How to fit in at Fornits.com

[Anonymous]

Basically if you want to get in good with the posters at fornits I can tell you how. You have to say these things but don't list it off because that's kind of obvious. Just bring up these things now and then and you'll see how quickly you rise in the ranks of fornits.

#1 Mormons are evil

Did you know that Mormons are behind most programs? Yep, it's true. They also hate fags and don't want them to get married. Mormons are EVIL and the world would be bunnies and kisses if they just converted to Catholicism already.

#2 Addiction is NOT a disease

Despite decades of scientific research and studies, and what every single professional and school has ever told you, they are wrong. Addiction is NOT a disease and claiming so gives those stupid addicts an excuse not to get better. If you know an addict, kick them out on the street and they will choose to get better. if they don't, who cares. It's not like they can't just stop whenever they want.

#3 Alcoholics Anonymous is evil
 
AA is a CULT that sucks people in and ruins their life and their families life. BEWARE OF THE EVIL AA! (I heard the coffee is poisoned and donuts contain brainwashing drugs that make you come back every week)

#4 Ron Paul isn't insane

Ron Paul, the biggest political supporter of programs that could possibly exist, isn't crazy. No, just because his politics would create more programs and no way to regulate or shut them down, doesn't mean he shouldn't win. Let's take the country back to the stone age and elect the only candidate who appears to have a mental illness. RON PAUL!

#5 If a kid dies from drug addiction any point in their life and went to the program, ITS THE PROGRAM's FAULT

Let's say a kid went to a program when they were 15. If they die of a drug or alcohol overdose in their 20's or 30's, or anytime for the rest of their life, the blame lies solely with the program they attended. If programs worked, then they should of been cured of addiction (which isnt a disease), right? RIGHT!

#6 Nobody is at fault

Program parents were suckered. Staff were kind-hearted, but misguided do-gooders. Owners just want to make a buck. Peer abuse happens because they are brainwashed. Nobody is at fault really, it's the 'system' that's bad.. yeah.. man... that's it.

#7 Having a website will solve the problem

Internets to the rescue! If parents don't find this website then they didn't do enough research.

#8 Child abuse will end when the program I went to is shut down

Since I only care about the abuse that happened to me, when the place I was at is shut down then abuse will no longer happen to any other kid!

#9 All kids in programs are innocent

All the kids in programs are sweet 14 year old, straight A students who were sent away for no reason at all.  Which leads into...

#10 All program parents are EVIL

They send their kids away for no reason to the worst place they can find so they can have their kid tortured. They want their kid to be abused in horrible ways and pray every night their kid is away the kid is being beaten into a submissive pulp.


There you go, if you want to one day make it to moderator status these will help you fit in here. They might also help you gain access to the secret forum... oh wait, nobody posts in that forum anymore. Never mind!


And just one more thing...












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[try another castle]

last time I slid on a rash of farm animals, my pylon divided into three and a half tea cozies.

I'm still not sure how to feel about that.

[dishdutyfugitive]

Kudos - I'll give credit where credit is due. Your adept at the art of discreditia

Back to the point at hand.

Assemble the population of CEDU graduates/alumni in one place and record the honest summary of their experiences.

Perhaps you're right. All Future parents considering a cedu clone program/derivative should get out their checkbook and ignore everything but the marketing brochure.

[Anonymous]

There you go, if you want to one day make it to moderator status these will help you fit in here.

Does this guy have ambitions of being moderator here?


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[psy]

#6 and #10 are mutually exclusive, among other things.

[Froderik]

#6 Nobody is at fault

Program parents were suckered. Staff were kind-hearted, but misguided do-gooders. Owners just want to make a buck. Peer abuse happens because they are brainwashed. Nobody is at fault really, it's the 'system' that's bad.. yeah.. man... that's it.

Troll or no troll, you make some valid observations here. Broad-brush assertions of the sort you mentioned are bothersome.

I'll expound a little: Sure, there were parents that were suckered, but some were just irresponsible and wanted to dump their kid somewhere. Yes, there were some kind-hearted staff, but there were also some tyrannical staff members too, and they shouldn't be let off the proverbial hook too easily (from what I have seen on this forum, they usually aren't, not usually...) Owners DO want to make a buck, but some had good intentions -- on this point I would say that this doesn’t excuse them, though.

That being said, these forums can be a great place to gain understanding and insight, at least in retrospect.

PS- it is true about #6 & #10; you should clarify.

[Anonymous]

#6 and #10 are mutually exclusive, among other things.

PS- it is true about #6 & #10; you should clarify.

It's called cognitive dissonance, a prerequisite of taking fornits seriously. For instance, how do you reconcile the claim that addiction is not a medical disease based on pseudo-science and gut-instinct, in the exact same deductionary process that programs engage in?  

But besides that, "program parents" is a broad term. They are evil! But, of course, "my" parents are not evil. They just got duped. See how that works?

Staff who abuse kids are evil bastards. But a staff who comes to fornits and admits as much, well he's just a nice guy who got caught up in something beyond his control and we are friends.

Cognitive dissonance. Gotta love it!

[Froderik]

It's called cognitive dissonance, a prerequisite of taking fornits seriously. For instance, how do you reconcile the claim that addiction is not a medical disease based on pseudo-science and gut-instinct, in the exact same deductionary process that programs engage in?

Despite being unprofessionally and inaccurately labeled a "druggie" in 1982 and shanghaied into Straight Inc., I acknowledge that there is such a thing as physical addiction (especially with alcohol or opiates), but let the person get help if they want it, don't force them into it.

[psy]

It's called cognitive dissonance, a prerequisite of taking fornits seriously. For instance, how do you reconcile the claim that addiction is not a medical disease based on pseudo-science and gut-instinct, in the exact same deductionary process that programs engage in?  

Well.  The opinion that addiction is not a disease is not based on pseudo-science or gut instinct... but that is a discussion for another thread.  It's also not an opinion that is shared by everybody on fornits...  just some.  Put up a poll and see how many registered users think addiction is a disease.  I bet it's a split 50/50 (which is higher than elsewhere...  polls elsewhere have gone 80/20 towards addiction *not* being a disease).

But besides that, "program parents" is a broad term. They are evil! But, of course, "my" parents are not evil. They just got duped. See how that works?

Apart from a few exceptions, I don't think i've ever stated that program parents are evil.  Most are duped, and i've said that many times before.  The con wouldn't work if program parents weren't duped.  You honestly think programs are honest with parents?

Staff who abuse kids are evil bastards. But a staff who comes to fornits and admits as much, well he's just a nice guy who got caught up in something beyond his control and we are friends.

Staff who come to Fornits generally get blasted.  Staff who come to fornits on hands and knees begging for forgiveness or apologizing for what they have done...  that's a different story, but it's natural and expected.  No cognitive dissonance about that.

Also, it's a big mistake to think that everybody on Fornits thinks alike.  They don't.

[Anonymous]

Put up a poll and see how many registered users think addiction is a disease.  I bet it's a split 50/50 (which is higher than elsewhere...  polls elsewhere have gone 80/20 towards addiction *not* being a disease).

Science is not a democracy. If 51% of the world believed the Earth was flat, it wouldn't make it true.

[Ursus]

Put up a poll and see how many registered users think addiction is a disease. I bet it's a split 50/50 (which is higher than elsewhere... polls elsewhere have gone 80/20 towards addiction *not* being a disease).

Science is not a democracy. If 51% of the world believed the Earth was flat, it wouldn't make it true.

Who said anything about a democracy, or even science, for that matter?

Psy suggested that you put up a poll to determine what people's opinions were, since you seemed a bit stuck on assuming that all fornits posters were one and the same on that issue.

Your response does not logically follow from psy's post.

[psy]

Put up a poll and see how many registered users think addiction is a disease.  I bet it's a split 50/50 (which is higher than elsewhere...  polls elsewhere have gone 80/20 towards addiction *not* being a disease).

Science is not a democracy. If 51% of the world believed the Earth was flat, it wouldn't make it true.

But the truth of the matter (addiction is/is not a disease) wasn't your argument.  Your argument was that most at Fornits held the opinion that addiction was not a disease.  That *is* something that can be objectively proven or disproven.

But with your unrelated point, I completely agree with you.  Even if 90% of the planet held the opinion that addiction was a disease, it wouldn't make it true.  For example, homosexuality was once considered a disease, for instance.  Now it is not.

[Anonymous]

But the truth of the matter (addiction is/is not a disease) wasn't your argument.  Your argument was that most at Fornits held the opinion that addiction was not a disease.  That *is* something that can be objectively proven or disproven.

Where did anyone state "most of fornits believes addiction is not a disease" ?  I'll be waiting for that quote.

But with unrelated point, I completely agree with you.  Even if 90% of the planet held the opinion that addiction was a disease (this, thankfully is not the case), it wouldn't make it true.  For example, homosexuality was once considered a disease, for instance.  Now it is not.

Many people also believe homosexuality is a choice. In the exact same fashion you believe using drugs and alcohol to excess is a choice. Do you believe homosexuality is a choice? There comes that pesky fornits cognitive dissonance again.

In the US 75,000 deaths per year are attributed to alcoholism alone, that is not counting drug related deaths.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6089353/
That is the equivalent of a 9/11 every two weeks. But they are all just stupid people who could of stopped whenever they want, right?

So when people wonder why addicts don't just choose to be sober before destroying their life at fornits, it sounds exactly the same as people questioning why anybody would ever choose to be gay. You all (the everything is a choice crowd) sound equally ignorant and mean spirited.

[Anonymous]

since you seemed a bit stuck on assuming that all fornits posters were one and the same on that issue.

Nobody said "all fornits posters share the exact same opinion". The title of this thread is "how to fit in at fornits.com". I think if someone says "addiction is not a disease" , they have a better chance of fitting in with the regulars currently frequenting fornits (which in fact, is very few).

If a new poster came here and took the scientifically backed position of addiction being a disease, I fear they will be in for a flamewar they are not ready for, and will leave before giving fornits a chance. If you had an open mind you'd realize I am helping the new user, and fornits.com by letting them know of some of the arguments going on here.

This way the new user can fit in, and perhaps even gain access to the secret forum. Oh.. wait. Strike that last line from the record.

[Anonymous]

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Where did anyone state "most of fornits believes addiction is not a disease" ?  I'll be waiting for that quote.

Well, in #2 of your list of how to fit in you state that  believing it is not a disease will help.  That pretty much implies that you believe most of us think that.

Many people also believe homosexuality is a choice. In the exact same fashion you believe using drugs and alcohol to excess is a choice. Do you believe homosexuality is a choice? There comes that pesky fornits cognitive dissonance again.

Not even a comparison! Homosexuality is not a choice.  You either are attracted to people of the same sex or you're not. It is a sexual orientation that, in itself, has no bearing on anyone's character or causes any physical problems.  Alcohol abuse (there is a difference between use and abuse) quite obviously causes many problems for the abuser.  Gays are gay before they ever act on their feelings.  Alcoholics are not alcoholics until they drink to excess.

In the US 75,000 deaths per year are attributed to alcoholism alone, that is not counting drug related deaths.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6089353/
That is the equivalent of a 9/11 every two weeks. But they are all just stupid people who could of stopped whenever they want, right?

Most of them, yes.  If someone is truly ADDICTED (that is, physically dependent) to a drug, seek medical help.  Not quackery.

So when people wonder why addicts don't just choose to be sober before destroying their life at fornits, it sounds exactly the same as people questioning why anybody would ever choose to be gay. You all (the everything is a choice crowd) sound equally ignorant and mean spirited.

It may sound that way to YOU, but not many others.  Alcoholism is a problem.  IMO, it is not a 'disease' .  Addiction is different from "excessive use".  Addiction requires a physical dependence.