FOX Crying about PFC

[Anonymous]

That incorporation status is also pending, btw, just in case people wanted to know. And, MCDH seems to not have a record of an application by this entity. Or, at least unless the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing at MCDH, that is, nobody has "applied for licensing", blah blah blah... Besides, the announcement reads substance abuse license. Does that mean they will be licensed to abuse substances?  :rofl:

[Anonymous]

The IRS site says, after searching for changes recovery center:

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[psy]

So is this going to be like the final days of kids when parents tried to recreate the program in their own homes...  or what's going on. Has anybody gotten through to "Changes Recovery Center" yet to ask those questions?

[Anonymous]

Hmm, very good Ursus.  

According to an "official" source, this LEVEL THREE and above activity at the PFC MI facility would still be a licensed activity since, at this particular moment in time, it is considered to be the "outpatient" portion of the program and the PFC license and program closure paperwork has not yet been received by MCDH. Therefore any more LEVEL TWO or LEVEL ONE's either went to Indy or left the program. PFC is essentially running on 3 cylinders instead of 5, or at least trying to. But how can you start someone at LEVEL THREE in a STRAIGHT INC based modality? This will be very interesting to see.

Why does PFC claim to have closed, like in the news reports and told MCDH that they were closing, but then act in this manner? Something is not adding up at all. The in house teacher there PFC, Tom Gratch, was apparently not certified as such and apparently some credits don't count somehow in the school system outside of PFC. HMMM!!!

They will probably do what they did when PFC and KHK merged, have kids start out at one facility that is licensed for all levels (one and two).  Then have them transferred to another facility (levels three, four, five).  This way kids can get good and brainwashed in-house so when they transfer to the other facility for upper phases, they can all keep each other in line.  They shuttled kids back and forth with the facilities closing, I am sure they can continue it to make the model work.  

I wonder how that OUTpatient part will hold up.

They mean host homes.  AARC, for example tries to claim it's outpatient as did it's predecessor, Kids.

Yep.  'Zactly what I'm talkin' 'bout.

KHK was supposedly "outpatient" also because of host homes.  That part of the model did not change with PFC.  So I guess following that logic, the MI facility could keep up all operations, level one through five and still be considered "outpatient."  Just a thought.

[wdtony]

Registrant mentioned on the "Changes" website registration:

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/297/4a6

And website:

http://www.vowire.com/

And then I ran across these: Nothing lifts the spirits like a couple death notice memorials suggesting giving money to Pathway:

BARRETT
 In lieu of flowers family suggests Memorials
to Pathway Family Center, 23100 Providence Dr., Southfield,
Michigan 48075 or Gesu Church.

http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ances ... 2-2003.txt

MILLER
Memorial contributions to the "Maureen Miller Scholarship for
Children with Substance Abuse Challenges", The Pathway Family Center, 23100
Providence Dr., Suite 300, Southfield, MI 48075.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:QU4 ... cd=5&gl=us

[Anonymous]

Registrant mentioned on the "Changes" website registration:

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/0/297/4a6

And website:

http://www.vowire.com/

And then I ran across these: Nothing lifts the spirits like a couple death notice memorials suggesting giving money to Pathway:

BARRETT
 In lieu of flowers family suggests Memorials
to Pathway Family Center, 23100 Providence Dr., Southfield,
Michigan 48075 or Gesu Church.

http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ances ... 2-2003.txt

MILLER
Memorial contributions to the "Maureen Miller Scholarship for
Children with Substance Abuse Challenges", The Pathway Family Center, 23100
Providence Dr., Suite 300, Southfield, MI 48075.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:QU4 ... cd=5&gl=us

So are these two suicides or od.s and were they former pathway prisoners?

[wdtony]

No, just older people who died and believed in PFC.

[Ursus]

Interesting that both Greg Brewer and Jeffrey Spilman went to the University of Michigan. Big place, may not mean anything; just thought I'd mention it. Incidentally, Jeffrey Spilman used to live in Indianapolis, IN at some point in the recent traceable past. @Changling: Just how exactly did his presence figure in the Changes Recovery Center incorporation papers?

Greg Brewer has the following contact info on his Vowire site:

Address
     
5922 Felske Dr
Brighton, MI 48116
           
24100 Southfield Rd, Suite 320
Southfield, MI 48075

Phone    (810) 229-2400         
Fax    (810) 229-7791[/list]

Hmm. Weren't those the exact same phone and fax numbers listed for Changes Recovery Center's domain registration info? Why is Vowire operating as a contact front for CRC?

[Ursus]

Never mind... Went back and checked more carefully. Vowire is the hoster:

Registrant Organization:Vowire LLC
Registrant Street1:5922 Felske Dr
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Brighton
Registrant State/Province:MI
Registrant Postal Code:48116

[Anonymous]

I had the same mix-up. Do you think it might help to let Vowire know what kind of an organization they are hosting? I mean seriously, not to call them and give them a hard time about it, but send them a letter, a bunch of papers that show the history of Straight closing down and reopening, survivor stories, a copy of the petition, maybe the apology by Richard Mullinax. Ask them to please not help these people anymore. It's just a thought.

[psy]

I had the same mix-up. Do you think it might help to let Vowire know what kind of an organization they are hosting? I mean seriously, not to call them and give them a hard time about it, but send them a letter, a bunch of papers that show the history of Straight closing down and reopening, survivor stories, a copy of the petition, maybe the apology by Richard Mullinax. Ask them to please not help these people anymore. It's just a thought.

No that will not do any good, nor should it.  Denying them free speech is not the answer.  IF we complain about them trying to shut Fornits down time and time again we shouldn't be doing the same thing.

What interests me is that the site was registered with privacy enabled...  so nobody really knows at this point who is owning that place, if in fact it is open.

[Anonymous]

I had the same mix-up. Do you think it might help to let Vowire know what kind of an organization they are hosting? I mean seriously, not to call them and give them a hard time about it, but send them a letter, a bunch of papers that show the history of Straight closing down and reopening, survivor stories, a copy of the petition, maybe the apology by Richard Mullinax. Ask them to please not help these people anymore. It's just a thought.

No that will not do any good, nor should it.  Denying them free speech is not the answer.  IF we complain about them trying to shut Fornits down time and time again we shouldn't be doing the same thing.

What interests me is that the site was registered with privacy enabled...  so nobody really knows at this point who is owning that place, if in fact it is open.

You do not know that it will not do any good.

It is not denying Straight free speech, it is denying Straight the means to run a child abuse business. If there were a child abuse cult in my community, and someone else in my community was hosting their website, surely people would want the website hoster to know what was going on and ask them to stop providing that service for child abusers. Anyone who was leasing the child abuse cult the space in which to abuse children should also know or be informed about it. If I had a printing business and Straight Incorporated walked in and wanted brochures and stuff, I would tell them to take a hike.

[psy]

If I had a printing business and Straight Incorporated walked in and wanted brochures and stuff, I would tell them to take a hike.

You would?  I would probably take the time to "accidentally" replace a few digits in their phone numbers... lol.  I'd jerk them around until they *went* somewhere else... lol.  It's a good thing I don't own a printing business.

All i'm saying is it's a big hypocritical is all...  Being on the receiving end of such website antics far too many times.  Plus...  what exactly would you tell them?  It's a "new" treatment facility, right?

[Anonymous]

I had the same mix-up. Do you think it might help to let Vowire know what kind of an organization they are hosting? I mean seriously, not to call them and give them a hard time about it, but send them a letter, a bunch of papers that show the history of Straight closing down and reopening, survivor stories, a copy of the petition, maybe the apology by Richard Mullinax. Ask them to please not help these people anymore. It's just a thought.

No that will not do any good, nor should it.  Denying them free speech is not the answer.  IF we complain about them trying to shut Fornits down time and time again we shouldn't be doing the same thing.

What interests me is that the site was registered with privacy enabled...  so nobody really knows at this point who is owning that place, if in fact it is open.

You do not know that it will not do any good.

It is not denying Straight free speech, it is denying Straight the means to run a child abuse business. If there were a child abuse cult in my community, and someone else in my community was hosting their website, surely people would want the website hoster to know what was going on and ask them to stop providing that service for child abusers. Anyone who was leasing the child abuse cult the space in which to abuse children should also know or be informed about it. If I had a printing business and Straight Incorporated walked in and wanted brochures and stuff, I would tell them to take a hike.

 exposing kid killers   and stopping abuse is not screwing free speech. Is shutting down child porn site ruining free speech? Nope. GO for it. I find injecting "free speech" concerns into this concern offensive.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, we picketed the Vegas in Otown fundraiser because they sponsored SAFE inc. back in 2003. The next year, SAFE was not welcome there, and well, the next year, they closed,  :roflmao:

I see no problem exposing these people to whoever is aiding their ability to generate and maintain a client base.


It would be best, however, to 100% confirm all the details about this new program though prior to dropping the info on the site folks, but whatever, whenever, could be quite effective.

So far, it's CRC, it's a MI non-profit pending corporation that has yet to file any formal substance abuse licensing paperwork with MDCH. Anything else? Where is this being operated? At the PFC MI site? Level 3 and above? They surely have yet to be recognized by the IRS as a non-profit.