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« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2003, 03:10:00 PM »
Fear is a choice.  Sometimes conscious, sometimes an internal response to danger, but it's still a choice.
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« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2003, 04:43:00 PM »
FUCK THE PROGRAM AND FUCK WWASP!!! FUCK YOU MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!  YOU GUYS SHOULD DIE IN HELL FUCKING BITCHES!!!  FUCK YOU!!!!
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« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2003, 09:50:00 PM »
The Anon Guru wrote:
Fear is a choice. Sometimes conscious, sometimes an internal response to danger, but it's still a choice.

Tell the little girl who trembles in terror as her mother rages toward her that fear is a choice. Or the little boy whose father has just slipped into his room to have his way with him. Or the children frozen to the sofa waiting for their beatings from dad for the trouble they caused mom, that fear is a choice.
Tell the teen who was handed over to complete strangers and isolated from the world that fear is a choice. Tell the teen who hasn't spoken to anyone they love for months on end, that fear is a choice, as their arm is being twisted to a breaking point, or a 300# counselor is lying on their back as they draw their last breath, or they're sitting in the blazing sun in Utah fading into unconsciousness, or they're dying of a perforated ulcer while being told they are faking their symptoms. I'm sure they would appreciate your one-liner solution to the world's problems.

It takes a hell of alot of time and reevaluation to get over early traumas, before one can sleep through a bump in the night, before one can remember that anger expressed by another will not lead to violence, before one can consciously choose to react differently. The key being consciously.

Pop-psych or new age one-liners do not magically dispell the atrocities from one's memory or one's future reactions to similar situations... witnessed, by the thousands of parents who have been through the seminars and STILL Choose to buy the Fear the Teen Help Industry is $elling.
Apparently they are not taking to heart the advice of the programmer.

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« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2003, 11:14:00 PM »
We all have different reactions to different things.  When I was raped as a child I don't call what I felt as fear, but shock in a surreal way.  What came after it was fear and anger, in a child's way.  Shock was my brain's response and don't feel it was a choice.  The fear and anger were.  That's my view.  It has nothing to do with new age or brainwashing. I respect your view.
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« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2003, 11:26:00 PM »
Just a thought:
Is it possible that the fear you felt might have preceeded or precipitated you going into "shock"? I don't consider shock to be a first response. Could be. But my experience is that I must first have a feeling strong enough to induce shock. And that, while still in fear, the anger you later felt might have been your defense mechanism kicking in?
As far as shock not being a choice, I agree. In that moment, as a child, I don't believe we are  consciously choosing what to feel. I think shock is a survival mechanism, instinctual, to protect us from feelings, such as fear or physical pain, that feel more intense than we can consciously endure.
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