Horse Gone, Closing Barn Door

[TheWho]

.... it's funding from charities and government grants.

Exactly

it has no license for it's treatment centre. The only license it has is as a charity.

Why should they apply for a license that they don’t need?
 

Why does AARC in fact charge anything?

The funding from the government and charities do not cover all their costs

They received $1 200 000 twenty years ago. That should have gone a long way to paying for the old warehouse on Forge Rd. So again, since AARC employs the three amateur stooges and amateur peer counselors to oversee the groups, where does all that money go? There are of course, no doctors on staff, nor psychologists. Just a few consultants, such as Dr. GoldenarmStanhopeless and Pete Choda. So again, one is left asking where does all the money go? One clue may be the number of lawyers AARC regularly offers up as a threat against those who disagree with their $50 000 AA program and the amateur jailing system of Newcomers that accompanies it.

Hospital costs run about $2,000 a day.
Residential treatment averages  $230 - $260 per day.
AARC averages $136 per day.
If I were to start looking any place it would be at the hospital costs and where all that money goes.  AARC is the most efficient of the 3 and has done a good job keeping its costs down.  You mentioned at the top of the page that they are listing their professionals on their web page and your report showed an 85 % recovery rate after 4 years.  So AARC delvers more for the lowest cost.

[ajax13]

It is counterintuitive to compare time in All About Receiving Cash to a hospital stay.  Hospitals provide treatment from medical professionals in a setting that is the result of many years of research and development by medical pracitioners and academics.  AARC is a renamed cult with a program borrowed from Synanon.  The program at Synanon was devised by a former stand-up comedian.  As stated previously, AARC is a $50 000 forced entry into AA.  Why then, is AARC not free, as is AA?

[TheWho]

It is counterintuitive to compare time in All About Receiving Cash to a hospital stay.  Hospitals provide treatment from medical professionals in a setting that is the result of many years of research and development by medical pracitioners and academics.  AARC is a renamed cult with a program borrowed from Synanon.  The program at Synanon was devised by a former stand-up comedian.  As stated previously, AARC is a $50 000 forced entry into AA.  Why then, is AARC not free, as is AA?

Because people are willing to pay for the treatment.  If AA could show an 85 - 90% recovery rate after 4 years they would have their hand out too.  If AARC can get 50,000 or 100,000 for their work why shouldnt they if people are willing to pay?

[ajax13]

People have never been willing to pay AARC.  AARC has been soliciting funds via MLAs since it's inception.  AARC exists on government slush and charity money.  After AARC's initial rip-off of $1 200 000 when it was still called Kids of the Canadian West, AARC was cut off from the government teat.  Hacks such as Denis Herard, Diane Mirosh, Ron Stevens and Paddy Meade have since reversed that trend, turning on the government money taps with no accountability.  Again, why is AARC not free since it simply a coerced AA program?

[TheWho]

It is counterintuitive to compare time in All About Receiving Cash to a hospital stay.  Hospitals provide treatment from medical professionals in a setting that is the result of many years of research and development by medical pracitioners and academics.  AARC is a renamed cult with a program borrowed from Synanon.  The program at Synanon was devised by a former stand-up comedian.  As stated previously, AARC is a $50 000 forced entry into AA.  Why then, is AARC not free, as is AA?

Because people are willing to pay for the treatment.  If AA could show an 85 - 90% recovery rate after 4 years they would have their hand out too.  If AARC can get 50,000 or 100,000 for their work why shouldnt they if people are willing to pay?

I see your point but I think it goes beyond just willing to pay.  There needs to be some type of success or results.  If AA charged $20 for each meeting I would doubt they would have many attend.  This is an interesting point, if there are no results then no one is going to pay for it.  I never thought of it that way before.  I havent seen AA publish any success rates.  Does anyone have anything from them?

[TheWho]

I think you may be missing the point.  Government agencies and charities are not going to give money to anyone without seeing some type of effectiveness.  AA is free because at best they can only show a 5% success rate.  A 5% success rate is nothing more than the rate of spontaneous remission in alcoholics and drug addicts.  AARC is able to show an 85 – 90% success rate.  It goes beyond just a willingness to pay.  It helps to legitimate AARC’s model by showing they receive government support and charity donations.

[Froderik]

The enforced societal model is flawed; sex and drugs are not evil, period.

[TheWho]

I never realized AARC was this successful.  I thought they were more like an AA , who charged a lot of money.  So the government lends support to them also?  The government subsidize is probably what mainly keeps their costs so low.

[ajax13]

As the AARC staff is composed of peer counselors, who are complete amateurs, and a clinical staff composed of three unlicensed former peer counselors, the money does not go to pay a qualified staff.  Where does the money go?

[TheWho]

As the AARC staff is composed of peer counselors, who are complete amateurs, and a clinical staff composed of three unlicensed former peer counselors, the money does not go to pay a qualified staff.  Where does the money go?

Beer parties!!  trips to the islands!!  Who cares?  Where does anyones money go?  Where does $2,000 a day that hospitals charge go to?  aspirin?

[ajax13]

I may be wrong, but I suspect that the donors and the Government agencies giving millions of dollars to AARC might care where the money given to AARC goes.  Hospitals are equipped with expensive medical equipment, and use medical supplies.  Additionally they pay a staff composed of nurses and doctors.  That's where the money goes in a hospital.  Any AARColytes care to try to explain where the money that pours into AARC ends up?

[TheWho]

I may be wrong, but I suspect that the donors and the Government agencies giving millions of dollars to AARC might care where the money given to AARC goes.  Hospitals are equipped with expensive medical equipment, and use medical supplies.  Additionally they pay a staff composed of nurses and doctors.  That's where the money goes in a hospital.  Any AARColytes care to try to explain where the money that pours into AARC ends up?

Exactly,  Govwenment agencies and charaties are not going to give money away without knowing where it is going.  All the equipment that hospitals have add to the 2,000 a day.  AARC can accomplish a 85-90% success rate on a fraction of the cost.  I believe that is why they are attractive to government and charaties

[ajax13]

AARC was never attractive to the government.  Dinning arranged for the initial $600 000 for AARC when it was still called Kids of the Canadian West, but once word got out that it was really just a cult with no basis in established scientific medical theory, the government funds were cut off.  AARC began to receive money in earnest from the government after Paddy Meade took over at AADAC.  There was of course no way for Health and Wellness to directly fund a religious institution posing as a treatment centre, so the money was funnelled from H and W to AADAC and delivered to AARC in slush piles, rather than as payment for treatment services, since there are no such services provided at AARC.  
AARC has had to repeatedly lie about their regimen, claiming that it is clinically proven, when in fact, it is completely disproven.  The ridiculously pseudo-scientific practise of dismantling the identity of AARC victims and replacing it with the identity of the addict has been abandoned all across North America, with the exception of the Straight-descended rip-offs like AARC.
In order to secure any monies, the Wiz has lied for years and years, claiming to be a psychologist when he is in fact a phys ed teacher and guidance counselor.  In order to appeal to any source of funding AARC has had to resort to propagating a body of lies, beginning with denial of the fact that AARC is simply Kids with a new name.  Add to that the Executive Director's lie about being a mental health professional.  Couple that with the lie that AARC uses a clinically proven and tested treatment method, and add in the zealotry of parents who sold out their kids, choosing instead to exist in a permanent state of cognitive disonnance, and you have the recipe for the AARC fraud machine.

[TheWho]

The only catch is that fraud would have to come off the table.  Organizations which donate large sums of money keep a close eye on the books.  This especially true with government support money.  If  AARC was being kept afloat thru private funding I would be a little weary myself, but the fact that several organizations are supporting it with donor money and public tax money lends a great deal to their credibility.
You would have to go a long way to prove fraud and then still have their public service money and private donors not pull out.  I believe someone has been feeding you some falsehoods my friend.
I am sure they are not squeeky clean, but they are far from fraudulent or the money would dry up, that simple.

[ajax13]

AARC's money will dry up, as did it's parent organization Kids, once the rip-off becomes public.  The fact that they haven't been caught is not a particularly logical reason to deny the entirely fraudulent nature of the organization.  They lied to get money, the lies have not been publicly proven, they still get money.  In the future, the fraudulent nature of the organization will be public knowledge, ergo no more money.  Here's a fairly simple explanation.
They got some money and got caught trying to sell a religious cult as a treatment program, so they lost their supply of govenrnment money.
They lied about what they do, changed their name, and allowed the cult Leader to perpetuate lies about who he was.  This allowed them to turn on the supply of charitable donations and maintain a supply of client user fees as well.
Using a particularly ambitious bureaucratic hack, Paddy Meade, who was able to parlay her control of AADAC money into career advancement, AARC gained access to that AADAC money.  The average tax-payer or charitable donor has no idea that AARC is simply a renamed cult brought to Canada by Dinning, Dookie and Dean-o.  It has been sold, falsely, as a scientifically based treatment program.  As stated previously, AARC has used a wide array of lies to get access to money by gaining access to the few individuals who control the pursetrings.  This includes Paddy Meade, Jim Dinning, Norm Haines, and Dr. Dookie.
Once the true nature of AARC becomes public knowledge, that will spell the end for AARC's rampant theft of charitable and tax-payer generated funding.  
At AARC, everything's legal as long as you don't get caught.