blog of a program parent

[Anonymous]

They talk about how Katie can't handle money or her job, or making decisions in general.

People learn (or at least start to learn) about managing money/work during their teen years. But Katie didn't have any "teen years"-- she had Cross Creek instead.

People learn about making good decisions by trial and error, making various decisions, experiencing their results, and deciding what works best. But Katie didn't get to learn that-- she was at Cross Creek, where she didn't have the freedom to decide anything.

And these parents expect her to come out "fixed"? Dream on!

[TheWho]

It would become my passion to find this person that did this to me, capture him and take him to a remote spot where I would perform the same acts he did on me and then I would slit his throat and bury him in a shallow grave for the animals to find.

Honestly if that doesn't speak volumes about your mental state I don't know what else will.

You are seriously ill, you need help.

As much as I would be consumed with glee to hear that my abusers have come to justice, I would never be able to take that kind of justice in my own hands, I just could never be a torturer/ killer.

I would probably kick more than a few people in the face tho. Including you.

So from all these psychology courses you took, did they teach you that anyone who questions anothers actions or story is calling them a liar?  The courses I took encouraged asking questions for clarification, questioning the validity of information is healthy and brings understanding to the person telling the story as well as those seeking more information.  Your eagerness to jump to the defensive indicates that maybe the stories are not all they seem on the surface.

Unlike you, I wouldnt let a person like this continue to torture, urinate on, force feces down other childrens throats.  I wouldnt be able to sleep at night.  How can you knowing the persons name where they live etc.  Something doesnt add up.  Out of all the 10's of thousand of kids this is done to you would think one wouldnt be able to sleep nights and would feel for the other kids that are suffering today and put a stop to it.

[FemanonFatal2.0]

They talk about how Katie can't handle money or her job, or making decisions in general.

People learn (or at least start to learn) about managing money/work during their teen years. But Katie didn't have any "teen years"-- she had Cross Creek instead.

People learn about making good decisions by trial and error, making various decisions, experiencing their results, and deciding what works best. But Katie didn't get to learn that-- she was at Cross Creek, where she didn't have the freedom to decide anything.

And these parents expect her to come out "fixed"? Dream on!

Well said!

I dont understand why that doesnt register with these people, or why they are still loyal to a program that obviously didnt work... oh yea thats right because EVERYTHING is Katie's fault...

Katie's father is the one who needs to start taking some accountability, realize what role he plays in all this and how its possible that 3 years in a lock down facility take a MASSIVE toll on your social skills. I remember how behind I was when I got back... I can only imagine that Katie's problems are worse. They get so freaked out when she starts screaming, crying and having a "melt down" but have they ever actually listened to what shes saying or cared to find out why she would be in such a state of distress and easily upset?... that to me sounds like there is a serious psychological problem that has not be addressed, and instead of helping her heal they are driving her to her breaking point. You seriously can't train a human, we are not dogs, especially since this girl is now almost an adult who's "life skills" process has been severely stunted.

Well my heart really goes out to this girl, I can only imagine how she feels right now, especially when shes about to be kicked out on her ass and doesn't have the slightest clue how to support herself.

[FemanonFatal2.0]

It would become my passion to find this person that did this to me, capture him and take him to a remote spot where I would perform the same acts he did on me and then I would slit his throat and bury him in a shallow grave for the animals to find.

Honestly if that doesn't speak volumes about your mental state I don't know what else will.

You are seriously ill, you need help.

As much as I would be consumed with glee to hear that my abusers have come to justice, I would never be able to take that kind of justice in my own hands, I just could never be a torturer/ killer.

I would probably kick more than a few people in the face tho. Including you.

So from all these psychology courses you took, did they teach you that anyone who questions anothers actions or story is calling them a liar?  The courses I took encouraged asking questions for clarification, questioning the validity of information is healthy and brings understanding to the person telling the story as well as those seeking more information.  Your eagerness to jump to the defensive indicates that maybe the stories are not all they seem on the surface.

Unlike you, I wouldn't let a person like this continue to torture, urinate on, force feces down other childrens throats.  I wouldnt be able to sleep at night.  How can you knowing the persons name where they live etc.  Something doesnt add up.  Out of all the 10's of thousand of kids this is done to you would think one wouldnt be able to sleep nights and would feel for the other kids that are suffering today and put a stop to it.

I'm sorry what thread were you reading?... he (or it seems you) didn't ask any questions, he simply said that he didn't believe it.

That's why I offered an explanation and clarification, as I have been down this path with other program supporters (more-so staff or ed cons) and often do they share the same rationalizations, yet rarely do they ever ask me about my personal experience, they usually judge me before they ever really know what I've been through. So whether he reads that or not, I still know why I'm fighting this uphill battle.

What I would like to know is why you, NeilW, have such an interest in our forum and what program you are affiliated with and why you think the kind of "treatment" in these programs is appropriate. Furthermore I would like to know if you have children, and if you have at any point placed them in a program. I know these questions have been asked before and you blatantly skirt them, and I assume cowardliness is just another perk of your refined personality but I think it would only be fair that you reveal your reasoning for being so cold toward us and the children we are advocating for.

[TheWho]

What I would like to know is why you, NeilW, have such an interest in our forum and what program you are affiliated with and why you think the kind of "treatment" in these programs is appropriate. Furthermore I would like to know if you have children, and if you have at any point placed them in a program. I know these questions have been asked before and you blatantly skirt them, and I assume cowardliness is just another perk of your refined personality but I think it would only be fair that you reveal your reasoning for being so cold toward us and the children we are advocating for.

I have several children and have had a child in a program.  If I seem cold towards you it is because I have seen the bias of how parents are treated vs kids on this forum.  I find it hard to believe that you say who you are.  People that I have known who studied psychology don’t go around calling other people names.  I also find it hard to believe that you know the names of people who force kids to eat feces and vomit and urinate on them.  It seems that within the confines of this forum stories like this are accepted at face value.  I am not calling anyone a liar, I am questioning the story.  Maybe this happened once and you are using it as an example and trying to make the readers believe it happens to all the kids at cross creek and other programs.  Either way something is not right.
Take this as an example:  Lets say that I tell you that I have a neighbor up the street who grabs kids on the way to school and forces them to eat feces and vomit and then urinates on them , maybe an occasional rape here and there or maybe its a teacher.  Then it becomes common knowledge in the neighbourhood that this is being done and no one does anything about.  Then the kids start talking about it openly on forums.  WOULD YOU BELIEVE MY STORY? Dont you think at some point someone would do something?  Dont you think one of these kids when they reach 20 years old will make a midnight visit to this guys house?  How would any of these thousands of kids sleep at night knowing this guy is abusing other young children?  My opinion would be none of them could

[Anonymous]

I have several children and have had a child in a program.  If I seem cold towards you it is because I have seen the bias of how parents are treated vs kids on this forum.  I find it hard to believe that you say who you are.  People that I have known who studied psychology don’t go around calling other people names.  I also find it hard to believe that you know the names of people who force kids to eat feces and vomit and urinate on them.  It seems that within the confines of this forum stories like this are accepted at face value.  I am not calling anyone a liar, I am questioning the story.  Maybe this happened once and you are using it as an example and trying to make the readers believe it happens to all the kids at cross creek and other programs.  Either way something is not right.
Take this as an example:  Lets say that I tell you that I have a neighbor up the street who grabs kids on the way to school and forces them to eat feces and vomit and then urinates on them , maybe an occasional rape here and there or maybe its a teacher.  Then it becomes common knowledge in the neighbourhood that this is being done and no one does anything about.  Then the kids start talking about it openly on forums.  WOULD YOU BELIEVE MY STORY? Dont you think at some point someone would do something?  Dont you think one of these kids when they reach 20 years old will make a midnight visit to this guys house?  How would any of these thousands of kids sleep at night knowing this guy is abusing other young children?  My opinion would be none of them could

^^^TheWho^^^

Translation: Please talk to me Femanon, I am so desperate to talk to someone and the rest of fornits is wise to my games.  :roflmao:

[Anonymous]

It would become my passion to find this person that did this to me, capture him and take him to a remote spot where I would perform the same acts he did on me and then I would slit his throat and bury him in a shallow grave for the animals to find.

Honestly if that doesn't speak volumes about your mental state I don't know what else will.

I'd say this:

A new option that some parents are now persuing is suing the child for the cost of the program as the parents approach retirement. If the parents can prove that the child did not apply themselves while they were attending (therfore purposefully wasting the money) the parents would be entitled to a settlement equal to their costs plus interest from the time of their initial investment. The parents would not be able to tap into the childs 401K account but their income could be garnished on a percentage basis which would allow them to recoup some of their loss.
The programs are required to maintain records on each child which can be accessed and used in court for this purpose also.

NeilW is a pathological liar, among other things. lol.

[TheWho]

NeilW is a pathological liar, among other things. lol.

So calling people liars is acceptable here or does this not apply to survivors posts?  I believe those we take at face value, no questions asked (as long as they are negative)

[Anonymous]

They talk about how Katie can't handle money or her job, or making decisions in general.

People learn (or at least start to learn) about managing money/work during their teen years. But Katie didn't have any "teen years"-- she had Cross Creek instead.

People learn about making good decisions by trial and error, making various decisions, experiencing their results, and deciding what works best. But Katie didn't get to learn that-- she was at Cross Creek, where she didn't have the freedom to decide anything.

And these parents expect her to come out "fixed"? Dream on!

Not only that, but not being able to handle money doesn't make you some pathological reprobate as Michael C Carter and Diane Carter, of Ohio, imagine.

The U.S. is in  recession because so many people: CEOs, traders, etc., over extended themselves. The U.S is near financial depression because of that. So is 3/4s of the nation insane reprobates or just teenage Katie?

Are Michael C Carter and Diane insane deviants because they financially over extended themselves for WWASP, despite there being NO clinical (or judicial) PROOF WWASP does anything but DESTROY people--putting aside the issue of torturing Kaite into deep mental disability--isn't that just plain BAD financial planning and shouldn't they therefore should be condemning themselves now? Especially considering that they chose it over comparatively no-cost dialectic family therapy (where the whole family is considered, not just a scapegoat), any form of out patient therapy, or just simple stuff like getting a kid involved in theatre and activities have been PROVED to actually help? Even if they can claim they were ignorant about the reality of WWASP shouldn’t they be lacerating themselves now for not doing basic research? Why just flog Katie for 1000$ or so dollars?

Those sort of irrational, scapegoating, unevenly applied contemptuous judgments are abusive thought processes.

 I think the blog of Michael C Carter and Diane Carter, the shameful child abusers, should be screen saved and forwarded to relevant academics so abusive thought processes and care-givers can be better understood

[TheWho]

I think the blog of Michael C Carter and Diane Carter, the shameful child abusers, should be screen saved and forwarded to relevant academics so abusive thought processes and care-givers can be better understood

I agree THE BLOG has good insight into what the family goes thru when they have a child who is out of control and at risk.

Screen shot:

Katie reverts back to her old old self calling me that endearing name of "fucking bitch….. Christmas day was fine until around dinner when she reverted back to screaming about things and making everyone miserable.  Even Scout has gone back to hiding again when she starts her fits.

[/i]

Here is a kid that thinks about no one except herself.  She even abuses her younger siblings who have to live locked in their room while Katie is home.  Why cant she step back and see the damage she is doing to herself and her family?  Why doesnt she just consider moving out?  She is old enough by now.

[Anonymous]

I think the blog of Michael C Carter and Diane Carter, the shameful child abusers, should be screen saved and forwarded to relevant academics so abusive thought processes and care-givers can be better understood

I agree THE BLOG has good insight into what the family goes thru when they have a child who is out of control and at risk.

Screen shot:

Katie reverts back to her old old self calling me that endearing name of "fucking bitch….. Christmas day was fine until around dinner when she reverted back to screaming about things and making everyone miserable.  Even Scout has gone back to hiding again when she starts her fits.

[/i]

Here is a kid that thinks about no one except herself.  She even abuses her younger siblings who have to live locked in their room while Katie is home.  Why cant she step back and see the damage she is doing to herself and her family?  Why doesnt she just consider moving out?  She is old enough by now.

LOL. Neil/who's a first-rate illustration of abusive thought-processes, also, not to mention pathological dishonesty and sociopathy.
Where’s that link about the "new legal option"  for “parents”  of suing kids who don’t “apply” themselves in “programs,”  neil/who?

Neil illustrates a cult-co-opted brain: His innapropriate "parent victimizaed by evil child" outlook that his cult has inculcated in him,  makes him understand a child calling the step-mom that "checked out of the relationship" and financed her torture for 3 YEARS a "fucking bitch" as abuse. But that's not how such a situation would be classified medically, or by sane people, who/neil

Neil also illustrates a cult-co-opted brain with his absurd contradictory beleifs: Katie is terribly mentally ill therefore not responsible for her actions, and yet not mentally ill, therefore completely responsible for her actions and therefore bad, "selfish."  Black is white.


Mike, is this Neil character positively thewho?

[TheWho]

My link is just below the link that supports your allegations.  Go check it out.  Also if you read my post again you will see that Katie reverted back to her old ways.  She was abusing her parents and siblings long before she went to Cross Creek, so she didnt get that attitude there.  (WHOOPS, guess you skimmed over that part)

Another blog entry:

Well this past week was a bad one for Katie, she dropped back to level 1 again. A bit factor on this was cheating on an algebra test

Oh my!  Must be the programs fault or maybe her parents fault.  This could not possible be Katies fault.  Maybe the color orange is attractive to her.

[Anonymous]

What I would like to know is why you, NeilW, have such an interest in our forum and what program you are affiliated with and why you think the kind of "treatment" in these programs is appropriate. Furthermore I would like to know if you have children, and if you have at any point placed them in a program. I know these questions have been asked before and you blatantly skirt them, and I assume cowardliness is just another perk of your refined personality but I think it would only be fair that you reveal your reasoning for being so cold toward us and the children we are advocating for.

I have several children and have had a child in a program.  If I seem cold towards you it is because I have seen the bias of how parents are treated vs kids on this forum.  I find it hard to believe that you say who you are.  People that I have known who studied psychology don’t go around calling other people names.  I also find it hard to believe that you know the names of people who force kids to eat feces and vomit and urinate on them.  It seems that within the confines of this forum stories like this are accepted at face value.

Those "stories" are from 1000s of survivors, have been submitted under penalty of perjury, during in the course of lawsuits,criminal investigations, congressional hearings. They have been presented to Feds and have put more than one WWASP manager in the clink and have closed down several WWASP torture chamers. (mostly overseas by countries not bought by David Gilcrease and his evil child murdering henchmen) Time to stop calling them stories, who.

FEMANON, contact Kaite, or her brothers. Do something helpful instead of wasting time with thewho, please, ::poke::  :soapbox:

[Anonymous]

My link is just below the link that supports your allegations.  Go check it out.  Also if you read my post again you will see that Katie reverted back to her old ways.  She was abusing her parents and siblings long before she went to Cross Creek, so she didnt get that attitude there.  (WHOOPS, guess you skimmed over that part)

Another blog entry:

Well this past week was a bad one for Katie, she dropped back to level 1 again. A bit factor on this was cheating on an algebra test

Oh my!  Must be the programs fault or maybe her parents fault.  This could not possible be Katies fault.  Maybe the color orange is attractive to her.

Oh my god! She cheated on an algebra test!! And after being tortured and brutalized and  forced to torture others for 3 years? Not to mention denied an education? How is this girl not on death row? She is so BAD!!!! Go rape some  sense into her, WHO. I'm sure you miss the halcyon days raping  your daughter through ASPEN.

[TheWho]

LOL Forgot we dont have to raise the bar too high here.  Cheating must be the norm and no big deal, sorry I pointed that out.