Author Topic: Program taunts/threatens survivors (Read 3541 times)

Anonymous · « **Reply #15 on:** August 23, 2008, 12:31:00 PM »

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Well golly,they also seem to have forgotten to mention that they are :BASED ON THE STRAIGHT MODEL.

If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck...

IndianaDad · « **Reply #16 on:** September 09, 2008, 02:55:24 PM »

Sue,

I just joined this group today. I am a div dad, and my son has been committed to the PFC in Indy by my ex wife. I am gathering information about PFC and the treatment modality, (which seems to be non existant, except for the "straight" left over stuff. I would like to get to know more about Pathway, and am not just considering a lawsuit, but have been in contact with 3 attys for this specific purpose.

IndianaDad

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Has anyone tried to sue pathway?

Has anyone recently tried to sue Pathways or Kids Helping Kids recently? How would they be brought on? Child abuse? Illegal foster homes? What has been tried? I'm trying to get as much information regarding lawsuits and these programs as I can. I am reading a lot of lets get a lawsuit posts, but I am curious how many lawsuits there have actually been. Especially with regards to KHK/PFC. Thanks for any information!!

Anonymous · « **Reply #17 on:** September 09, 2008, 03:27:44 PM »

Indiana Dad, what about the availability of information seems to be missing? It's all out there in plain view on the internet. The straight inc modality is what it is, pfc did not 'change' it to anything different. The only difference in this regard is the name of the business itself.

Corporate Lineage tied to STRAIGHT, INC.

Special Exceptions from licensing agencies

Phases

Host Homes

Altered 12 step credo

Rational Self Analysis

Mind Control/Though Reform Tactics

Heavy government support (mainly Republicans but some Democrats too)

Fraudulent Marketing Practices

etc etc

email me if you wish, metalgod8@yahoo.com

RG

Anonymous · « **Reply #18 on:** September 09, 2008, 03:29:48 PM »

someone stole the t in Thought Reform, sorry...

Anonymous · « **Reply #19 on:** September 12, 2008, 12:09:25 AM »

Quote from: "The Critic"

Some have suggested that Pathway take legal action against these individuals. In this electronic age, however, it is unclear whether we could effectively prevent the dissemination of this information. We also understand that legal action can be very expensive. We prefer to dedicate our resources to the care of our patients. The following information provides additional information regarding our program and success rates.

Wow, LMAO. I bet an attorney told them they cant sue because they dont have a legal leg to stand on. We are protected by the first amendment and they know it.

Froderik · « **Reply #20 on:** September 12, 2008, 11:47:14 AM »

It's almost absurd how they think they will continue to evade justice somehow.

Anonymous · « **Reply #21 on:** September 12, 2008, 04:30:54 PM »

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It's almost absurd how they think they will continue to evade justice somehow.

It's not absurd of them to think that at all. Miller Newton has done no jail time for his crimes, hell, it was his insurance carrier that paid out all the civil claims against him. The Semblers have done no jail time for their part in contaminating the world with Straight and Straightlike facilities. These people have never been held accountable for their crimes. What makes you think the people that run PFC, AARC, or any other Str8-derived teen torture mindfuck camps are going to actually do any time for the child abuse they commit on a daily basis?
Sure, it may be harder for Virgil to get insurance were he to try to open up another KIDS or Str8, but he's too busy touching his parishoners' junk to try his hand at being a rehab guru---he'll leave that to some other sadistic, narcissistic fuck who thinks "Gone Way Down" and Str8, Inc. were the be-all, end-all final words on drug treatment. Until the fucks that run these places do jail time for their criminal antics, they will, indeed, have been able to "evade justice". I'm not trying to encourage any program survivor to flip out and go on a Virgil-maiming or killing spree, but I would definitely understand how some deranged victim of one of these programs, acting out of frustration that the perpetrators of these crimes (and the fact that their criminal enterprises continue to crop up like so many weeds) never seem to suffer incarceration for the abuse they shovel out on a daily basis(under the guise of 'treatment' or 'caring') would flip out and decide to hand out their own brand of vigilante justice. Personally, I would never be able to find a program survivor guilty of a crime were they to take matters (and, say, Virgil Miller Newton's cum-guzzling, lie-spewing throat) into their own hands, and mete out the justice that so far has been left undone by our courts, but there are those, who are far more likely to sit on some hypothetical jury that would. Face it--these programs, and those that ran/run them, have gotten away with (sometimes literally) murder. Shutting them down is fine, but until the perpetrators themselves suffer some kind of consequences for their crimes, they will just do as Str8 did and change the name of the corporate entity. Another equally abusively criminal program will (7 or 12) step in and replace them, often in the same location with the same staff. Until an example is made of the criminal, child-abusing shitheads that actually profit from and/or satisfy their insane needs for power by running these places nothing will change.

Anonymous · « **Reply #22 on:** September 12, 2008, 08:00:38 PM »

From all the complaints, reports and allegations regarding the abuses, crimes, improprieties etc etc lodged with the licensing agencies against the program thus far over the last few years, the states in which these programs operate consider the treatment to be just fine. Unless a current client of one of these places cops out and immediately files charges... like you said, nothing will happen to those people who perpetrate and profit from this activity. It is getting harder for them to convince the public that they are the experts so over time, it is conceivable that kids will see this information before their parents place them and then they'll know what to do. Something on the order of hittin up the schools and churches with some flyers or something like that, preventative medicine so to speak.

T

Anonymous · « **Reply #23 on:** September 27, 2008, 10:20:06 AM »

What I don't understand is how these people can threaten to sue or 'take legal action' against their victims. Understand meaning like comprehend, you know, like fathom or like believe or like well, you get the picture, I hope. Whatever they decide to do, I say bring it on sooner than later. The evidence of abuse and FRAUD just keeps piling up and up the longer they stay open. I envision the proceeding starting like this:
"your Honor, these people who are attacking us were systematically abused/tortured and thought reformed by our mentors and staff, while their parents were deliberately and psychologically manipulated into believing that we were charging them a good amount of money for a great cause. At no point, your Honor, did we ever do anything to deserve these incessant attacks by these self-proclaimed 'Survivors' "

LOL

Ok, yeah, that should go over like a lead balloon

TC

IndianaDad · « **Reply #24 on:** September 27, 2008, 01:45:05 PM »

Folks,

As a Father of a son who was committed to PFC without my consent or agreement, I have several thoughts regarding the PFC operation: safety and well being of my Son;the torture and abuse that he is suffering; the criminal nature of the isolation that he is enduring; failure of the treatment modality, methods and strategy; and so on....

In the case of my Son, he was using and abusing drugs, low level stuff, and had the corresponding teen age behaviour issues that go with that substance abuse, "friend" network, and the rage against the machine mentality. Pathway and the methods as I have found them is not only not working, it has the opposite effect, further driving the kids/young adults into denial, and using submission as the only tool in the toolbox.

I know that my viewpoint and perspective is clouded by my involvement with my Son, so forgive me if I get some of this wrong.

Those of you reading this, please feel free to contact me here regarding legal action, I am just getting started in my legal strategy against PFC, and would appreciate any viewpoints and/or history and am willing to help where I can, even if to just share information.

To those survivors out there, I am sorry for what was done to you. Stay strong, stay in touch with each other, and never ever give up!

Indiana Dad

Froderik · « **Reply #25 on:** September 27, 2008, 02:21:20 PM »

Quote from: "IndianaDad"

Folks,

As a Father of a son who was committed to PFC without my consent or agreement, I have several thoughts regarding the PFC operation: safety and well being of my Son;the torture and abuse that he is suffering; the criminal nature of the isolation that he is enduring; failure of the treatment modality, methods and strategy; and so on....

In the case of my Son, he was using and abusing drugs, low level stuff, and had the corresponding teen age behaviour issues that go with that substance abuse, "friend" network, and the rage against the machine mentality. Pathway and the methods as I have found them is not only not working, it has the opposite effect, further driving the kids/young adults into denial, and using submission as the only tool in the toolbox.

I know that my viewpoint and perspective is clouded by my involvement with my Son, so forgive me if I get some of this wrong.

Whether your perspective is clouded or not (it seems pretty clear to me, for what it's worth; anyway you have a right to a perspective, you're his dad), I believe you have every reason to consider what is going on in that place. PFC is a spin-off of Detroit Straight (that in and of itself would be enough for me, personally.)

Your take on their methods is accurate; coercion and the removal of choice for the kid along with the LGAT style confrontation by unqualified peer staff tends to backfire in a bad way. Ultimately, this abuse masquerading itself as therapy does much to hurt families and kids, to say the least.

Anonymous · « **Reply #26 on:** September 30, 2008, 01:41:15 PM »

Quote from: "IndianaDad"

Folks,

As a Father of a son who was committed to PFC without my consent or agreement, I have several thoughts regarding the PFC operation: safety and well being of my Son;the torture and abuse that he is suffering; the criminal nature of the isolation that he is enduring; failure of the treatment modality, methods and strategy; and so on....

In the case of my Son, he was using and abusing drugs, low level stuff, and had the corresponding teen age behaviour issues that go with that substance abuse, "friend" network, and the rage against the machine mentality. Pathway and the methods as I have found them is not only not working, it has the opposite effect, further driving the kids/young adults into denial, and using submission as the only tool in the toolbox.

I know that my viewpoint and perspective is clouded by my involvement with my Son, so forgive me if I get some of this wrong.

Those of you reading this, please feel free to contact me here regarding legal action, I am just getting started in my legal strategy against PFC, and would appreciate any viewpoints and/or history and am willing to help where I can, even if to just share information.

To those survivors out there, I am sorry for what was done to you. Stay strong, stay in touch with each other, and never ever give up!

Indiana Dad

dear indiana dad,

if your son is still in pathway i think that your only focus should be on getting him out, not suing them. maybe you will get some good advice on this forum but i think there are some better resources for you. i would say get in touch with the international survivors action coalition to see if they have knowledge of how parents have been able to get their child out of a program when the other parent has custody, and if they can direct you to other research and resources, legal, etc. maybe just giving the other parent some good research will help to convince them, hey let's try something else, not something that is coercive thought reform that could really mess him up. otherwise your son will need a legal advocate, and/or help from social child abuse protection agency, if they know about pathways. someone might have reported them locally or to the state already, so call those agencies and find out.

Anonymous · « **Reply #27 on:** November 23, 2008, 07:53:07 PM »

if there are survivors out there why cant they come together for a class action, be it fruad, breach of contract,personal injury suffered, false imptisionment, federal laws protecting civil rights, slander, what else? there is a 2 year statue. if there are people willing to come out, then do it. there is enough info out there to support the illegitimate functions of the operation of these places. more than enough to create a doubt to what they portray in writing

Anonymous · « **Reply #28 on:** December 14, 2008, 03:37:29 PM »

khk and pathway survivors where are you.... you dont have to tell your parents, if you speak up to the right coordinator of "persuit for justice" the indiana father is out there waiting to hear your testimony, thats right your testimony along with the others who are strangers yet endured the same treatment. looks like a pattern to me. even if you feel cured and still resentful speak up, your word counts too. one will confirm the others account, and so on

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