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Re: AARC Graduate - accused murderer takes plea deal
« Reply #105 on: September 13, 2009, 08:19:10 PM »
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JD, anybody reading Fornits with  influence on the outcome of the AARC situation long ago made their decisions about what kind of a person I am. You gave up on facts, because you didn't have any.  You were too lazy to do even a little research, because of course your interest is not in communicating facts, it is in trying to disrupt the discourse about AARC.  You sent your kids to B Mods, and you set up a referral service for B Mods, and one of your kids whom you sent to a B Mod is dead.  That is unfortunate, but I am not responsible for your son's death.  Over the last few years there have been three principle posters who continued to try to stop people from communicating openly about AARC on this forum.  One is a former staff member who has demonstrated such a high degree of aggressive and obsessive behavior towards former female AARC clients that he became a person of interest to the police.  Another is a long-time worshipper of the Wiz from his days in Saskatchewan, who went so far as to flat out lie, claiming that the Wiz was a registered psychologist, and equating my criticism of Vause with a man who cut another passenger's head off on a Greyhound bus.  Nice company you keep, JD. So there's just you three, JD and the people you are trying to stifle.  Those that want to know what's going on, and those that want to keep them from knowing.  There's no one else here, JD.

I'll jumpin here if you dont mind.

I am not JD, but I "am" the one who has been keeping you feet to the fire and insisting on facts.  If you feel I have been standing in your way of posting then you are mistaken.  It might have felt that way to you because I pushed back every time you made statements without any facts and held you accountable.  you were not use to this so it felt like I was being disruptive.. welcome to the real world, Ajax.
As far as what type of person you are.  This is not defined by the readers or posters here on fornits like you have yourself believe.  It is formed by your actions.  You ridicule others when they dont agree with you.  You fail to fight with facts and instead make fun of their families and disrupt the thread.  You have neglected your son and abused him,  you admitted this openly here on fornits when you stated you watched porno with your son in the room and that he is acting out in school as a result of it.  All these things form who you are, Ajax,not a few handpicked people who like you.

just remember that as you are spending energy picking on this guy JD, you are building ragewhich you will release on your own son.

Think about it... think about your family.

If you have a beef with AARC then stand up like a man and plead your case honestly and openly.  Dont hide in the shadows and ridicule peoples wives and kids.  Thats chicken shit and it is a bad reflection on you and the person your son will look up to someday.

Sorry for my ramblings, it seems I have become the spokes person for this absentee JDÖ Jd if you are listening come on in and defend yourself!!!
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Re: AARC Graduate - accused murderer takes plea deal
« Reply #106 on: September 13, 2009, 08:35:39 PM »
Interesting how Ajax13 attacks people who are not here.  Ever notice?  He asks questions day and night about Vause yet he never approaches him directly.  Now he is doing the same thing with this JD guy.  He somehow feels safe attacking someone who isnt here to listen or talk back to him.  Is he afraid of confrontation?  the answer to his questions? Or afraid he will be exposed?
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Re: AARC Graduate - accused murderer takes plea deal
« Reply #107 on: September 13, 2009, 08:50:26 PM »
Wait, are you saying that Ajax should confront "Doctor" Vause face-to-face?

Because I'd pay to see that. Particularly if it involved a sledgehammer.
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Re: AARC Graduate - accused murderer takes plea deal
« Reply #108 on: September 13, 2009, 08:54:29 PM »
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Wait, are you saying that Ajax should confront "Doctor" Vause face-to-face?

Because I'd pay to see that. Particularly if it involved a sledgehammer.

Ajax feels much safer posting here and asking him questions from the shadows on a street that Vause never walks down.  Now he is doing the same thing with this JD guy.  I wonder why he is afraid of direct talks?
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Re: AARC Graduate - accused murderer takes plea deal
« Reply #109 on: September 13, 2009, 09:25:18 PM »
JD, like I said, there's nobody else here but the people trying to communicate about AARC, and you and a couple of AARColytes who have something to hide.  Fornits has been useful for the exchange of information, but it's not vital.  The Fifth Estate didn't find out about AARC because of Fornits.  ISACCorp has been looking at them for years, and the former AARC clients who were subjected to quackery and violations of their rights in AARC are less afraid of AARC than they were in years past.  Dangerous freaks like the former AARC staffer who has been harassing women on Fornits for years are coming to the attention of the authorities, and the list of former clients who have killed themselves, or committed violent crimes is growing and drawing attention.  I don't have any questions for Dean Vause.  He's got a twenty year history of falsely selling himself as a mental health professional and expert in treating adolescent "addiction".  I am not interested in hearing what he has to say.  AARC's position gets shakier every day, JD, but your son doesn't get any less dead.  Pick up that phone and call the live one.
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Re: AARC Graduate - accused murderer takes plea deal
« Reply #110 on: September 13, 2009, 09:45:13 PM »
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JD, like I said, there's nobody else here but the people trying to communicate about AARC, and you and a couple of AARColytes who have something to hide.  Fornits has been useful for the exchange of information, but it's not vital.  The Fifth Estate didn't find out about AARC because of Fornits.  ISACCorp has been looking at them for years, and the former AARC clients who were subjected to quackery and violations of their rights in AARC are less afraid of AARC than they were in years past.  Dangerous freaks like the former AARC staffer who has been harassing women on Fornits for years are coming to the attention of the authorities, and the list of former clients who have killed themselves, or committed violent crimes is growing and drawing attention.  I don't have any questions for Dean Vause.  He's got a twenty year history of falsely selling himself as a mental health professional and expert in treating adolescent "addiction".  I am not interested in hearing what he has to say.  AARC's position gets shakier every day, JD, but your son doesn't get any less dead.  Pick up that phone and call the live one.

Thank you for updating us.  Of course you have no facts as usual to back up what you say and that is why I am here to point these problems out.  
anyone can come on here and say "So and so has been pretending to be a doctor for 20 years!!" , "His wife is overweight".  The president of Honda motor corp could have weight issues but that doesnt relect on the quality of the automobiles... but you don see that.  He may not even have a drivers license.  You just dont know how to debate the issues with relevant facts.  As long as AARC is effectively treating people and they have an 85% success rate who cares how much people weigh or what their degree is in.


Now go spend some time with your kid.  Turn off the porn and  let him have a normal childhood for a change.  If  you read to him he may forget how you abuse him.

And JD, if you are listening, go call your son.
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Re: AARC Graduate - accused murderer takes plea deal
« Reply #111 on: September 13, 2009, 10:00:36 PM »
JD, you're not making your kid any less dead by carrying on here.  The more time you waste lashing out here, the less time you will have to try to reconcile with the child you haven't managed to kill.
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Re: AARC Graduate - accused murderer takes plea deal
« Reply #112 on: September 14, 2009, 06:42:12 AM »
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JD, you're not making your kid any less dead by carrying on here.  The more time you waste lashing out here, the less time you will have to try to reconcile with the child you haven't managed to kill.

Has everyone noticed that Ajax's posts are starting to soften a little.  They still lack factual info, as usual, but they are less harsh when he is frustrated.  One can only hope this is also refleceted on the handling of his own son.

JD, take a lesson from Ajax here.  Change is possible!!  Pick up the phone now and call your son.
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Re: AARC Graduate - accused murderer takes plea deal
« Reply #113 on: September 14, 2009, 11:42:01 AM »
When you say "everyone", are you under the impression that there is a group of people reading your posts that somehow missed where you tried to derail the thread?   If somebody were following this thread, they would have seen it derail once you tried to obscure the fact that I have been in contact with journalists in Vancouver and and Calgary who have admitted that coverage of AARC is managed to avoid drawing negative attention to the organization.
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"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director

"...based on an understanding that addiction is a chronic relapsing disease that makes people more vulnerable to overdose after they've been in treatment."  Zontar?

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Re: AARC Graduate - accused murderer takes plea deal
« Reply #114 on: September 14, 2009, 01:40:15 PM »
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When you say "everyone", are you under the impression that there is a group of people reading your posts that somehow missed where you tried to derail the thread?   If somebody were following this thread, they would have seen it derail once you tried to obscure the fact that I have been in contact with journalists in Vancouver and and Calgary who have admitted that coverage of AARC is managed to avoid drawing negative attention to the organization.

Actually, everyone who has been reading along knows the thread was derailed by your personal attacks on this JD guy.  You are the only one talking about him.  The rest of us were trying to stay on topic.

We had concluded that the journalists left out any mention of Evans association with AARC because it was a non issue.  This fact upset you so you decided to derail the thread by throwing personal attacks at JD and his family.  This is similar to what you did with Vause when you were proven wrong about his education.
Facts always seem to trip you up so you avoid them.  Its your m.o.
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Re: AARC Graduate - accused murderer takes plea deal
« Reply #115 on: September 14, 2009, 01:50:57 PM »
I have to agree with this John C. guy.  The journalists have spoken with their written word and they believe the AARC connection is a non issue.  These are the facts, Ajax.  Your private phone calls dont hold water.  Unless you can produce some evidence you have nothing.
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Re: AARC Graduate - accused murderer takes plea deal
« Reply #116 on: September 14, 2009, 04:42:20 PM »
Well, no.  I have explained what I was told by journalists in Vancouver and Calgary, specifically in relation to AARC, and in two instances, specifically related to AARC and Andy Evans.  Feel free to disbelieve my account.  In the complete absence of facts contradictory to what I stated, as always, your repeated attempt to bury the statement that I made certainly reenforces my oft-stated conclusion that AARC and those who work on behalf of AARC and the Leader are forced to resort to deception in order to prevent the truth from coming out.  As far as personal attacks go, you killed your son JD.  That's a fact.  Stating so is not an attack, unless the truth hurts.
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"...based on an understanding that addiction is a chronic relapsing disease that makes people more vulnerable to overdose after they've been in treatment."  Zontar?

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« Reply #117 on: September 14, 2009, 04:59:30 PM »
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Well, no. I have explained what I was told by journalists in Vancouver and Calgary, specifically in relation to AARC, and in two instances, specifically related to AARC and Andy Evans. Feel free to disbelieve my account. In the complete absence of facts contradictory to what I stated, as always, your repeated attempt to bury the statement that I made certainly reenforces my oft-stated conclusion that AARC and those who work on behalf of AARC and the Leader are forced to resort to deception in order to prevent the truth from coming out.

You dont have to take everything so personally Ajax13.  It is just a discussion.  Just because I dont believe you doesnít mean I am derailing the thread.  I have been on topic the whole time.  I have spoken to the journalists and they supported their writings 100%.  They were not swayed by AARC like you would have the readers believe.  The articles that they wrote are the factual evidence.  Until another article is written we need to stay with what we have and that is there is no relevant connection between Evans and AARC in the eyes of the Media.

 
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As far as personal attacks go, you killed your son JD. That's a fact. Stating so is not an attack, unless the truth hurts.
Well it is an attack, Ajax.  You donít think ridiculing Vauses son and the weight conditions of various board members isnít an attack?  You dont think that talking about this JD guy isnít derailing the thread?  

If I remind you that just a few days ago you admitted that you watched porno films with your kid in the room and earlier mentioned that he is acting out sexually in school.  You donít think these are off topic remarks?  Do they relate to the topic of AARC?  Think about it, Ajax.  Try to debate with facts instead of trashing people when you get frustrated.

Now if you have any evidence other than what the reporters wrote we need to stay with the conclusion that Evans' time at AARC was not relevant to his present condition.
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Re: AARC Graduate - accused murderer takes plea deal
« Reply #118 on: September 14, 2009, 05:25:24 PM »
I honestly donít see how if Evans worked at a car dealership or fast food restaurant how that would be relevant to him killing a person overseas somewhere.  What bases would the journalists have in trying to make a connection like this?  Does selling cars or working at McDonalds somehow make a person more violent?  Maybe it was his time playing Rugby?  The journalists seem to think this was more relevant than his time at AARC or McDonalds.
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« Reply #119 on: September 14, 2009, 05:35:14 PM »
JD, there is no "we".  There's just you.  You can make whatever conclusion you want, but  you are a lazy motherfucker and can't be bothered to contact the journalists and editors with whom I have bothered to get in touch in the last two years.  You killed your son JD. That's a fact.  Why you would perceive the statement of that fact as an attack is not my concern.  Here is another fact.  The reporter who first covered Evans' arrest in 2007 was given instructions on managing the story, beginning right after Evans was arrested.  I heard this directly from the reporter, and another person interested in AARC was told the same thing.  In 2005, I heard directly from a reporter at the Calgary Herald that the Herald would not cover the alleged abuses in AARC because it would embarass AARC's benefactors.  You can draw whatever conclusion you want about the Vancouver Sun's failure to cover the Evans trial, but Gary Bellett is fully aware of Evans connection to AARC and Bellet wrote a fawning article about AARC a couple of years ago.  By all means feel free to provide statements from those same journalists that contradict what I say, or don't.  Your opinion may be that the fact that Andy Evans is a former AARC counselor is irrelevant to the story, it's not mine, and it wasn't the opinion of anonAARCgrad.  Again, because you are lazy in addition to deranged, you tried to bury the statement of facts that I made about my exchanges with these reporters with your opinion.  You can't win.  You're trying to stifle the exchange of information, but it's impossible.  After the Fifth Estate story, the phony concept of AARC that was sold to people for almost 20 years exploded, gone forever.  The truth shall out, and your son shall still be one dead victim of a shitty father.
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"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director

"...based on an understanding that addiction is a chronic relapsing disease that makes people more vulnerable to overdose after they've been in treatment."  Zontar?