TheWho is a NIGGER.

[TheWho]

TheWho, how does it feel to be a house nigger for that program you work for? Every day you're here spouting lies, in other words, attempting to bolster the tough love program agenda you apparently believe in. What a pathetic, slimy fucking shitbag you are, Who. You are truly a waste of flesh, and I hope you fucking die. Someone should string you up like the NIGGER you are. Fuck you.

All racial bs aside, I agree with this. I hate people who come here with their pro-program agendas and lies trying to carry out their 'damage control.'  A good example of this is that relentlessly stupid drama concerning Zen Agent: that was more than likely a sorry attempt to discredit him because of his stance against Peninsula Village. Will these people ever STFU and die gracefully? Thery make themselves look like complete idiots.

Ha,Ha,Ha  there is pro and anti program statements.  Lets just flip your statement over and see how it reads... Oh, no how dare he say that !!!  It is so hateful.  Goes to show you it is all about perspective.


All racial bs aside, I agree with this. I hate people who come here with their anti-program agendas and lies trying to carry out their 'damage control', because they didn’t apply themselves to the program they were in and now find themselves worse off with no one to blame but themselves.  A good example of this is that relentlessly stupid drama concerning Ajax13: that was more than likely a sorry attempt to discredit AARC because of his wife’s failure to work during her stay there. Will these people ever STFU and die gracefully? They make themselves look like complete idiots.

[Anonymous]

You folks are a trip.  The use of the "N" word in the title of this thread tells me all I need to know.  I have been perusing this site for months...seeking answers, maybe some direction, looking for the truth regarding these institutions.  Instead, what I have seen on this site is hate.  Hate for people with a different view, hate for anyone writing anonymously, sometimes even hate for each other.  How sad.  I guess I will find my answers elsewhere because the use of derogatory terms like the "N" word cannot possibly be coming from a mouth that speaks truth.  There a very few of you who have much to say that is actually informative anyhow.  Your very behavior will likely convince some hapless parent who comes across this site to go ahead and send their kid off...so they won't spew the same trash that is out on this site they are reading.  Unreal.

I would reccomend to those who actually have something to say to start moderating some of this stuff.  It's out of control.

[TheWho]

You folks are a trip.  The use of the "N" word in the title of this thread tells me all I need to know.  I have been perusing this site for months...seeking answers, maybe some direction, looking for the truth regarding these institutions.  Instead, what I have seen on this site is hate.  Hate for people with a different view, hate for anyone writing anonymously, sometimes even hate for each other.  How sad.  I guess I will find my answers elsewhere because the use of derogatory terms like the "N" word cannot possibly be coming from a mouth that speaks truth.  There a very few of you who have much to say that is actually informative anyhow.  Your very behavior will likely convince some hapless parent who comes across this site to go ahead and send their kid off...so they won't spew the same trash that is out on this site they are reading.  Unreal.

I would reccomend to those who actually have something to say to start moderating some of this stuff.  It's out of control.

The message I have received from the years of reading here is if you do decide to have your child attend a Therapeutic boarding school or other program do not take them out early!!!  This is worse than not sending them at all.  What you end up with is a child who hates the school/program their parents and everyone else.  They spend their time intolerant of others and spewing hatred all over sites like this.  This has been the sentiment of parents who have visited this site also.
Parents need to do themselves a favor and research the school/program really well before committing and then (this is critical) stick to your decision to the end and you have an excellent shot at your child being successful and getting through their difficulty.

It would be nice to be able to have open discussions with varying opinions instead of this mudslinging, but it hasn’t happened very often in my few years of posting here and I don’t see it changing anytime soon because as you have stated it is mostly kids dumping their hatred towards everything in sight vs discussing the issues or educating readers on the best/worse programs.



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[Anonymous]

You folks are a trip.  The use of the "N" word in the title of this thread tells me all I need to know.  I have been perusing this site for months...seeking answers, maybe some direction, looking for the truth regarding these institutions.  Instead, what I have seen on this site is hate.  Hate for people with a different view, hate for anyone writing anonymously, sometimes even hate for each other.  How sad.  I guess I will find my answers elsewhere because the use of derogatory terms like the "N" word cannot possibly be coming from a mouth that speaks truth.  There a very few of you who have much to say that is actually informative anyhow.  Your very behavior will likely convince some hapless parent who comes across this site to go ahead and send their kid off...so they won't spew the same trash that is out on this site they are reading.  Unreal.

I would reccomend to those who actually have something to say to start moderating some of this stuff.  It's out of control.

Shut up, nigger.  ::unhappy::    :moon:    

[Just Curious]

You folks are a trip.  The use of the "N" word in the title of this thread tells me all I need to know.  I have been perusing this site for months...seeking answers, maybe some direction, looking for the truth regarding these institutions.  Instead, what I have seen on this site is hate.  Hate for people with a different view, hate for anyone writing anonymously, sometimes even hate for each other.  How sad.  I guess I will find my answers elsewhere because the use of derogatory terms like the "N" word cannot possibly be coming from a mouth that speaks truth.  There a very few of you who have much to say that is actually informative anyhow.  Your very behavior will likely convince some hapless parent who comes across this site to go ahead and send their kid off...so they won't spew the same trash that is out on this site they are reading.  Unreal.

I would reccomend to those who actually have something to say to start moderating some of this stuff.  It's out of control.

Shut up, nigger.  ::unhappy::    :moon:    

Nice.  I'm not a black person.  That type of speech is simply ignorant.

Sad part is, I was anti-program when I first found this site, but your hatred and constant battling is causing me to rethink my position.  What ~should~ I think when a group of people spew such hate and then say "believe us...we are victims"  It is amazing to me that someone who claims to be a victim can then just turn and victimize someone else.

I don't even really know how to respond to you calling me such a derogatory name.  Thanks...for the support in my quest.

[AuntieEm2]

Therapy is not time served. That's prison. No wonder these survivors are angry. Only a heartless bastard would suggest they should spend more time in a place where they were not helped.

The "therapy" offered through therapeutic boarding schools does not comport with any treatment regimen taught or practiced at any reputable university or institution in the country. Call the pediatric mental health department at your local university. Talk to an expert in children's mental health--NOT an educational consultant, but an M.D. I did. Four different doctors in three different states told me that separating a troubled child from their family and extended family is contrary to professional imperitives to provide coordinated care among all the members of the community that surround the child. Google the term "Systems of Care"; this is the professional standard for community-based mental health care for children and adults.

Use your brain. Separating a child (a child!) from their family for YEARS ON END is not evidence of a healed family! It is by its very nature, in absolute point of fact, a ruptured, broken family.  

Auntie Em

[psy]

You folks are a trip.  The use of the "N" word in the title of this thread tells me all I need to know.  I have been perusing this site for months...seeking answers, maybe some direction, looking for the truth regarding these institutions.  Instead, what I have seen on this site is hate.  Hate for people with a different view, hate for anyone writing anonymously, sometimes even hate for each other.  How sad.  I guess I will find my answers elsewhere because the use of derogatory terms like the "N" word cannot possibly be coming from a mouth that speaks truth.  There a very few of you who have much to say that is actually informative anyhow.  Your very behavior will likely convince some hapless parent who comes across this site to go ahead and send their kid off...so they won't spew the same trash that is out on this site they are reading.  Unreal.

I would reccomend to those who actually have something to say to start moderating some of this stuff.  It's out of control.

I'd give you a voltaire quote coupled with a lecture on the importance of free speech and the tyranny of the majority, but something tells me you're not likely to care very much.  If you feel that one person using an offensive term represents the whole board (that would mean you too), then the one using the "n" word isn't the only one being bigoted here.  As much as controlling the dialogue here might be useful in terms of convincing parents, it would also necessitate somebody to be in charge of what is and what is not kosher to say... and there goes somebody's liberty.  It's better to have nobody decide, and let everybody speak their peace, regardless of how offensive or hate filled.

Sorry if you get offended by what you read here.  So do I.  So does Ginger.  So does everybody, but not everybody agrees on what is offensive.  What if the person in control was somebody who didn't agree with you, and felt your own speech was offensive?   It's not the job of the medium here, the forum, the paper on which words are printed, to make that distinction.  While there are moderated sections of fornits (such as the CAN forum and the Facilities Q&A forum) this isn't one of them.  As stated in the disclaimer for this Troulbed Teen Industry forum "This is an uncensored, unmoderated forum where all viewpoints are both welcome and fair game for debate. It's a snap-shot of the Teen Help industry, and there's nothing inspiring or heart-warming about it. It's pretty damned ugly. Enter at your own risk."  You chose to enter.  Accept the consequences.  If you feel the need to control the environment and others around you...  well it's just not going to happen here.  This isn't a program.  Until you've been shut up like that, had every word controlled, i'm not sure you can understand just how vital unrestricted speech is to liberty, and just how dangerous a slippery slope censorship can be.

[psy]

Nice.  I'm not a black person.  That type of speech is simply ignorant.

Maybe.  But you show ignorance in your response to a comment that was obviously designed to solicit just that.

Sad part is, I was anti-program when I first found this site, but your hatred and constant battling is causing me to rethink my position.

I'm not sure I buy that.  If you allow some irrelevant comment here by a guest poster (that could very well have been posted by a program supporter to discredit this forum) to influence your stance on programs, I'm not sure how strong your reasons were in the first place for coming to those opinions.  Personally, i'd recommend you support a position well before taking one.

What ~should~ I think when a group of people spew such hate and then say "believe us...we are victims"  It is amazing to me that someone who claims to be a victim can then just turn and victimize someone else.

As I pointed out in my previous post, you seem unable to distinguish a solitary guest poster from the group.  You judge the group (and connected issues) by the actions of a few individuals who you can't even positively identify.  Can somebody here give me a good one word definition of judging a group based on the actions of a few individuals?

[Just Curious]

You folks are a trip.  The use of the "N" word in the title of this thread tells me all I need to know.  I have been perusing this site for months...seeking answers, maybe some direction, looking for the truth regarding these institutions.  Instead, what I have seen on this site is hate.  Hate for people with a different view, hate for anyone writing anonymously, sometimes even hate for each other.  How sad.  I guess I will find my answers elsewhere because the use of derogatory terms like the "N" word cannot possibly be coming from a mouth that speaks truth.  There a very few of you who have much to say that is actually informative anyhow.  Your very behavior will likely convince some hapless parent who comes across this site to go ahead and send their kid off...so they won't spew the same trash that is out on this site they are reading.  Unreal.

I would reccomend to those who actually have something to say to start moderating some of this stuff.  It's out of control.

I'd give you a voltaire quote coupled with a lecture on the importance of free speech and the tyranny of the majority, but something tells me you're not likely to care very much.  If you feel that one person using an offensive term represents the whole board (that would mean you too), then the one using the "n" word isn't the only one being bigoted here.  As much as controlling the dialogue here might be useful in terms of convincing parents, it would also necessitate somebody to be in charge of what is and what is not kosher to say... and there goes somebody's liberty.  It's better to have nobody decide, and let everybody speak their peace, regardless of how offensive or hate filled.

Sorry if you get offended by what you read here.  So do I.  So does Ginger.  So does everybody, but not everybody agrees on what is offensive.  What if the person in control was somebody who didn't agree with you, and felt your own speech was offensive?   It's not the job of the medium here, the forum, the paper on which words are printed, to make that distinction.  While there are moderated sections of fornits (such as the CAN forum and the Facilities Q&A forum) this isn't one of them.  As stated in the disclaimer for this Troulbed Teen Industry forum "This is an uncensored, unmoderated forum where all viewpoints are both welcome and fair game for debate. It's a snap-shot of the Teen Help industry, and there's nothing inspiring or heart-warming about it. It's pretty damned ugly. Enter at your own risk."  You chose to enter.  Accept the consequences.  If you feel the need to control the environment and others around you...  well it's just not going to happen here.  This isn't a program.  Until you've been shut up like that, had every word controlled, i'm not sure you can understand just how vital unrestricted speech is to liberty.

While I agree freedom of speech is paramount in our world, I do not think free speech gives us a "free pass" for calling groups of people by derogatory names and labels that we have worked hard for years and years to try and erase.  When we allow groups of people to be attacked (yes, using the n word is an attack) we only take a step backward.  Honestly, what government official is going to listen to someone full of hate, spewing words like fuck you and stick it in your ass?  I am not here to battle you or anyone, as I stated, I came here looking for answers...what I found was hate.  For the record, I do understand what it's like to have every word I speak controlled.  I was involved in some very cultish activity for several years...I finally made my way out of it.  But I do not talk about my experiences with hate.  I could if I wanted to let them (the cult) win.  I refuse to be reduced to the use of ignorant speech.  Psy, you seem intelligent generally...at least the posts of yours I have read seem intelligent.  Do you not agree that this forum of hatred is going to fall on deaf ears?  How can I possibly convince someone NOT to send their child to a program if I am acting as a rebellious punk myself?  It really isn't rocket science.

Anyhow....I won't be posting again.  Thanks for your time.

[psy]

While I agree freedom of speech is paramount in our world, I do not think free speech gives us a "free pass" for calling groups of people by derogatory names and labels

Actually, it does.  Take it up with the rebellious punks who wrote the constitution and the hatemongers in the supreme court.

that we have worked hard for years and years to try and erase.

Erasing knowldge of history only ensures repetition.  Attempting to root out an destroy a word, treat a symptom, does not deal with the underlying hatred.  If you're not addressing that, instead attacking the speech itself, you've already failed.

Honestly, what government official is going to listen to someone full of hate, spewing words like fuck you and stick it in your ass?

The forum doesn't speak to the government (not it's purpose).  Individuals do, and those individuals are responsible for their own speech an nobody else's.

I am not here to battle you or anyone, as I stated, I came here looking for answers...

To what questions?  All i've seen so far is judgement.

what I found was hate.

It's a part of life.  Take the bad with the good.  If all you're finding is hate, it's all you're looking for, and that's a shame, considering how much good others have contributed to and taken away from this very forum.

For the record, I do understand what it's like to have every word I speak controlled.  I was involved in some very cultish activity for several years...I finally made my way out of it.  But I do not talk about my experiences with hate.

People respond to things differently.

I could if I wanted to let them (the cult) win.  I refuse to be reduced to the use of ignorant speech.

Well then that's your choice based on your subjective designation of what you see to be ignorant.  Others may choose to indulge. Personally, i'd rather have vulgar language coupled with well reasoned argument to the inverse.

Psy, you seem intelligent generally...at least the posts of yours I have read seem intelligent.  Do you not agree that this forum of hatred is going to fall on deaf ears?

I disagree with you, yes.  Not everybody judges the group based on the actions of a few unidentified individuals.  Just because you do doesn't mean everybody else does (and god help us all if they did).

How can I possibly convince someone NOT to send their child to a program if I am acting as a rebellious punk myself?  It really isn't rocket science.

Easy.  I don't act like a rebellious punk when I talk to them.

Anyhow....I won't be posting again.  Thanks for your time.

Well.  That's a shame.  Take care.

[Anonymous]

Bumped for the nitwit posting on the "should zen be a moderator" thread. Fuck you.

[Froderik]

You folks are a trip.  The use of the "N" word in the title of this thread tells me all I need to know.  I have been perusing this site for months...seeking answers, maybe some direction, looking for the truth regarding these institutions.  Instead, what I have seen on this site is hate.  Hate for people with a different view, hate for anyone writing anonymously, sometimes even hate for each other.  How sad.  I guess I will find my answers elsewhere because the use of derogatory terms like the "N" word cannot possibly be coming from a mouth that speaks truth.  There a very few of you who have much to say that is actually informative anyhow.  Your very behavior will likely convince some hapless parent who comes across this site to go ahead and send their kid off...so they won't spew the same trash that is out on this site they are reading.  Unreal.

I would reccomend to those who actually have something to say to start moderating some of this stuff.  It's out of control.

I'd give you a voltaire quote coupled with a lecture on the importance of free speech and the tyranny of the majority, but something tells me you're not likely to care very much.  If you feel that one person using an offensive term represents the whole board (that would mean you too), then the one using the "n" word isn't the only one being bigoted here.  As much as controlling the dialogue here might be useful in terms of convincing parents, it would also necessitate somebody to be in charge of what is and what is not kosher to say... and there goes somebody's liberty.  It's better to have nobody decide, and let everybody speak their peace, regardless of how offensive or hate filled.

Sorry if you get offended by what you read here.  So do I.  So does Ginger.  So does everybody, but not everybody agrees on what is offensive.  What if the person in control was somebody who didn't agree with you, and felt your own speech was offensive?   It's not the job of the medium here, the forum, the paper on which words are printed, to make that distinction.  While there are moderated sections of fornits (such as the CAN forum and the Facilities Q&A forum) this isn't one of them.  As stated in the disclaimer for this Troulbed Teen Industry forum "This is an uncensored, unmoderated forum where all viewpoints are both welcome and fair game for debate. It's a snap-shot of the Teen Help industry, and there's nothing inspiring or heart-warming about it. It's pretty damned ugly. Enter at your own risk."  You chose to enter.  Accept the consequences.  If you feel the need to control the environment and others around you...  well it's just not going to happen here.  This isn't a program.  Until you've been shut up like that, had every word controlled, i'm not sure you can understand just how vital unrestricted speech is to liberty, and just how dangerous a slippery slope censorship can be.

bump.

[Froderik]

Bump, because this thread is the lesser of two evils.