then who and why should anyone else keep trying to explain it as something other than that.  

If Ryan calls it a bribe, as he has on his website,  then turns around and says it really was not a bribe, but tuition paid in full for the one year contract that his parents signed, then he is changing his own words to fit that of someone elses.  He can't keep changing his words and his actions, he will lose whatever little bit of creditability he may have left.  (Ex. He had his story posted on the PURE website, but then took it down upon request.  He took it down because of the fact that his association with PURE could be seen as a conflict of interest.)  Now if he changes his statement that the "bribe" was anything other than a "bribe", especially now with all of the contraversy surrounding his story, well then...what is his word worth?
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« Reply #42 on: August 22, 2003, 12:16:00 AM »
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On 2003-08-21 19:25:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Karen Z., you have said you removed your child from one of these programs.  How long was your son in the program before you pulled him, why did you take him out and how much (if anything) did the program charge you to take your son out?"


You said you got the referral off Woodbury's website.  Can you be more specific????
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« Reply #43 on: August 22, 2003, 12:45:00 AM »
Has it occured to you that WHATEVER happened there was perceived as a "bribe" to him. May not fit the technical definition or your personal defintion, but obviously that's how he experienced it.

Why don't you go over to Voy, where he has posted, and ask him. Maybe he'll provide an explanation, or email him at his website. Since he's a plantiff he might not be able to share, but it's worth a try.

God forbid we have to endure the ongoing imaginings about the Ryan "bribe" until the lawsuit is over. What a curse that would be.
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« Reply #44 on: August 22, 2003, 01:46:00 AM »
Ryan stated he was at Casa by the Sea.  The tuition was around $2,000/month - $24,000/year.  No bribe - a parent could bring the munchkin home anytime they wanted. Time to put it to rest, he's sensationalizing for the movie ::argue:: - posting on other forums, talking to newspapers, and anyone who will pay him or build up interest in his abuse allegations.  Must be tough living life as a victim.
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