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« Reply #45 on: August 22, 2003, 01:56:00 AM »
Deb - God forbid we are subjected to your expertise in surfing the web for quotes, links and your "in the box" insights to life.

I think you're a liar.  You said you had kids in a "program."  Bullshit! Where?  I think your just another of PURE's alter egos making up stories.
 
Get off your ass and actually do something besides sit at this site 24/7. Got kids??  Bet they feel like little orphans next to your computer.
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« Reply #46 on: August 22, 2003, 03:25:00 AM »
Deborah's not a liar, nor a PURE alter ego.  She has posted the account of what happened to her son on this forum and elsewhere enough times to where if you tried, you would have no trouble finding them.  Second, you may not appreciate the topics that interest Deborah nor agree with her strong opinions and/or values and beliefs but that's your choice.  Personally, I am open-minded and view her posts as opportunities to learn (or unlearn, as the case may be) and hope that others feel the same way. Lastly, this is a forum where it is rare to find anyone with an opinion that isn't subject to the same "in the box" insights to life you accuse Deborah of posting.  In fact, you are reading one now.

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« Reply #47 on: August 22, 2003, 04:06:00 AM »
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On 2003-08-21 21:16:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2003-08-21 19:25:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Karen Z., you have said you removed your child from one of these programs.  How long was your son in the program before you pulled him, why did you take him out and how much (if anything) did the program charge you to take your son out?"




You said you got the referral off Woodbury's website.  Can you be more specific????"


Yes, it would be nice to know the answers to these questions in addition to any other information you can share about your experience.

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« Reply #48 on: August 22, 2003, 10:45:00 AM »
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« Reply #49 on: August 22, 2003, 11:01:00 AM »
See #8 Re: Karen Burnett (aka Karen Z.)

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... 03consacti
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« Reply #50 on: August 22, 2003, 12:40:00 PM »
Anon,

"My experience of you": You're  rude and disrespectful.

You sound like a Task Seminar Sherpa. Back off. Your feedback is not welcome.

I enjoy Deb's post.Thank you Deborah for sharing your "in the box" posts.

I learn from them.
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« Reply #51 on: August 22, 2003, 12:43:00 PM »
carey,

Get over yourself!  Tell the truth.

Ryan took his story off Pure because YOU harrassed him to.

 Credibility? Practice what you preach.
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« Reply #52 on: August 22, 2003, 01:11:00 PM »
Carey,  

I dont understand your ENVY with Ryan's success.

I dont see any one critizing you for your claim to fame in People's Magazine.

Share the spot light. There is plenty of roon for everyone.

The story  needs to be told.
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« Reply #53 on: August 22, 2003, 01:22:00 PM »
Sorry to upset you ANON, however, Ryan is a problem, especially given he is a lead plantiff in the "class action".  You know it and I know it.  That is why it seems to upset you so badly.

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Ryan took his story off Pure because YOU harrassed him to.


Are you saying that Ryan shifts his ties and , connections because people pressure him to do so?

Well if that is the case, then he can be pressured into making false statements too, don't you think?  Who knows maybe he has already done so.  It is possible given what you are saying.

First of all, I did not harrass him to do so.  I simply told him Sue was very much one to be avoided, given her profession and all.  Why do you people keep making things up?  Why do you think "programmed parents" don't believe you.  Well, that is why.  You make constant accusations that are so far from the truth.  Learn to be more careful about what you say and what you accuse people of, then maybe someone will believe you.




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« Reply #54 on: August 22, 2003, 01:32:00 PM »
Educate me Carey.
What is the definition of a "lead plantiff" in a class-action?
And who, besides you, has identified him as such?
Deborah

PS  I just went to his website. It reads:
"$60,000 RANSOM payment".
Who first refered to it as a "bribe"? Has his site been edited?
"Ransom" puts a whole different spin on it.
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« Reply #55 on: August 22, 2003, 02:04:00 PM »
From a conversation with Richard Wilf, Huron Law Group:

A class action suit is brought by all plaintiffs equally, no matter the number involved or even the identification of those plaintiffs before the action is filed.  Ever see those newspaper ads or TV ads suggesting that you, John Q. Public, may be a bona fide plaintiff after the fact if you have such-and-such a set of circumstances?  This suit welcomes any person who feels he has a legitimate claim, the legitimacy to be determined by The Court.

There is no "lead" plaintiff.  The attorneys for the plaintiffs present their evidence, gathering whatever they feel pertinent, identifying the source as required by law for cross-examination.  

Huron is a big-deal law firm, spending tons of their own money so far.  Give them some credit!  They, or The Court, are not going to let some kid rant and rave and "spoil" their case.  Nor are they going to let some two-bit ed consultant-type company influence their decision.  I'd be much more inclined to go with Huron's advice than I would from a bank employee whose claim to fame was a picture in People magazine.
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« Reply #56 on: August 22, 2003, 02:07:00 PM »
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"Deb - God forbid we are subjected to your expertise in surfing the web for quotes, links and your "in the box" insights to life.



I think you're a liar.  You said you had kids in a "program."  Bullshit! Where?  I think your just another of PURE's alter egos making up stories.

 

Get off your ass and actually do something besides sit at this site 24/7. Got kids??  Bet they feel like little orphans next to your computer.  "


Someone sure hit the nail on the head!  LOL!
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« Reply #57 on: August 22, 2003, 02:59:00 PM »
Deborah, Ryan's website has been altered.  He goes where the wind blows.  Not surprisingly though. He learned from the best, PURE and Sue Scheff.

Spots, I understand exactly where you are coming from, you are feeling desperate.  I have empathy for you.  I was just as frightened for my boys as you are for your grandaughter.



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« Reply #58 on: August 22, 2003, 03:15:00 PM »
Deborah, one more thing, changing it to ransom, is even more interesting.  Ransom, defined as - the release of a detained person or property in return for payment.  Detained, defined as - to hold in custody.  Well, was Casa awarded custody of Ryan?  Don't think so.    Could not the parents have withdrawn him at any time?  

Was Ryan kidnapped?  Why did the parents need to pay a randsom?  If the child was handcuffed and taken to Casa, via kidnapping, who paid for that?  Are the parents guilty of kidnapping their own child and then turning around and paying a randsom to have him released?  Come on...lets get real about all of this BS.
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« Reply #59 on: August 22, 2003, 03:31:00 PM »
There's a lot of speculating going on. Since no one here has direct knowledge of the details, the comments are just imaginings.

Why doesn't someone f-in ask him? What is so hard about that?  Or would it draw an end to the endless debate, which many seemingly enjoy and the rest of us are tired of. The slams on Ryan and/or the "bribe" finds its way into totally unrelated threads.

And so he provides an answer. Would you believe it or if he didn't respond to your liking, he'd then be lying. What then, do we have to hear the imaginings until the record is completely worn out?

Whatever the word they/he decided to use, it would not surprise me if the program pulled some shit around money.

As for the TRUTH, no one here knows the truth, only Ryan and his folks. No one here is going to "prove" anything, just debate and debate and debate.
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