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Bottom Line Scam
« on: March 06, 2009, 09:24:31 AM »
Again, AARC demonstrated to be telling a story that doesn't quite line up with documented facts.  AARC claimed for a number of years, and sent a couple of asshole MLAs into the legislature claiming the same thing, that their study was independent validation of their success rate.  Here, the Union Institute's Michael Patton explains that the study was in fact not independent.  The Wiz is the biggest con you'll ever meet.

"Dr. Michael Patton
Dr. Michael Patton is former president of the American Evaluation Association, a 5,500-member body for professional evaluators of programs, personnel and technology. He was a long-time professor at the University of Minnesota and has written five books about evaluation. He spoke with fifth estate Associate Producer Alex Roslin.
CBC: So AARC, your involvement with them was to supervise a grad student who was doing the study?

PATTON: That’s right.

CBC: Or who was I should say analyzing the data?

PATTON: Analyzing the data, yes. We didn’t do the study, and he didn’t do the study. What he did was analyze the data…

CBC: So how did you end up being involved with them then?... Was it just that they contracted you to do that evaluation?...

PATTON: They knew me from my writings on evaluation—I’ve written textbooks about evaluation—and contacted me. And right at that moment I had this graduate student whose field of study was chemical dependency.

CBC: And they were interested in doing this study, and they just wanted your professional involvement I guess.

PATTON: That’s right. They were looking for a professional evaluator to analyze the data, and chemical dependency evaluation is not my specialty. I’m a generalist evaluator. And I’ve written general textbooks about evaluation. But when they called I had this graduate student for whom this seemed like a perfect project. He was working on his dissertation at the time. And this was a way for him to use his expertise and get some additional support at the end of his doctoral program. And so I agreed to supervise him to do the analysis.

CBC: Right, okay. And did you or your grad student, were you involved in designing the study or helping them design the study? Or is it just the evaluation part?

PATTON: They developed the instrument. I reviewed the instrument with him [his grad student] to be sure that the analysis could be done. And it looked fairly straightforward. He went to Edmonton and spent two or three days up there as part of putting this together. And I actually don’t remember what all he did.

It was clear that our role was not to validate the program or endorse the program in any way. And that’s not what the report does. In fact, you’ll note that the report very carefully describes it as an outcomes study only. So there’s nothing that he was involved in or that I was involved in, in actually looking at the model that they do. We had no involvement with that. There’s no documentation of the model.

There was no direct contact in data gathering in the instrument. So it was to review that the questions were appropriate questions for an outcome study. And then they gathered the data, and he analyzed it with a colleague at Hazelden Foundation.

CBC: Okay. Were you involved in evaluating the data itself?

PATTON: We provided them with the analysis that is the centrepiece of the report, that is how the results came out. I remember adding to the limitations section, which I cited to you yesterday, trying to be careful that the report was not inappropriately used. And so that was my main contribution. But the data analysis that’s presented in that outcome study is right out of the results that they sent to Hazelden.

CBC: Okay. So the study then—who wrote the words that are the bulk of it that we see there? I have just seen the version that I sent to you, and I assume that it looks pretty much like what you have I guess?

PATTON: Yes.

CBC: Is it…

PATTON: Yes.

CBC: … pretty much the same thing?

PATTON: I mean the findings are descriptive findings for the most part—this is what the data said. As I recall there was some back and forth in the final writing about how much was going to be in it and what. So that there are, what, three or four names listed on it, and I presume everybody did some of the writing. I certainly reviewed it, especially adding to the limitations section. But the focus is on what the followup results were, as reported in the questionnaire and interviews, and so it is not more than that.

It’s not a—there are always difficulties in this kind of self-reporting. It is common in evaluation in general and chemical dependency programs specifically to have the problem of relying upon what people tell you after the fact.

So this doesn’t include independent validation of that. I remember that there were some parents contacted where they couldn’t reach the kids. And of course that’s another source of data, but that’s subject to its own problems. So I would treat it as a fairly modest study that is one part of a bigger puzzle, not as a definitive piece of work, as I told you yesterday.

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CBC: It occurred to me that because some of the kids there are court-ordered and would have been on probation and part of their probation condition is that they attend there, now if they are being interviewed by someone from the program, would they have perhaps a bias or an incentive to underreport substance abuse…

PATTON: Sure.

CBC: … because in that case they could have trouble with the court?

PATTON: All the kids could have incentives for underreporting. They want to please the program staff if they have relationships with them. They know what outcome they’re supposed to report. They want to show that they’ve done well. In some cases, people actually believe that they’re doing better than they are. They’re in denial themselves about their use patterns. There’s the problem you mentioned of the court. That’s all the problem with self-reporting data. There are lots of reasons why self-report data are a first level, the very first thing you do to see how it looks on the surface.

There are studies where the self-report data are bad enough that you say, “Well, it’s not worth going to a lot of trouble to validate it because the self-report data are weak.”

And self-report data work best where the data are gathered anonymously by independent people, where there’s no incentive to worry about. And you know, it gets harder with kids to understand what it means when they’re told that they won’t be identified as individuals, that their data will only be aggregated with other kids, that nobody will know what their responses are. And they sign consent forms saying that they understand all of that. But you don’t really know if they trust that.

CBC: In this case was it done anonymously?

PATTON: Well, it can’t be done anonymously because they’re interviews.

CBC: Oh, there were interviews in this case.

PATTON: Yeah.

CBC: It wasn’t anonymous interviews.

PATTON: No."
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2008-2009/power ... atton.html

How about this knee-slapper about previous attempts to fake a success rate for AARC:

"AAARC’s research has faced criticisms before. In 1994, the Alberta Alcohol and Drug Abuse Commission raised questions about an earlier AARC evaluation of its success rate.

At the time, the commission wanted AARC to have an independent study of its program done by an experienced, credible research group of its program as a condition of a $100,000 grant.

AARC did submit a study. It is even mentioned on AARC’s website, where it is described as “an external review.”

The commission wasn’t so sure. One of its researchers reviewed the study and noted that, in her opinion, it “was not conducted by an independent researcher, but by people associated with AARC,” according to a commission memo obtained through the freedom of information legislation.

That researcher’s conclusion: AARC’s study was not “technically adequate based on widely accepted standards of research and evaluation.”
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2008-2009/power ... study.html


“It’s expensive of course to commission an external evaluation. But, that would be the next step. I do remember that the internal evaluation results were quite positive. But, the evaluation that was done did not independently examine the process. The graduate student that I supervised did not independently talk to any of the young people or the parents. He simply analyzed the data that they sent him. And I was the supervisor of him which is how my name ends up on the report,” Patton said.
http://www.cbc.ca/fifth/2008-2009/power ... study.html


Still thinking of dying on that hill for AARC, little boy?
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Re: Bottom Line Scam
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2009, 04:50:57 PM »
Yes! And we already knew this, check the date.

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A mom » 26 Sep 2008, 07:08

    Rock solid credible? A strange mishmash of terms to describe a scientific study of a health care facility. There's only one person so desperate to be heard that he would embarass himself like this. Still at it, Joshy?
    I assume that the next communication won't be by telephone. My Special Lady Friend left several messages for Natalie Oldcomer, in an effort to acquire her records from AARC. Never did get a call back. So, I'm hoping that the next communication comes in the form of a singing telegam. Do they send singing telegrams out to Langdon, Joshy?
    Glad to see that you're able to gain access to AADAC's vast compilation of personal data on the citizens of Alberta. Funny stuff.
    In a way, I admire your pluck. You're willing to shit yourself in an effort to get attention, and you appear to have no qualms about doing it.



I asked several times for copies of records... declined. I was later told it would have to go past their "legal committee" which includes my son's lawyer who is supposed to be and claimed to be independent of the AARC program. How independent is he if he's on the program's "Legal committee"????

So no records. My son also requested his records while he was still in the program and he was told they had been destroyed.

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Hazelden was contacted. THEY said they "reviewed data provided by AARC" They did not. I repeat... they DID NOT conduct the study.

All parents thinking about placing their child in the AARC program are encouraged to contact me regarding my family's experience with the AARC program.

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Re: Bottom Line Scam
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2009, 02:00:23 PM »
I would be curious to know how many of AARC's batch of murderers were in the cohort used in AARC's study.  Bates and Evans seem to be about the right age.  Woods is a little young.  How about the jail deaths, Newson and Mazur?  Were they in the group graduating during the period from which the sample group was taken?  How about Mitch Tilden?
Odd that none of the news articles related to the criminal activities of these AARC grads ever made it into the media section on AARC's website.  It would seem that since there are over half a dozen such stories, they would be more representative of the graduates than the ones currently displayed on AARC's website.
I for one, am not suggesting a correlation between time in AARC and the behavior of graduates afterward.  AARC on the other hand has relied on client-testimonials to sell the program for years.  
Since the number of murderers leaving AARC, is small, under ten to my knowledge, it's difficult to get an accurate statistical picture of the level of monstrous criminality among grads.  As the total population of former clients is around 500, and so many of the families remain plugged right into AARC, it should be reasonably simple to find out how many have remained abstinent since leaving AARC, how many have committed serious crimes, how many are dead, and how many have moved from alcohol and marijuana use up to crack, methamphetamine and opiate use.  It should also be very easy to find experts from any one of the many fine Canadian schools not affiliated with AARC or it's board in any way to perform such a study.  Perhaps McGill, Simon Fraser, University of Toronto or Queen's.  I've always been puzzled as to why AARC has depended so much on the Union Institute and other obscure schools to provide endorsements and degrees to it's staff.  Who could say?

Onward AARColyte soldiers!  Cry havoc and let slip the thirteenth steppers!
« Last Edit: December 31, 1969, 07:00:00 PM by Guest »
"AARC will go on serving youth and families as long as it will be needed, if it keeps open to God for inspiration" Dr. F. Dean Vause Executive Director


MR. NELSON: Mr. Speaker, AADAC has been involved with
assistance in developing the program of the Alberta Adolescent
Recovery Centre since its inception originally as Kids of the
Canadian West."
Alberta Hansard, March 24, 1992