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Sarah Palin's Dominionist Ties
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: "Sarah??" ---And Buzzkill, I'll be waiting patiently for your responses to the Palin articles.
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I've been having trouble getting it posted.
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Uh huh. Your tirades about Obama seem to come through just fine.
--- Quote --- The media is covering Sarah Palin pretty extensively. Its hard to miss this stuff on her. But this stuff on Obama? Your not going to see it talked or written about much. People don't know about most of these issues. For example, did you (or do you) have any idea who Raila Odinga is?
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That's because there is a big difference between some tenuous AT BEST ties to some long ago 60s radicals and the VERY RECENT affiliation AND MEMBERSHIP of the Palins with the AIP.
And yes, I did know who Odinga was.
--- Quote ---And unless you watch Fox you don't know a thing about the FBI and 11 states finding massive voter registration fraud with ACORN, and Obama's close ties with ACORN (as a field staff trainer and as their attorney) or about the federal monies that go to them b/c no one else is talking about it. Its is just astonishing.
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Getting your prefab excuses for losing the election ready for deployment, I see.
--- Quote ---As for the AIP - this would not be good for the US of A; but I have to say I understand why they feel as they do and I have some sympathy for their POV. Maybe this is the southern gal in me. But I also think they exist more to bring some focus their legitimate grievances than from any real intent to cede from the union. In this, I too would certainly wish them luck.
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So, in other words you didn't read up on it at all.
--- Quote ---In any event, I don't think all of your worries and woes about the republican VP candidate are anywhere near as worrisome (and dangerous) for this country as those concerning the top of the Democratic ticket.
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And I would submit that Palin's a tad more worrisome given McSame's health. Again, if you're that disconnected from reality as to buy into the "OMG!!! Obama's a secret turrist mulin!" bullshit, I hold little hope for you.
--- Quote ---Now, I've got some things to do, so I am going to disappear again. ;)
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Surprise, surprise.
For when you get back, what do you think of Palin being qualified to run the country?
BuzzKill:
--- Quote ---Uh huh. Your tirades about Obama seem to come through just fine.
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That last one took three tries. I have no idea why.
--- Quote ---That's because there is a big difference between some tenuous AT BEST ties to some long ago 60s radicals and the VERY RECENT affiliation AND MEMBERSHIP of the Palins with the AIP.
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The radical and vicious associations Obama has are actually close ties (even very close ties) and not at all tenuous. Nor is the radicalism limited to the 60 and 70's. It has changed very little since then.
I think these connections much more troubling than association with the AIP. The AIP has yet to call for butchering people; or incited the butchering of people; or insisted that god dam America; or declared any god who won't help in the destruction of the white race must be killed; or bombed federal buildings and bragged about it to this day.
But, if you have anything showing Sarah Palin is a member of the AIP party, I'd like to see it. Your not referring to the clip of her addressing the AIP before their convention are you? If so, you might want to take another look and give a more careful listen.
--- Quote ---Getting your prefab excuses for losing the election ready for deployment, I see.
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No. If Obama wins it will be because he is pleasant to listen to and look at. But, there is a very big news story being ignored by the media b/c it reflects badly on their golden boy. It is now 12 states that are investigating ACORN along with the FBI and the voter registration fraud is massive and truly outrageous in its audacity.
--- Quote ---So, in other words you didn't read up on it at all.
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I have seen a good deal about it going back maybe the past ten years. I can't recall exactly when I first learned about it. As I said, I have some sympathy for their grievances and understand their POV.
--- Quote ---And I would submit that Palin's a tad more worrisome given McSame's health. Again, if you're that disconnected from reality as to buy into the "OMG!!! Obama's a secret turrist mulin!" bullshit, I hold little hope for you.
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We see the world differently, you and I. I see the top of the democratic ticket as far more worrisome than the bottom of the Republican. The people who propelled Obama into his current exalted position are in fact terrorist; and most are in fact either Nation of Islam, or might as well be, considering their rhetoric. This isn't bull shit. It is the truth. You can ignore it if you want to, but it is still the truth.
--- Quote ---Surprise, surprise.
For when you get back, what do you think of Palin being qualified to run the country?
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Look, you don't really expect me to sit here and baby-sit fornits do you?
Palin is far more qualified and experienced than Obama. This is just another fact. The man has zero executive experience. He has barely gotten his feet wet in the senate. Palin has been the governor of a major mineral and energy producing state; and judging from her approval ratings, a very good governor. I'd have no problem voting for her over Obama, if that where the choice I had.
Anonymous:
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/ ... n_chryson/
http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/arc ... ience.html
Two really in-depth articules on 6packsarah
BuzzKill:
Why the AIP and the religious right like and support Sarah Palin is a legitimate question. It is a legitimate concern for some voters.
Why William Ayers, Bernadine Dohrn, Louis Farrakhan, Kaleid Al-Monsour, Tony Rezco, Odinga, Chavez, Quadafie, Ahmadinejad, and groups like Hamas and Al-Quaeda, like and support Barrack Husain Obama, is also a legitimate question. This is also a ligament concern for some voters.
In my mind, the current state of world and US affairs makes these concerns about Obama a much more serous matter.
psy:
Ya know, Buzz. A lot of the reason we've had so many troubles in our foreign policy is precisely because we refuse to talk to or negotiate with those who we label as "terrorists", such as Hamas, even when they are the legitimately elected government (and thus supported by the people). You can't fight an entire people. It's either: kill them all off, or talk to them and see if something can be worked out. Refusing to talk, as this administration has done and McCain will do has lead and will likely lead nowhere good.
As for the our support for Israel. Most outside the united states see it as very one sided, and as such, we're not going to be in a credible, neutral position as an arbiter and expect the "other side" to take us seriously. Personally, I'd let the whole lot kill each other until they get tired of it but IF we are going to attempt to negotiate a peace, it's just not going to stick if we're viewed (and rightly so) as supporting one side over the other. We give and sell advanced arms to Israel and tolerate them owning (and being very willing to use) weapons of mass destruction while the opposite is true of other nations in the region. This isn't even to mention Israel's tactics towards war where "collateral damage" seems to more or less be OK. We stood by and interfered with an alternative UN backed solution, letting Israel absolutely flatten lebanon for a second time (not to mention litter the place with grenade-sized cluster munitions that have been known to maim and kill years later)... We even gave them muntions to help. That sort of behavior does not place us in a positive light to the other counties of the region. Israel is an ally, yes, but they cannot be given carte-blanche to do whatever they like to their neighbors. If we are percieved as supporting them in oppressive actions against other countries and peopels of the region, what result other than hostility can you expect? Either we stop taking sides and start trying to negotiate a peace (not my preference, as i'm mostly an isolationist), or we simply stay out of it and let them kill each other until they get sickened of it (as happened in Northern Ireland after the Omagh bombing). Any other course of action will just guarantee that the thousands of years of violence will continue.
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