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10 residential treatment centers
« on: April 21, 2009, 01:58:58 AM »
i'm going to end up at one of the following residential treatment centers. is there any known problems with any of them that i can bring to my mom with solid evidence? i don't wanna end up somewhere unsafe...

1.Lake Grove
2. St. Anne's
3. The Charlton School
4. Vanderhayden Hall
5. West Park
6. Greenburgh North Castle
7. Greenburgh Graham
8. Harmony Heights
9. Hawthorne Cedar Knolls
10. Summit School
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Re: 10 residential treatment centers
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2009, 03:10:04 AM »
Quote from: "Anya"
1.Lake Grove
2. St. Anne's
3. The Charlton School
4. Vanderhayden Hall
5. West Park
6. Greenburgh North Castle
7. Greenburgh Graham
8. Harmony Heights
9. Hawthorne Cedar Knolls
10. Summit School

If it is the same Summit School, kids are dying there: http://http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=905&start=0

In the past Lake Grove had a connection to Desisto:
http://http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4096&start=75

A program you should watch carefully is Harmony Heights. They work with Madonna Heights. Sometime students are moved from one program to the other with warning. Madonna is a prison. Be careful ending up in this system: http://http://fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=26132

In general
Try to avoid places, which are a long way from home, use level systems and restrict communication. Out of State can also be a problem. If you move South because then they can use corporal punishment. Some adults like to spank teenage girls. It benefits them with therapy rather than the student.

Some of them don't have homepages or at least I have not been able to locate them. Some of them don't have student handbooks on their webpages, so we are unable to see how strict they are. Some of them seems to accept students only if the school district back home pays.

How is your situation? Is it your parents who wants to lock you up or is it done be recommendation by the school district?
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Re: 10 residential treatment centers
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2009, 08:14:10 AM »
With a list of residential programs like that you must be a Long Island girl.

Anyway, here's the 411:

Lake Grove - last I checked it was a dump
Vanderheyden Hall - Lots of kids in the foster care system, upstate location, unprofessional staff
Greenburg - NC, Greenburgh Grahmn, HCK - all Westchester based programs that take a lot of kids from the foster care system
Summit School - eh, I've got serious mixed feelings about this one.
Harmony Heights - what the previous poster referred to is actually an inaccuracy.  You're in no danger of ending up in Madonna Heights, especially if that's not already on your parent's list of schools.  Harmony Heights is what it is, safey is a matter of relativity.
I don't know anything about the other three schools.

Questions:

Do you have or have you ever had case management or waiver services?
What is the reason for your placement?

And a resource for any further questions that you might have:

Youth POWER!
Phone: 518-432-0333 Toll Free: 1-888-326-8644
Stephanie Orlando, Director [email protected] x34
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Re: 10 residential treatment centers
« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2009, 08:22:22 AM »
Quote from: "Anya"
i'm going to end up at one of the following residential treatment centers. is there any known problems with any of them that i can bring to my mom with solid evidence? i don't wanna end up somewhere unsafe...

1.Lake Grove
2. St. Anne's
3. The Charlton School
4. Vanderhayden Hall
5. West Park
6. Greenburgh North Castle
7. Greenburgh Graham
8. Harmony Heights
9. Hawthorne Cedar Knolls
10. Summit School

Retain an attorney.  NOW.
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Re: 10 residential treatment centers
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2009, 06:30:33 PM »
Agreed with Psy. Get a fucking lawyer. And get your mother on Fornits.

BTW, what the fuck makes you post TEN different places? What, are your parents fucking shopping around for this shit?

Hey, Anya's mom! You're playing five-bullet Russian Roulette with your kid and trying to blindly guess at the right chamber! How does that make you feel?
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Re: 10 residential treatment centers
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2009, 06:36:56 PM »
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Agreed with Psy. Get a fucking lawyer. And get your mother on Fornits.

BTW, what the fuck makes you post TEN different places? What, are your parents fucking shopping around for this shit?

Hey, Anya's mom! You're playing five-bullet Russian Roulette with your kid and trying to blindly guess at the right chamber! How does that make you feel?

Hey, I just copied the list from an email my mom got from the case worker. They sent my information to those places and I could end up at any one of them I guess.
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Re: 10 residential treatment centers
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2009, 06:51:21 PM »
"Case worker"? Since when the hell did case workers of ANY sort start sending personal information to hellholes?!

Okay, Anya- tell this one to us from the top, aight? Details. Who, what, when, why. And how old you are. But nothing personally identifiable, not in public. It's safe with Psy, Femanon, and Ginger.

And it sounds like you REALLY need a lawyer, and a certain caseworker needs to get fired.
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Re: 10 residential treatment centers
« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2009, 06:59:27 PM »
Yes.  Even if you get sent to a program, you *need* to stay in constant uncensored contact with the outiside world, ESPECIALLY, if the program wants to cut it off... even for a short while.  This is probably the most vital thing I can say.  If you leave with nothing else, remember to have an attorney contact you on a regular (preferably daily) basis in complete confidence (no staff listening).  YOU must retain the attorney to have atty-client privilege.  If you haven't done this yet, you should get around to it.  If you can't afford an attorney on your own, contact me and I can help you find one willing to at least retain you pro-bono.

Once you retain counsel, the program would be breaking the law by interfering with or monitoring your communication with your attorney.  This sets up an unrestricted contact with the outside world (even outside parental channels), which is VITAL for your safety.  It's best if you don't get sent to a program, but if you must, make SURE you do this, so that you can contact the outside world.  Even if it's a "bad" program, they won't give you nearly as hard a time if they know you have an attorney.
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Re: 10 residential treatment centers
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2009, 07:38:53 PM »
I second the lawyer option. its the only way that anyone who is on your side will be able to gain access to you once you enter the facility.

Another thing you should do is find out if this "case worker" is really an Educational Consultant, to help maybe you can post her name and contact info here on fornits (I would first advise you not to copy this information from your mothers email, but google that woman's name and post any contact info you can find on a public source)

My best advice to a child who feels there in impending incarceration is to buy yourself time by talking to your parents about the dangers of the troubled teen industry and please try to stay on your best behavior, obey the law and try to work with your parents.

I don't recommend bringing your parents to Fornits (some posters here dont receive "program" parents very well here) but rather if you think they are willing to speak to survivors then lead them to get in touch with one of us personally. I think more than a few of us would be willing to speak to your parents, I know I would, as Psy is as well usually up for the challenge. (if Im not being too bold to offer your assistance, please let her know what you would be willing to do to help communicate with the parents.)
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Re: 10 residential treatment centers
« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2009, 09:43:22 PM »
Hey Anya,

A little background.  The ten schools that have been listed are all in New York State, they are all licensed by the New York State Office of Children and Family Services (unlike Family Foundation School), and they are all accredited by the New York Board of Regents (unlike the Academy at Ivy Ridge - now closed).  They stretch out from Albany to Eastern Long Island.  Maybe you're not from Long Island, but I imagine you're somewhere from Southern New York, for those ten schools to be the ones chosen by your "case worker".

To my knowledge, to be admitted to any of these schools you actually have to be interviewed before you are simply accepted.  The prospect of escort services are unlikely (not impossible though).  Unless things are more FUBAR than I imagined, you have some time before anything actually happens.

Now, I put "case worker" in quotes because that term is usually reserved for youth in foster care, and you said that it was your mom who is planning on sending you there.  This could mean a few things, and depending on what you mean, would change how you would want to approach this situation.

1.  Your mom is actually your foster mom.  If this is the case, get in touch with your legal guardian ASAP.
2.  Your "case worker" is actually your case manager at your day treatment program or your social worker at your school.  You can fight your placement.  Then again, you might be at the point that you want to go to a residential program, you just don't want to inadvertantly end up in a hell hole.  There may be options you haven't been offered yet, or haven't explored.  At the very least you want to take a sober look at what's available.  Of the ten schools you've listed you have bad options and you have worse options, I leave open the possibility that they may be better than everything that's already been tried, but even the "best" program on this list has either had a death at the program or girls have been raped at the program or you can expect to probably spend the rest of your high school days at the program.  
3.  Your "case worker" is actually a probation officer/PINS worker.  In that case you may not have an option since the court is involved and you really do need to look at what is the least bad option.
4.  Your "case worker" really is an educational consultant, although given the schools that were listed, they would most likely be working with a school district, and your IEP has already been changed to reflect that you "need" a residential placement.
5.  You "case worker" really is an educational consultant and for some strange reason bypassed all of the WWASP and ASPEN programs, and just decided to refer your mom to ten schools locally that she could pay directly.

Some basic information like the stuff presented above would help greatly in giving you advice for what to do next:

Mainly the following questions:
1.  What county do you live in
2.  Are you in foster care
3.  Are you on probation or have a PINS case
4.  Have you been to an IEP meeting recently
5.  What's the reason why you're being sent to a residential program
6.  What have you and your family tried so far
7.  How did you find this website

I second Fem and Psy's suggestion, as far as getting a lawyer and speaking to your parents, but only if that route would actually be helpful in this situation, which we can only know based on the information above.
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Re: 10 residential treatment centers
« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2009, 10:38:32 PM »
I could be wrong, but this might be the same system I was in at 14. (Westchester county, NY. Andrus Childrens Home, Yonkers.)


Not familiar with any of those places, though. I know about a few lockups, like the one in pleasantville, quiet rooms and all that. But Andrus wasn't one of those.

Andrus, FYI, was on the up and up. Nothing like a program. Not exactly a pot of petunias all the time, but that's life.
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Re: 10 residential treatment centers
« Reply #11 on: April 22, 2009, 08:13:05 AM »
Castle,

You are correct.  Same system different school.  For the record though, JCCA - Pleasantville (if that's the program you are talking about) is also part of the same system.  I understand that they have had major changes there in the last fifteen years, but they are still an RTC.

And for that matter all of the schools that have been listed here are traditional RTC's.  It's a system that houses a little over 3,400 youth at any given time across 43 programs paid almost entirely by New York taxpayer dollars.  I think the original poster was doing a good job of due dilligence by trying to get a gauge on the different programs.  Generally they are open campuses.  Some are in urban locations, some are in remote locations.  The ones that I know of do not use "program" tactics, like restriction of communication or escort services.  But many do use level and point systems, many use restraints and quiet rooms, and depending on the program parental contact is limited.  For example, The Summit School generally allows its students to go home on weekends, but most of the students at Vanderhyden Hall don't go home on weekends because they're in foster care.

With these programs you either need to be court ordered or approved by IEP, and actually with our child welfare system moving away from sending kids to RTCs, these schools have had to fill their beds by taking court referrals.  While being non-profits, they are still as revenue-maximizing as the for-profit programs.

Andrus, in recent years has implemented The Sanctuary Model, which is a trauma-informed way of providing services to youth in a residential setting, and their center has been going around to other residential programs on how to implement it.  In case anybody wants to do some further research on this stuff.
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Re: 10 residential treatment centers
« Reply #12 on: April 22, 2009, 08:38:18 AM »
You're familiar with andrus? cool!

Yeah, Ive read up a little bit about the sanctuary model. When I was there, we had group levels 1-4 which had nothing at all to do with when you could be discharged, unless  you were on group 4, which meant you had just come back from going awol. It was super different than the families we had at CEDU. Also, there was restraint, but if memory serves it was always one on one, although they dont do restraint any more anyways.

I remember being on group 4 for a day for something, but I forgot what. I basically had to stay on the first floor of the cottage and sit on the sofa by the staff room. Other than that, I could do whatever I wanted. I also remember a place in Dallas that my parents looked at when they were going to send me to CEDU called the Julia Phaller home that seemed almost identical in setup to andrus, especially since I would have still been able to go to my high school (arts magnet booker t.) and everything. (I went to hastings HS when I was at andrus. Before that, I spent 8th grade at their on campus school The Orchard.)

It was almost like a group home, except with a bit more structure. It was close to both downtown Yonkers and hastings, and right by the westchester bus line, which could take us up to white plains, or to one of the nearby metro north train stops which could take us right into the city if we wanted. If we werent visiting our folks on the weekend, we'd normally go as a house to flea markets at yonkers raceway, or run up to yonkers or white plains with a group of friends, unsupervised.

Seriously, if this person got sent to a place like andrus they could be a shit fuck of a lot worse off. I had more fun getting into trouble there... and still maintain it was one of the best things that could have happened to me... much much better than living with my mom, which would have driven me to slitting my wrists for real.  Although Im not sure they are treating kids of teen years there, any more.

The campus was HUGE, and I would often cut class just so I could trot back up the aqueduct from HHS and hang out by myself in the woods. One of the house mothers said that she saw Berkowitz himself drive around in his little yellow bug casing the joint during the summer of sam. No idea if it was really him she saw, but it's a cute story. (Her husband freaked out and ran off after he saw the car. "OMG Its son of sam! Its son of sam!") But seriously, if you wanted to, you could hide LOTS of bodies back there. Lots and lots and lots. All of us spoke of that fact often, and would sometimes mount excursions to see if we could find a patch of the campus we had previously overlooked. Hogwarts for juvvies.

Im still on their mailing list, and one of these years Im going to get up enough money to go to one of their summer bbq reunions. Those things look really interesting because a lot of old folks will come who were there when andrus was still an orphanage.

Yeah.. JCCA. One of my andrus buds got sent up there and me and a few of the guys were going to go awol one night, steal a car, and bust her out of there. Never happened... we all fell asleep and woke up in our run away clothes... hehe. teens have such grandiose plans, that rarely pan out. She was fine, btw. Came back to visit us and hang out often.
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Re: 10 residential treatment centers
« Reply #13 on: April 22, 2009, 04:09:45 PM »
Hi if people have specific questions it would be great if you could message them to me instead of posting here because i don't wanna give out loads of information in the open. thanks.
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Re: 10 residential treatment centers
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2009, 09:48:40 PM »
Quote from: "Anya"
i'm going to end up at one of the following residential treatment centers. is there any known problems with any of them that i can bring to my mom with solid evidence? i don't wanna end up somewhere unsafe...

1.Lake Grove
2. St. Anne's
3. The Charlton School
4. Vanderhayden Hall
5. West Park
6. Greenburgh North Castle
7. Greenburgh Graham
8. Harmony Heights
9. Hawthorne Cedar Knolls
10. Summit School

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i'm going to end up at one of the following residential treatment centers. is there any known problems with any of them that i can bring to my mom with solid evidence? i don't wanna end up somewhere unsafe...


Dr. Nicki Bush of ASTART
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vf7fKkwu ... re=related

(1)  Are students allowed to call the state abuse hotline if they witness;

(a) emotional abuse
(b) physical abuse
(c) verbal abuse
(d) water deprivation
(e) food deprivation

 If the school dances around the question = Red Flag

(2)  What is the student to staff ratio?  Few staff working at the school in comparison to high number of students = Red Flag

(3) Who issued the school's operating license and what is the license number? No operating license = Red Flag
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