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TheCALO Treatment profiles..
« on: June 21, 2009, 08:41:37 PM »
I don't like to beg... It isn't something I'm good at doing. I really don't much have anything to say about the list of names. That's something that can avoided in the following creative format:

employer: hey is this you the guy listed on fornits who went to Calo?
ex-resident of torture farm: Nope, some other guy with the same name. Hmm.. lemme read that... daaaaaaaamnn.. sucks to be him.. that place looks harsh.


The treatment profiles are another deal. They are a lie, but a dangerously compelling lie. You, Well Proxied, I'm sure know these Internets far more than I ever will. You know how something like that has potential to do those three kids some serious harm after they come home.

How can they defend themselves against that sort of thing with their pictures and full names and every trumped up worthless diagnosis under the sun? How can they fight the lies of CALO with a quick simple lie of their own?

I mean it's pretty easy for them as most of them graduate from their home district high schools. I think..
Even if they don't.. they don't go home with a CALO high school diploma. It is some quicky BYU Extension program that I understand most of the kids cheat on in some way. (Sorry won't say... you CALO folks will have to do your own work.)

The end result here is those documents they can't defend themselves against. Well proxied, you have to be a regular member of this forum. I can't imagine you not being a well read member with some of your insights.

YOU know that most adults will take one look at something like those documents and form exactly the wrong impression.

You know the FBI told CALO to hump the local licensing gang.

You know the DA told CALO to go hump the FBI.

And so on..

Whatever possible motivation you have for getting those documents recognized isn't going to happen.
THE FBI didn't even care when KEN called them.

So that venue is out of the question, if indeed that was your plan. It seems the most likely to me that is what you might have been aiming for given the GAO investigation. Thayer, and the recent ex-president setting up that back-channel from ISAC to the feebs.

Look, I have no real idea what you are out to do. You've apparently caused more havoc than any single fornits poster put together inside a facility in the last three years put together.

What I'm asking and even begging you to do is please take down those treatment profiles. PLease... The more I look at them the more I feel completely overwhelmed by them. Overwhelmed that the three kids are literally going to be branded with a Scarlett Letter. Branded with that letter when they didn't even do anything to deserve it.

I sense that deep down you really do want to help them. I just can honestly sit on the fence and waffle around anymore. If you want to help those kids in CALO please, for the love of god don't do it by posting garbage like that about them.



This next message is to Ken Huey.

I posted a thread spoofing your family. I had two goals here and from the discussion I had with Psy in private it seems I accomplished one of them with his warning you to remove anything of your family.

The other goal was to annoy people here on fornits. I do that from time to time, and I quite enjoy it.

I don't like you, and I don't like what you do. But I don't believe your children should ever be drug into the middle of this. Psy tells me you really do believe you are helping those kids.

I can believe that. I was you once upon a time, minus the hot looking wife, and minus your much bigger salary.

If you really believe you are helping those kids please.. please.. please... please... please... please... stop using PCS on the children. If you can manage this one thing you'd be about 1/10th of the way redeemed as a human being.  

Further, I'd like you to Email me so we can talk back and forth. I think we could have a good conversation about restraints and maybe you can see some of my outrage as a former staffer of another program and a brother to a survivor of an abusive program.

These conversations will be absolutely private.

I give Psy permission, as of right now, to delete them on sight should they ever be posted  up on fornits..





Back to Well Proxied...

Please.. I'm begging you.. Please take down the treatment profiles. It isn't about informed consent to me, it isn't about abuse, it is about a kid being labeled by a pack of lies for the rest of their life and not being able to defend themselves.
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Re: TheCALO Treatment profiles..
« Reply #1 on: June 21, 2009, 08:51:40 PM »
@ Well Proxied:

It's not just that. One of the kids says "sexual" issues.  We all know on fornits that probably means "gay", but to the rest of the public browsing casually or stumbling on his name through google, it means "pedobear".  That sort of thing can ruin a person's life or drive them to suicide (even just being outed as gay).  Not only is his full name there, but his picture and everything else.  The images could have been blurred and the names redacted but they weren't.  That demonstrates to me that you, well proxied, really don't care about the kids and are either doing this for the lulz or to try to drag fornits into some kind of fight and make fornits as a whole look bad. It's not going to work.  Ken knows the situation we're in and he's not taking your bait.  At this point, all you're hurting are those kids, and regardless of your motivation, the kids don't deserve that.

I feel for the kids being labeled with this crap, I really do, as I was labeled with lots of embarrassing stuff in program.  Regardless of how open I am, and i'm probably one of the most open on this forum, I would never want half that shit out there.  I know it's not true, but I don't want to have to explain that to an employer, clients, friends, a girl/boyfriend etc etc etc...  I chose to fight.  I choose what information from the program gets out there.  You took that choice out of those kids hands, and for what?  It's not hurting CALO.  The only reason why the owner is begging, if you find that funny, is because he still has some shred of humanity in him and despite his twisted ways of dealing with kids, actually does care for their wellbeing.  You aren't showing that, and frankly, out of the two sides in this, i'd go so far as to say the program is coming out looking "cleaner" to the public in the way this is handled.  You're doing more damage to "our side" than anybody else.  Don't fool yourself.

Hell.  If' you're too lazy, I'll redact and blur the PDFs myself if you'll remove the originals.
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Re: TheCALO Treatment profiles..
« Reply #2 on: June 21, 2009, 08:58:46 PM »
Not saying you are, but both of you give the distinct impression of being ethically rudderless "attention whores" and "drama queens." Can the heart-felt pleas to the internet, they're pointless and fake--if you REALLY wanted to remove the profiles, you could.
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Re: TheCALO Treatment profiles..
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2009, 09:06:26 PM »
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if you REALLY wanted to remove the profiles, you could.
And they would get reposed in 10 times the volume.  The only way to get rid of it and stay rid of it is to change the mind of well proxied and those who would follow him.
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Re: TheCALO Treatment profiles..
« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2009, 09:10:59 PM »
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Quote from: "Guest"
if you REALLY wanted to remove the profiles, you could.
And they would get reposed in 10 times the volume.  The only way to get rid of it and stay rid of it is to change the mind of well proxied and those who would follow him.

They have a way to change his mind, it's called a "program".  Well proxied wants no part of it, obviously.
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Re: TheCALO Treatment profiles..
« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2009, 09:19:39 PM »
At least Well Proxied can post an email account for the kids who want to get off his list.
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Re: TheCALO Treatment profiles..
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2009, 09:19:52 PM »
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Quote from: "psy"
Quote from: "Guest"
if you REALLY wanted to remove the profiles, you could.
And they would get reposed in 10 times the volume.  The only way to get rid of it and stay rid of it is to change the mind of well proxied and those who would follow him.

They have a way to change his mind, it's called a "program".  Well proxied wants no part of it, obviously.
A program changes your mind, thinking, code of ethics, and very identity without your knowledge or consent in a deceptive process called "thought reform".  This is simple persuasion.
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Re: TheCALO Treatment profiles..
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2009, 09:20:23 PM »
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At least Well Proxied can post an email account for the kids who want to get off his list.
I don't think he ever intended on following through on that, given there is no way to contact him.
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Re: TheCALO Treatment profiles..
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2009, 09:23:16 PM »
Then he should post an email because I sure am sure as hell not his go between.
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Re: TheCALO Treatment profiles..
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2009, 09:27:32 PM »
WP, I really wish you would take the kids' pics and surnames down. Ficticious treatment progress reports, as they are minus the connection to the real live people, would be great!

That's my 2 bits
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« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2009, 10:12:09 PM »
Quote from: "Che Gookin"
Then he should post an email because I sure am sure as hell not his go between.

Of course you're not

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« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2009, 10:24:59 PM »
WP, don't bother with these idiots.

Let me describe my new video game I've been playing instead. It's called "Red Faction: Nobody Does Shit Edition". It's coop multiplayer, but one of its flaws is some truly decrepit enemy AI. (It is argued that it's intentional, as exploiting it is a strong gameplay element.)

The goal of the game is to rescue captives from Chambers before the Chambers are finished with them. It's fairly standard RPG fare: captives in, roboticized victims out. (Some of the most powerful players play as ex-victims, though.) Captives have Units who cooperate with Chamber operatives to keep them held prisoner; breaking a Chamber's hold on the Units in question rescues the captive and awards the player points. Of course, the very most common way of getting points is to prevent would-be captives from being sent to a Chamber in the first place, usually by acting on their Units the moment the Chamber operatives begin their foul work.

There is also a sort of over-watch group, The Authorities. They can also shut Chambers down but rarely do so; bringing in The Authorities is almost impossible but rescues all the captives and nets the player a special trophy, lots of points, and immense props from the other players. The Authorities are also the same group that responds in force whenever you attempt to do something like drive into one of these Chambers with a bus and kill all the guards. Keeps things balanced; after all, it'd be way too easy if players could just go do things like that. But The Authorities don't really care about most of the stuff that happens, and their attention- or lack thereof- is one of the key gameplay elements.

It has the common video game caveat of "Safe base"; that is, the enemy can't attack you at home no matter how much their AIs want to. (You can see them across the line sometimes, shouting things and seething.) It also has some standard Shadowrun-style thematic elements- meatspace vs. dataspace (much easier to get things done in dataspace, maybe they'll patch that), various corporations involved, government corruption, etc.

There are lots of players, some casual and some serious, but one of them is an apparently very experienced, top-ranked player we call Many Masks Dude. The guy goes into dataspace and comes back out with a full prisoner roster and three detailed dossiers, from what he says was an open data-access point. He posts them to the public bulletin board, in hopes that the information can be sent to The Authorities and used by other members to contact The Units. (One, just one, of those Units' information was posted to the same bulletin board afterwards.)

Guess what, the rebel leadership has shitty AI too! So they respond with preset comments like "What, are you crazy, that information could follow them for the rest of their lives!" and "Please take that down!" They don't actually do that themselves, of course, they just stare at it and make the same repetitive comments to the point where they don't do anything else. Seriously, they kept doing this for weeks, and they were still doing it when I turned the game off.

I ended up taking it back to the store; it was too damn unrealistic. How the fuck did this make it out of beta?
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Re: TheCALO Treatment profiles..
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2009, 10:34:38 PM »
To Previous: Well, that clears up any doubt. It’s not some madness to be pitied.
Something is very wrong with you and something vital is missing from your soul.

At least you underscore an opportunity to allow Well Proxied to consider just such repugnant creatures as yourself and hopefully reconsider.

(Edited for clarification) :rose:
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« Reply #13 on: June 21, 2009, 10:44:39 PM »
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WP, don't bother with these idiots.

Let me describe my new video game I've been playing instead. It's called "Red Faction: Nobody Does Shit Edition". It's coop multiplayer, but one of its flaws is some truly decrepit enemy AI. (It is argued that it's intentional, as exploiting it is a strong gameplay element.)

The goal of the game is to rescue captives from Chambers before the Chambers are finished with them. It's fairly standard RPG fare: captives in, roboticized victims out. (Some of the most powerful players play as ex-victims, though.) Captives have Units who cooperate with Chamber operatives to keep them held prisoner; breaking a Chamber's hold on the Units in question rescues the captive and awards the player points. Of course, the very most common way of getting points is to prevent would-be captives from being sent to a Chamber in the first place, usually by acting on their Units the moment the Chamber operatives begin their foul work.

There is also a sort of over-watch group, The Authorities. They can also shut Chambers down but rarely do so; bringing in The Authorities is almost impossible but rescues all the captives and nets the player a special trophy, lots of points, and immense props from the other players. The Authorities are also the same group that responds in force whenever you attempt to do something like drive into one of these Chambers with a bus and kill all the guards. Keeps things balanced; after all, it'd be way too easy if players could just go do things like that. But The Authorities don't really care about most of the stuff that happens, and their attention- or lack thereof- is one of the key gameplay elements.

It has the common video game caveat of "Safe base"; that is, the enemy can't attack you at home no matter how much their AIs want to. (You can see them across the line sometimes, shouting things and seething.) It also has some standard Shadowrun-style thematic elements- meatspace vs. dataspace (much easier to get things done in dataspace, maybe they'll patch that), various corporations involved, government corruption, etc.

There are lots of players, some casual and some serious, but one of them is an apparently very experienced, top-ranked player we call Many Masks Dude. The guy goes into dataspace and comes back out with a full prisoner roster and three detailed dossiers, from what he says was an open data-access point. He posts them to the public bulletin board, in hopes that the information can be sent to The Authorities and used by other members to contact The Units. (One, just one, of those Units' information was posted to the same bulletin board afterwards.)

Guess what, the rebel leadership has shitty AI too! So they respond with preset comments like "What, are you crazy, that information could follow them for the rest of their lives!" and "Please take that down!" They don't actually do that themselves, of course, they just stare at it and make the same repetitive comments to the point where they don't do anything else. Seriously, they kept doing this for weeks, and they were still doing it when I turned the game off.

I ended up taking it back to the store; it was too damn unrealistic. How the fuck did this make it out of beta?

I concur.
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Re: TheCALO Treatment profiles..
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2009, 10:47:06 PM »
I'm still not convinced some kids who will never know some strangers saw that they were trapped in a place they hate and want to escape is going to hurt them.

Even if it were, the fact that they might get out of the duckfarm would kind of outweigh the embarrassment. "So yeah, hrm, I have a shot to get out if I understand I might be embarrassed by being anonymously outed as being trapped in a torture camp. Thats one fucking TOUGH decision".
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