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« on: July 31, 2003, 08:40:00 PM »
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Hi Everybody:

So great to have this board and the info on it!  I?m an educational consultant and it REALLY helps to send parents that have been considering a WWASP school the links and thoughts you all share!  

WWASP doesn't pay educational consultants a fee?so guess what??  I refer parents to OTHER programs that use the same WWASP model that DO pay me the fee.  What I like about this site is you HATE the WWASP program and I have plenty of ?stuff? to send to the parents to steer them away.  I do wrestle with myself on this because WWASP has the best outcome/success, and what I do goes totally against what I learned and know, but I make a living helping parents that were in the same place that I was. Before you get upset with me?I?m not the only one ? just about every other educational consultant and the schools themselves are doing the same thing. The schools are independent, so they aren?t ?under fire.?  The schools I do refer to, though they use the same program model, don?t have the help parents need: support groups, seminars, aftercare or warranty, or even the high success rate?but, so what??  Their tuition is higher, so my fee is higher!!  YIPPEE!!  Parents happen upon this or struggling teens and get all the negative info they need!  Yippee again!!

Get UPSET at me for referring parents to programs ? I don?t care - similar help is better than none. I'm honest enough to admit it!! What you guys are doing is great!!
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« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2003, 12:34:00 PM »
From what i know of most educational consultants, they charge BOTH the parents and get a fee from the school they refer to...in most cases.  They tend to refer to the school that pays the highest fee, whether it's in the best interests of the student/family.  When I was researching some options, PURE referred me to an expensive week long boot camp in Arizona - which was completely NOT what my child needed.  I did much better on my own, thank you very much.  But if you choose to scare parents off that you know would benefit much better by admitting to a wwasp program, shame on you.
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« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2003, 08:20:00 PM »
Uh, if you really think its great to refer parents to this bulletin board to to steer them away from WWASPs schools,  won't they read your post here too?

   Thank you for your post, Mr. Atkin,  your new found candor is refreshing.  We are all pleased that Fornits welcomes messages representing all viewpoints. (As you know, other bulletin boards
have authoritarian policies which forbid "disconfirming viewpoints"  tsk, tsk)
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am an angry, wrathful man,  put here to step on the toes of those who dance around the truth (ex WWASPers may acknowledge the sarcasm)

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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2003, 01:49:00 AM »
Obviously this is not an ed consultant, just a wwaspie with a little sarcasm.

Of course its certainly not a wwasp student, I believe sarcasm leads to the torture room for a few months, doesn't it?
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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2003, 03:39:00 AM »
Can't tell if it's a wwasp person that wrote this, but I do know that ed consultants and even the schools are now capitalizing on the publicity and regularly send it out to parents that are looking at options.  Some even put hard copies in their mail out packets, saying they offer better options, etc.  What I learned is that they don't give parents better options, just more expensive ones.  They also pose as upset parents or teens on web sites so it's hard for the parents to tell if they are who they say they are.  They've planted the seed of doubt, and that's what's it's all about, whether true or not.  Some regularly go on the struggling teens site and privately e-mail parents that are asking about options - steering them to their websites or phone numbers.  There, they not only make themselves sound better than wwasp, but any program they are not referring to.   :???:
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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2003, 08:53:00 AM »
This is exactly how PURE, Inc. profits off of WWASP.  She uses her friends and associates to bash WWASP and promote PURE, Inc. I am sure there are a lot of other consultants and programs profiting off of the bad publicity that WWASP is getting.

This is why endorsing any consultant or program is dangerous.  All of these programs are unregulated and the childern who reside within them are at risk.
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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2003, 04:41:00 PM »
Carey, you may have some personal gripes with some of the people around here, but I think when it comes to the programs and why none can be trusted, we are on the same page.
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« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2003, 07:32:00 PM »
Ineresting.  This seems to be happening a lot, anon posters pretending to be former students, too.
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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2004, 04:10:00 PM »
:flame: If anyone ever conciders sending there kids to the wwasp programs do yourself a huge favor and dont spend half the money on therapy.
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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2004, 04:42:00 PM »
Troll.
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« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2004, 04:50:00 PM »
You know, Carey, you're not always my favorite person.  You're a bit abrasive, and because I'm a bit abrasive myself, that flicks me on the raw.

But you're right on this one.  All the programs are unregulated, and that very unregulated nature means that even a program that was good for Mary Sue's kid may have had a staff change and be abusive to your kid.

They're dangerous, full stop, and they need appropriate external regulation to shut bad residential treatment down and ensure the patients who actually need residential treatment get sound, quality care without the abuse.

If WWASPS really were the superior providers they claim to be, they'd *welcome* external regulation because it would weed out substandard competitors and guarantee both quality care and that patients whose problems are more suitable to outpatient treatment wouldn't be needlessly institutionalized.

That they appear to be fighting even the idea of regulation tooth and nail says everything about them that I need to know.
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« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2004, 05:25:00 PM »
I write about my own personal negative experience with WWASPS because *it is my own experience*.  I can verify my opinions, both from my own dealings with the company and from the personal experiences of my kid. I, like Carey, think that sending a kid away and hiring others to fix the problem is an irreversible, alienating, demoralizing decision, ripe with abuse.  

If this is the foremost "anti-behavior modification" site, then I think we all have done a pretty fine job in presenting an enormous variety of food-for-thought information.  We give real-life experiences of WWASPS, military schools, Straight, CEDU, and all sorts of other smaller "schools".  In fact, I've been impressed lately with the philosophical and researched opinions from folks who object to any sort of "lock the little darlings up until they 'get it'" attitude that is prevalent with the WWASPies who post here.

The sarcastic post from the "Ed Consultant" is so transparent that I immediately thought of those past posts, calling somebody "Stupid Head".  Wow...second grade stuff.  Of course you can't post something saying your client-parents are real dumb-shits for believing your more-expensive recommendations on the same board you profess to lead them to.  Jeez...  Sounds about the intellectual caliber of Ken Kay when he tells the media "they're all liars".  Intellectual level equals your age, Mr. Kay?...like about 50 or so?

We are apparently making a difference somewhere folks, or WWASPS wouldn't feel the need to counter-attack.  Keep up the good work!
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« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2004, 06:03:00 PM »
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You know, Carey, you're not always my favorite person. You're a bit abrasive, and because I'm a bit abrasive myself, that flicks me on the raw.

But you're right on this one. All the programs are unregulated, and that very unregulated nature means that even a program that was good for Mary Sue's kid may have had a staff change and be abusive to your kid.

They're dangerous, full stop, and they need appropriate external regulation to shut bad residential treatment down and ensure the patients who actually need residential treatment get sound, quality care without the abuse.

If WWASPS really were the superior providers they claim to be, they'd *welcome* external regulation because it would weed out substandard competitors and guarantee both quality care and that patients whose problems are more suitable to outpatient treatment wouldn't be needlessly institutionalized.

That they appear to be fighting even the idea of regulation tooth and nail says everything about them that I need to know.


This is why endorsing any consultant or program is dangerous. All of these programs are unregulated and the childern who reside within them are at risk.

That is why if you are truely in it for the kids then you can not stand behind or beside those such as PURE who are in the business.  The risk is inherent in all of these types of programs, even Sues.

What makes you think they, WWASP programs, are fighting the idea of regulation tooth and nail?   Is there evidence of that.  Are they actively lobbying legislators?  All I see is them actively going after a competitor who is trying to profit off of their loss.
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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2004, 06:04:00 PM »
That was me.
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« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2004, 09:43:00 PM »
Carey ,

I am sick and tired of you telling Fornits floks that Sue usesher associated and frinds to bash wwasp to promote PURE.That si such bullshit.

My son and family was mistreated and used by wwasp long before I ever hooked up with Pure website.

Because you have an issuse with Sue/Pure does not put us all in the same boat.

What have you done to enlighten the masses to help regulate these programs or deter parents from enrolling there kids?

Find a new song to sing or shut up.
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