Author Topic: AARC Graduate - accused murderer takes plea deal  (Read 29808 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline TheWho

  • Posts: 7256
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Re: AARC Graduate - accused murderer takes plea deal
« Reply #45 on: September 11, 2009, 05:03:21 PM »
Quote from: "Moonpie"
No mention that Evans is a former unlicensed mental health worker from AARC

Typically the news media do not list all the jobs that a person held when reporting on people unless they are doing a complete profile.  His time at AARC may be miniscule in comparison to his present employment and might have occurred years ago.  I dont see how this would be news worthy to the average reader.

Another thing to think about is that during the early years of a person’s life they hold many jobs.. bartender, bus boy, waiter, asst. Counsellor, counsellor etc...  so they focus on the most recent.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline ajax13

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 1614
  • Karma: +3/-0
    • View Profile
Re: AARC Graduate - accused murderer takes plea deal
« Reply #46 on: September 11, 2009, 08:54:14 PM »
JD, as a program shill who killed his own kid, I can see why you would try to draw attention away from the fact that Evans' former position as a mental healthworker was very relevant to this story.  Typically, journalists report facts that are relevant.  Typically, as you have since you started trying to disrupt the discussions about AARC, you made a pointless generalization that was irrelevant to the thread.  JD, your kids is still dead, and you killed him.  Perhaps you and Andy Evans could become pen pals.  At some point you could even get conjugal visits.  Word to the wise though JD, bring cialis just in case.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director


MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

Offline TheWho

  • Posts: 7256
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Re: AARC Graduate - accused murderer takes plea deal
« Reply #47 on: September 11, 2009, 09:25:39 PM »
Quote from: "ajax13"
Typically, journalists report facts that are relevant.  Typically, as you have since you started trying to disrupt the discussions about AARC, you made a pointless generalization that was irrelevant to the thread.

So by your own conclusion...... either it wasn’t a fact or it wasn’t relevant to the story!

Okay then, it seems we both agree then that if his employment at AARC was not mentioned then obviously it was not relevant to the story.

Trying to sidestep this fact by running the thread off topic and onto me and this guy JD just further reinforces the fact that AARC was not a relevant fact to be reported.  Since no one but yourself believes this you take it into your own hands to make it a point on fornits.. which is cool.  But the rest of the world doesn’t see it that way.  Sorry.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline ajax13

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 1614
  • Karma: +3/-0
    • View Profile
Re: AARC Graduate - accused murderer takes plea deal
« Reply #48 on: September 11, 2009, 09:42:01 PM »
JD, it's been painfully clear since you began your impotent (you and Andy have even more in common than just taking people's lives) attempt to disrupt the exchange of information about AARC that you're stupid.  It's a fact that Evans' time at AARC is relevant, since it's a fact that he's a violent criminal who was allowed control over minors, often against their will, in an unregulated setting.  So it was a fact and it was relevant, but the journalist's coverage was not typical.  Somebody stepped in to control coverage of this story the day Evans showed up at AARC in 2007 after the killing.  But you would have no way of knowing that JD, because you've been busy killing your own kid, and indulging your perverse compulsion to further shame yourself on Fornits.  Stupid and deviant is no way to go through life JD.  Since you can't do anything about being stupid and deviant, why not consider how to fix that last part of your situation?
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director


MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

Offline TheWho

  • Posts: 7256
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Re: AARC Graduate - accused murderer takes plea deal
« Reply #49 on: September 11, 2009, 09:54:06 PM »
Quote from: "ajax13"
So it was a fact and it was relevant, but the journalist's coverage was not typical. Somebody stepped in to control coverage of this story the day Evans showed up at AARC in 2007 after the killing.

You tip your hand a little each time you attack me for my opinions.  It solidifies your obvious lack of proof.  But I will leave a window open for you to reconcile ...  Let’s see the link to support your belief that someone stepped in to control the coverage.  Was this an epiphany from your god or something tangible that we can all read.  Most of us are open minded so don’t be uncomfortable revealing your source or thinking.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline ajax13

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 1614
  • Karma: +3/-0
    • View Profile
Re: AARC Graduate - accused murderer takes plea deal
« Reply #50 on: September 11, 2009, 10:26:33 PM »
JD, this is not like you shirking your responsibilities and causing the death of your son.  Unlike you, I take responsibility for my actions, and for what I say. I was in contact with the reporter who first covered the arrest of Evans back in 2007.  Now since you have no involvement with the AARC story other than your compulsion to try to fuck with me because you were so enraged lo those many months ago when I made the comment, albeit in total ignorance to your situation, about your son, you don't know anything about this other than what you've read on Fornits.  You see kid-killer, anonAARCgrad made the comment that it would be intersting once the media connected the violent crimes of AARC grads in the media to the program.  Moonpie said that the media was already aware of the connection.  He posted an article demonstrating that the media was mentioning the connection to AARC.  And then you, hamfisted and incompetent as usual, put your two cents in.  Useless as ever, you ignored the subject of the previous posts, specifically the fact that the media was ignoring the mounting number of AARC graduates involved in violent crime, and made a post with a ridiculous generalization as though you were somehow demonstrataing something that a reader of the prior posts might not understand.  In addition to being stupid, arrogant, ignorant, unable to control your compulsions, irresponsible and the killer of your own son, you're fucking boring.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director


MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Re: AARC Graduate - accused murderer takes plea deal
« Reply #51 on: September 11, 2009, 10:43:14 PM »
Quote from: "ajax13"
JD, this is not like you shirking your responsibilities and causing the death of your son.  Unlike you, I take responsibility for my actions, and for what I say. I was in contact with the reporter who first covered the arrest of Evans back in 2007.  Now since you have no involvement with the AARC story other than your compulsion to try to fuck with me because you were so enraged lo those many months ago when I made the comment, albeit in total ignorance to your situation, about your son, you don't know anything about this other than what you've read on Fornits.  You see kid-killer, anonAARCgrad made the comment that it would be intersting once the media connected the violent crimes of AARC grads in the media to the program.  Moonpie said that the media was already aware of the connection.  He posted an article demonstrating that the media was mentioning the connection to AARC.  And then you, hamfisted and incompetent as usual, put your two cents in.  Useless as ever, you ignored the subject of the previous posts, specifically the fact that the media was ignoring the mounting number of AARC graduates involved in violent crime, and made a post with a ridiculous generalization as though you were somehow demonstrataing something that a reader of the prior posts might not understand.  In addition to being stupid, arrogant, ignorant, unable to control your compulsions, irresponsible and the killer of your own son, you're fucking boring.

If I may inquire, what proof of Evans working at the AARC was available to the media ? Was it the recollections of survivors, or something more? It's hard to understand how coverage of that fact could get killed-- I'm not saying it wasn't, just that this possibility is truly horrifically incredible.
Thank you.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline ajax13

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 1614
  • Karma: +3/-0
    • View Profile
Re: AARC Graduate - accused murderer takes plea deal
« Reply #52 on: September 11, 2009, 10:53:04 PM »
The media were specifically told, fuckhead, in 2007 and again now that the trial is underway.  So back to your bullshit attempt to derail the thread with your totally irrelevant generalization about typical journalistic practices.  Like I said previously, the reporter who initially covered the arrest admitted that the story was being managed by people who drew a lot of water in Western Canada.  Take a few days JD, and figure out where Kitsilano is before you make another perversely shameful post like your fake advice on the non-existant two AARC facilities.  You, JD, are totally powerless to stop what is happening with AARC.  The truth about the program is getting out.  The truth is that it is founded in pseudoscience, and it is dangerous.  Which means that eventually it will be closed like the Seed, like Straight, like Kids, like Kids Helping Kids, like SAFE, and like Pathways.  And you will still be responsible for killing your kid by giving him to people like those who ran the aforementioned scams, and you will never be able to atone for that.  I watched my kid play volleyball today JD, yours is dead.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director


MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

Offline TheWho

  • Posts: 7256
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Re: AARC Graduate - accused murderer takes plea deal
« Reply #53 on: September 11, 2009, 10:56:17 PM »
Facts can be very boring as opposed to your colorful stories filled with attacks on people you know nothing about.  I know it may be a flaw with me but I prefer facts over colorful stories.

The piece you don’t understand is that journalist write about what is important, they don’t ignore it like you would like readers here to believe.  If there is an interesting connection then the journalist will write about it because that is exactly what they do… it interesting that you throw around the word ignorant so loosely at others yet you struggle like this.

This little conspiracy theory that people are stepping in is a little odd to say the least.  If you could provide at least as little proof to support there is a relevant connection and the press is ignoring it this may play well in increasing the credibility of your story.

Again most readers are open minded and if there is a conspiracy we are willing to listen to the facts.  But you need to start providing some proof first.
Maybe as starters a link to the story which lead you to believe there was a conspiracy.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline ajax13

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 1614
  • Karma: +3/-0
    • View Profile
Re: AARC Graduate - accused murderer takes plea deal
« Reply #54 on: September 11, 2009, 11:04:25 PM »
JD, the fact that I was communicating with the reporter, and later her editor, myself, and then relating the information from those communications, is the exact opposite of talking about people I know nothing about.  Now you on the other hand, are so fucking lazy that you are commenting on what I say, but you don't seem to have contradictory info from the princples in the story.  What did the AARC clients who were in with Evans say to you?  How about those who were in AARC when he was on staff?  What did the reporter who first covered the arrest in 2007 say to you JD?  How about her editor?  Today JD was a very good day for those trying to stop the abuses at AARC.  But you don't know a thing about it.  You have no idea who, or what I'm talking about.  Something happened JD, that you won't hear about for months, because you have absolutely no involvement in this other than your wretched attempt to screw with people who want to put an end to this particular cult.  To coin a phrase JD, you're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie.  Although unlike such a child JD, you had the power to look after your kid and you didn't, and now he's dead.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director


MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

Offline TheWho

  • Posts: 7256
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Re: AARC Graduate - accused murderer takes plea deal
« Reply #55 on: September 11, 2009, 11:16:45 PM »
Quote from: "ajax13"
JD, the fact that I was communicating with the reporter, and later her editor, myself, and then relating the information from those communications, is the exact opposite of talking about people I know nothing about.  Now you on the other hand, are so fucking lazy that you are commenting on what I say, but you don't seem to have contradictory info from the princples in the story.  What did the AARC clients who were in with Evans say to you?  How about those who were in AARC when he was on staff?  What did the reporter who first covered the arrest in 2007 say to you JD?  How about her editor?  Today JD was a very good day for those trying to stop the abuses at AARC.  But you don't know a thing about it.  You have no idea who, or what I'm talking about.  Something happened JD, that you won't hear about for months, because you have absolutely no involvement in this other than your wretched attempt to screw with people who want to put an end to this particular cult.  To coin a phrase JD, you're like a child who wanders into the middle of a movie.  Although unlike such a child JD, you had the power to look after your kid and you didn't, and now he's dead.

Look sorry to rile you up so much, Ajax (not my intent).  Just proving my point that you have no evidence (your 3rd post without a link).  You are so hyped up trying to discredit AARC that you would say anything (we all know that).  How about if I say I spoke to the editor and he said AARC is a non-relevant piece of news.  How do you know if I spoke to him/her or not?
So you see it is all a conspiracy with you.  You have no proof, no links to post up for others to see... just the hope and a prayer that people will believe your bull.
I have read the articles and his connection to AARC is the same as if he worked at McDonalds for a few months.. who cares?
Here is what we know and what is relevant.

" He played rugby at the University of B.C. and volunteered as a counsellor"

I know, ajax, facts are boring.  But its what makes us all believe...... try posting some, see what happens.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline Anonymous

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 164653
  • Karma: +3/-4
    • View Profile
Re: AARC Graduate - accused murderer takes plea deal
« Reply #56 on: September 11, 2009, 11:21:54 PM »
Quote from: "guest"
If I may inquire, what proof of Evans working at the AARC was available to the media ? Was it the recollections of survivors, or something more? It's hard to understand how coverage of that fact could get killed-- I'm not saying it wasn't, just that this possibility is truly horrifically incredible.
Thank you..

Er, sorry. That last post was mine, not thewho’s.

Quote from: "Guest"
Facts can be very boring as opposed to your colorful stories filled with attacks on people you know nothing about. I know it may be a flaw with me but I prefer facts over colorful stories.

The piece you don’t understand is that journalist write about what is important, they don’t ignore it like you would like readers here to believe. If there is an interesting connection then the journalist will write about it because that is exactly what they do… it interesting that you throw around the word ignorant so loosely at others yet you struggle like this.

This little conspiracy theory that people are stepping in is a little odd to say the least. If you could provide at least as little proof to support there is a relevant connection and the press is ignoring it this may play well in increasing the credibility of your story.

Again most readers are open minded and if there is a conspiracy we are willing to listen to the facts. But you need to start providing some proof first.
Maybe as starters a link to the story which lead you to believe there was a conspiracy.


^^ That’s thewho. I'm just trying to comprehend why media fail to report the connection. Is the explanation that survivors’ recollections of his presence aren’t enough lawful “proof” of his involvement with the AARC to protect against defamation lawsuits? I know Canada’s defamation statutes are harsh. Or maybe the (presumably just local) media simply IS corrupt
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline TheWho

  • Posts: 7256
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Re: AARC Graduate - accused murderer takes plea deal
« Reply #57 on: September 11, 2009, 11:27:13 PM »
I kind of see your point “who”.  Take Jeffery Dahmer.  He worked in a chocolate factory yet the journalists didn’t make a big deal out of it or try to make it seem like the chocolate factory caused Jefferey to act this way and cannibalize other kids.

Maybe working the night shift might had pushed him over the edge.  But most people believe he was fucked up before he joined the chocolate factory. How does anyone know if a person is screwed up or not? Or what caused it?
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »

Offline ajax13

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 1614
  • Karma: +3/-0
    • View Profile
Re: AARC Graduate - accused murderer takes plea deal
« Reply #58 on: September 11, 2009, 11:28:50 PM »
Did you speak to the editor JD, and did you speak to the reporter, and did you speak to former AARC clients?  JD, are you aware of a website that one can link to that somehow records all communications that I have had?  If you didn't speak to the reporter, the editor and the former AARC clients who were in AARC while Evans was there,  then you are a lazy sack of shit, in addition to being a terrible father who killed his own child.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director


MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992

Offline TheWho

  • Posts: 7256
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile
Re: AARC Graduate - accused murderer takes plea deal
« Reply #59 on: September 11, 2009, 11:37:58 PM »
Quote from: "ajax13"
Did you speak to the editor JD, and did you speak to the reporter, and did you speak to former AARC clients?  JD, are you aware of a website that one can link to that somehow records all communications that I have had?  If you didn't speak to the reporter, the editor and the former AARC clients who were in AARC while Evans was there,  then you are a lazy sack of shit, in addition to being a terrible father who killed his own child.

Finally a link!! okay link us up to you communications that you had with the media and where they said "Someone stepped in to control the coverage".  Then I will link up mine which tells a story that the media didnt see any relevant connection to AARC at all..... Just a kid who volunteered as a counselor and played for the University of B.C.

Seems you are the only one trying to make the stretch.  The rest of us are basing our decisions on facts... but we are open minded that things may change after you provide your link.
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »