Lon's take on TROUBLED TEEN vs. STRUGGLING TEEN

[Anonymous]

School and camping trips isn't considered incarceration. Lon is talking about the good programs, not the chosen few held up as example by you fine folks.  

Actually, he very much is referring to the programs discussed here.

He sent his daughter to the same program as I did:

In her words:

http://www.strugglingteens.com/archives ... /oe05.html

The experience of others:

http://newstandardnews.net/content/index.cfm/items/2619
Testimony - Kerry Keenan

http://cafety.youthrights.org/wiki/inde ... rry_Keenan


Testimony - Aileen Chu

http://cafety.youthrights.org/wiki/inde ... Aileen_Chu


Video Testimony - Kathryn Whitehead

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUtUiDDMUl4


And Lon worked for CEDU, learn more about it here:

http://cafety.org/index.php?option=com_ ... 5&Itemid=2


Lon is as knee deep in the dehumanizing tx of youth as they come...

[AuntieEm2]

In 2007-2008, the Government Accountability Office at the request of Congress conducted a foresic investigation and published documentation of widespread reports of abuse, maltreatment, neglect and death of children--as well as deceptive marketing practices aimed at parents--in programs of all types and sizes across the country. More than 1,600 cases in 2006 alone.

This is not about an isolated few bad programs. It is about a documented pattern of child isolation and abuse for money, and deceptive fear-mongering and agressive selling to parents. Educational consultants like Woodbury take money (kickbacks) to refer children to these programs.

Auntie Em

Hearing 1: http://http://edlabor.house.gov/hearings/fc101007.shtml
Hearing 2: http://http://edlabor.house.gov/hearings/fc-2008-04-24.shtml
GAO Report 1: http://http://edlabor.house.gov/testimony/101007GregoryKutzTestimony.pdf
GAO Report 2: http://http://edlabor.house.gov/testimony/2008-04-24-GregKutz.pdf
GAO Report 3: http://http://edlabor.house.gov/testimony/2008-04-24-KayBrown.pdf
Parent testimony 1: http://http://edlabor.house.gov/testimony/101007CynthiaHarveyTestimony.pdf
Parent testimony 2: http://http://edlabor.house.gov/testimony/101007BobBaconTestimony.pdf
Parent testimony 3: http://http://edlabor.house.gov/testimony/101007PaulLewisTestimony.pdf

[psy]

School and camping trips isn't considered incarceration. Lon is talking about the good programs, not the chosen few held up as example by you fine folks.  

Okey dokey.  Mention a "good" one".

[Anonymous]

School and camping trips isn't considered incarceration. Lon is talking about the good programs, not the chosen few held up as example by you fine folks.  

Okey dokey.  Mention a "good" one".

I know of several... but if you think I'm going to announce them here so you can harass the employees by posting their myspaces and hack their website,  think again!! I know better than that and what you people are like. you are all predatory and only interested in defaming anyone trying to help kids. what have you done to help kids? nothing!!!!

[psy]

School and camping trips isn't considered incarceration. Lon is talking about the good programs, not the chosen few held up as example by you fine folks.  

Okey dokey.  Mention a "good" one".

I know of several... bla bla bla... shit excuses ... bla bla bla ...

That's what I thought.

[Anonymous]

Trolly troll is troll.

Lon's pure 1984, and growing more desperate and more demented every day.

[Anonymous]

But at least Lon isn't totally obsessed with what you post here like you are with him. I can see you losers refreshing Lon's website just waiting for your chance to quote him and tell fornits how much you disagree with him. Wow! you all are such losers it's just plain sad! If I was Lon I would just laugh at you because you can't do anything to stop him other than complain on your little website here that nobody reads!
 :beat:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: If every program was bad then why are there still thousands of them in business?? Thats right you losers can only point out a few programs most of which are closed. Where are the kids who were abused? All I see on fornits is a handful of people who were in programs years and decades ago who never got over hating their parents. you weren't abused, but trying to create a forum here where you losers can convince each other you are right. That's why there is only like ten posters here! according to you all every kid in the world has been abused.

[Anonymous]

But at least Lon isn't totally obsessed with what you post here like you are with him. I can see you losers refreshing Lon's website just waiting for your chance to quote him and tell fornits how much you disagree with him. Wow! you all are such losers it's just plain sad! If I was Lon I would just laugh at you because you can't do anything to stop him other than complain on your little website here that nobody reads!
 :beat:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao: If every program was bad then why are there still thousands of them in business?? Thats right you losers can only point out a few programs most of which are closed. Where are the kids who were abused? All I see on fornits is a handful of people who were in programs years and decades ago who never got over hating their parents. you weren't abused, but trying to create a forum here where you losers can convince each other you are right. That's why there is only like ten posters here! according to you all every kid in the world has been abused.

Oh, hell yes I wait for Lon's latest musings.  He gives us so much without intending to.  Lon's postings are like Jan Moss at the GAO hearing, only we get fresh idiocy occasionally.  The LULZ are sweet.  Lon provides us with the best ammo against the TTI, I love the guy.

[try another castle]

The mental state of the teen isn't an issue, anyway. It's the financial state of the parents.

Has any program admissions salesman actually rejected a potential detainee based on whether they were "appropriate for their program?" And I mean rejected, not recommended the kid to a sister school within the same franchise.


Someone should ask Lon that. He used to be admissions.

[FemanonFatal2.0]

All I see on fornits is a handful of people who were in programs years and decades ago who never got over hating their parents. you weren't abused, but trying to create a forum here where you losers can convince each other you are right.

Now what is your reasoning for discrediting victims of abuse? Do you figure since you feel people on Fornits misrepresented Lon whoeverthehell that we are automatically lying about everything that we stand for? or are you just a true believer in the corrective healing of good ol "tough love"?

I think it speaks volumes about program supporters when you are compelled to post that immature, hostile and disgraceful shit on our forum. Really only paints your true colors for all to see and gives people a first hand look at the exact principals Lon Woodbury is passing on to you and the rest of your cult.

I'm sure he would be so proud of you.

[Anonymous]

You people really live for this shit dont ya? I just want to know, when you call yourself a "survivor" can you keep from laughing? Maybe you have yourself convinced but when you tell people you are a "survivor" of a place most teens would love to go to you will get laughed at. thats why you come on fornits , to reinforce your ideas which dont hold up unless shouted again and again in your conspiratorial echo chamber. none of you will accomplish anything and in ten years programs will still exist andn everybody will be better because of it. maybe by then you can form a AA-like support group for "survivors" and then complete your circle of hypocricy, much to the delight of anybody with a sense of humor and not blinded by your own propoganda. please. not everybody buys into your emotionally charged bullshit that is almost all lies. you mix in a small portion of truth and expect people to believe you. well i dont. and neither do most people. but keep it up and keep trying to convince each other you are right, because its so funny to come here and read it!  :deal:

[Anonymous]

You people really live for this shit dont ya? I just want to know, when you call yourself a "survivor" can you keep from laughing? Maybe you have yourself convinced but when you tell people you are a "survivor" of a place most teens would love to go to you will get laughed at. thats why you come on fornits , to reinforce your ideas which dont hold up unless shouted again and again in your conspiratorial echo chamber. none of you will accomplish anything and in ten years programs will still exist andn everybody will be better because of it. maybe by then you can form a AA-like support group for "survivors" and then complete your circle of hypocricy, much to the delight of anybody with a sense of humor and not blinded by your own propoganda. please. not everybody buys into your emotionally charged bullshit that is almost all lies. you mix in a small portion of truth and expect people to believe you. well i dont. and neither do most people. but keep it up and keep trying to convince each other you are right, because its so funny to come here and read it!  :deal:

Oh, lord, please dont them start on about AA...

[try another castle]

because its so funny to come here and read it!

Really? You don't sound like you are having very much fun. I hope that's not the case, though, because it would be a shame if you were just pretending to be happy for my sake.


There are actually some very funny things that are on TV that are much much funnier than this forum. Perhaps you should check out some of that fine programming? It's nice, because you don't have to write or anything.

[FemanonFatal2.0]

not everybody buys into your emotionally charged bullshit that is almost all lies. you mix in a small portion of truth and expect people to believe you. well i dont. and neither do most people.

I haven't met even one person who questioned the validity of my story... those who care enough to read it or talk to me about it. I have a feeling you have never bothered reading a personal experience. I don't buy into your facade, "based on results" its evident that your only intention for revisiting this forum is to make your "side of the fence" look like insensitive, immature, conservative nut-jobs. and for that I must thank you, You make us look good...lol

[Anonymous]

not everybody buys into your emotionally charged bullshit that is almost all lies. you mix in a small portion of truth and expect people to believe you. well i dont. and neither do most people.

I haven't met even one person who questioned the validity of my story... those who care enough to read it or talk to me about it. I have a feeling you have never bothered reading a personal experience. I don't buy into your facade, "based on results" its evident that your only intention for revisiting this forum is to make your "side of the fence" look like insensitive, immature, conservative nut-jobs. and for that I must thank you, You make us look good...lol

I have to question the validity of your story. The first clue is in your own language. The word "story" suggests it's fiction, or at the very least contrived in a way to convince people programs are all bad. If you had said nobody questioned my "experience", or "testimony" it would of seemed more honest. Nobody here is talking politics so not sure what "conservative nut-job" has to do with anything, but you just alienated half of your audience showing your bias towards one political party.