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Sarah Palin's Dominionist Ties
Froderik:
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I hear they have ties to a known religious cult. :D
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Groucho: Well whadaya say girls? Are we all gonna get married?
Woman: All of us? But that’s bigamy!
Groucho: Yes, and it’s big-a-me too. Let's be big for a change.
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Sutton" ---http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Sutton_family_retracts_Obama_story.html
September 06, 2008
Categories: Barack Obama
Sutton family retracts Obama story
Conservative bloggers have, understandably, spent some time in recent days chasing suggestive comments made by the former Manhattan borough president Percy Sutton earlier this year.
Sutton had suggested in an interview that a former Black Panther and advisor to Saudi royals, Khalid al-Mansour, had played some previously unknown role in Obama's pre-political life.
I wrote about the story in detail here; Obama's camp, apparently puzzled and eager to put the story to rest, flatly denied his knowing al-Mansour, and details of Sutton's account appeared not to make sense.
After I wrote it, al-Mansour also called me back, and said he'd never met Obama, and had no idea where the story came from; his only hesitance in denying it, he said, had been in contradicting Sutton, "a dear friend, his health is not good."
This evening, a spokesman for Sutton's family, Kevin Wardally, e-mailed over a statement that (because there's absolutely no other evidence for the story, and much that contradicts it) seems to put the story to rest for good:
The information Mr. Percy Sutton imparted on March 25 in a NY1 News interview regarding his connection to Barack Obama is inaccurate. As best as our family and the Chairman's closest friends can tell, Mr. Sutton, now 86 years of age, misspoke in describing certain details and events in that television interview.
We regret this unfortunate incident and we ask good conscientious people to extend compassion and grace to Percy Sutton, a man who has served America in many capacities; an officer with the Tuskegee Airmen in World War II and as a public servant who was the first elected African-American Manhattan Borough President.
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Thanks, debunker and Sutton, for clarifying the source and details of that misconception. Hopefully, people of integrity will cease repeating that nonsense, even if for no other reason than a sense of compassion for Percy Sutton and a desire to allow him to live the rest of his days with some modicum of dignity.
I would also like to add, re. Obama's connection with Islam, that back then...after the Black Panther Party was significantly demoralized and stomped into the ground by excessive targeting by the police, illegal destruction of their property and records, not to mention jail time of participants on trumped up charges, infiltration by CIA informants and agent provocateurs, etc. etc. ...the next alternative for a young African American man of that era who wished to contribute to his heritage and community was to join the "back to Islam" movement. It was not uncommon; in fact, it was generally seen as a mark of good character back then, regardless of how you felt about Islam or any of its tenets.
Just something to keep in mind, along the lines of context within the time period in question.
Ursus:
Referring back to the last dogemperor piece I posted, namely More info comes out on Palin and dominionism, Armageddon, and book bans (the 5th one of this series; dated September 12, 2008), here is an entry from the 'LIBRARIANS AGAINST PALIN!' blog, complete with comments up to today. There are many useful links, in case anyone is especially interested in this issue.
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What Books did Sarah Palin want banned?
Thursday, Sep 4 2008
So, what titles did Sarah Palin attempt to censor from the Wasilla Public Library?
Short answer - I don't know. I am going to need all your help with this one.
I do have a couple of leads
- The best bet would be if we could get Mary Emmons to make a statement. However, she appears to be very media-shy.
- Ann Kilkenny was active in the backlash against Palin during the censorship battle, and also reported that Palin brought up censoring books at a city council meeting.
* I have e-mailed Kilkenny to see if she can recall titles, and have invited her to visit the blog.
* Can anyone access the Minutes from the Wasilla City Council meetings? We're looking in the 1996-1997 time-frame.
- Another lead is the Frontiersman article regarding the book banning from 12/18/1996. I have not had any success in getting the original copy of the article, or any articles from the paper. Does anyone have access to it? To our friends in Alaska - microfilm/fiche?
THANK YOU EVERYONE!
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12 Responses to "What books did Sarah Palin want banned?"
* SLISStudent Says:
September 4, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Palin asked about censoring books with Wasilla librarian
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/2008/ ... position=6
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* Rex Says:
September 4, 2008 at 10:55 pm
Check out this post:
http://www.librarian.net/stax/2366/sara ... p-nominee/
Comment #11 in the post has a list.
Is this "THE" list?
Don't know.
Consider it a candidate.
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* librariansagainstpalin Says:
September 4, 2008 at 11:06 pm
Rex,
Thank you for the suggestion. However, this list is not accurate. While it is a list of commonly banned books, notice that it contains multiple Harry Potter books, which were not published in 1996. Therefore, this list cannot be viewed as credible.
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* Will Says:
September 5, 2008 at 2:15 am
Not sure how accurate this is…but here's what I've found:
http://www.cityofwasilla.com/Modules/Sh ... mentid=516
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* Betty Barcode Says:
September 7, 2008 at 5:44 pm
If you need pre-computers articles from an old newspaper, use WorldCat and ILL just like our patrons do! You folks are supposedly librarians–don't you know how to place interlibrary loan requests?
Surely it is one of these titles:
http://www.worldcat.org/search?q=alaska ... t=advanced
Sheesh.
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* rewinn Says:
September 7, 2008 at 11:50 pm
Let me urge great care in this matter, especially as to purported lists of books Palin wanted banned.
It seems unlikely that such a list actually exists on paper or other media; although few would be more delighted than I were a verifiable instance of such a list be found, I am very confident that her opponent in the gubernatorial race would have produced it ere now.
It seems more likely that a false-flag operation, or mere careless excitement, could produce one or more inauthentic lists, the subsequent debunking of which provides Palin supporters with "evidence" that she's being unfairly attacked.
This may be an excellent example of the proposition that some things are simply not provable, because we don't keep written records of everything. It is, perhaps, an argument for more thorough information retention.
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* rbhardy3rd Says:
September 8, 2008 at 10:47 pm
This just appeared in Salon.com: List of books Palin wanted banned is fake.
Keep up the good work here!
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* Ellen Says:
September 9, 2008 at 2:49 am
Hi, I've also worked with Mary Ellen, when I was a library intern, after she left Wasilla. I would like to reinforce that she is a very professional, nice, and I think private person. She is not someone I knew well personally, but whom I regard highly as a professional.
I think in a profession that guards patron privacy, it is only right that she remain silent about the details of any private interactions she may have had with Palin.
What's public record, of course, is fair game. And that being the case, there should be no need of a statement from Mary Ellen.
Thanks to everyone still in Alaska who is busy unearthing bound and microfilm materials! Yes, we are information professionals and we will do what we can to get the most accurate information we can to anyone who wants it!
I think a call for the titles is beside the point, and only leads to "the list."
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* M Says:
September 9, 2008 at 4:47 pm
You asked about access to Wasilla City Council minutes. You can make a public records request - see http://www.cityofwasilla.com/index.aspx?page=217.
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* K.Connell Says:
September 11, 2008 at 6:10 pm
"It seems unlikely that such a list actually exists on paper or other media; although few would be more delighted than I were a verifiable instance of such a list be found, I am very confident that her opponent in the gubernatorial race would have produced it ere now."
You are correct. Such a "list/lists" does not exist. That is precisely why people who share your political persuasion were forced to fabricate one (them).
"It seems more likely that a false-flag operation, or mere careless excitement, could produce one or more inauthentic lists, the subsequent debunking of which provides Palin supporters with 'evidence' that she's being unfairly attacked."
Please. Do not insult the intelligence of all your readers. The very fact that there have been spurious "lists" of books Palin wanted removed from libraries IS evidence that she is being unfairly attacked. That is self-evident.
"This may be an excellent example of the proposition that some things are simply not provable, because we don't keep written records of everything."
Indeed. And some things are not "provable" because they are false. "We" cannot keep written records of fictional lists. Or fictional conversations. Or fictional motives. But that doesn't seem to stop "us" from discussing them, does it?
"Yes, we are information professionals…"
Really? How nice that you think so.
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* J Says:
September 12, 2008 at 9:27 pm
How nice of you to be so snidely condescending. Just because some overexcited Internet trawler made up a 'list' is not, in itself, proof that Palin is being unfairly attacked. It is NOT self-evident, and even saying so makes it obvious that you failed Logic 101 in school.
Don't insult the intelligence of those here by trying to deal in absolutes.
And really, why come to a site like this and make these comments anyway? You persuade no one, offer no evidence, and sound like a troll.
What a waste of your time, and the time of those who read your inane argument.
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* Mavrodaphne Says:
September 14, 2008 at 2:26 am
Here's what I've been looking at:
1) Paul Stuart, former reporter and managing editor for 'The Frontiersman' (from April 1995 to December 1999), knew Palin and Mary Ellen Emmons. He was interviewed by Tom Eastman for the Conway Daily Sun (9/9/08) regarding an interview he had done with 'Good Morning America'. In the interview, Stuart said he 'told ABC-TV about Palin's attempts to have three books removed from the Wasilla town library because she felt they were not appropriate. "I don't remember the name of the third book, but two of them were 'Pastor I'm Gay' and 'Go Ask Alice," explaining they were pro-gay books. "I'm not sure if they came out or not, as Wasilla wasn't my town beat at the time, but she was furious," Stuart said."
The above-referenced 'Conway Daily Sun' article has been archived and can only be accessed by paid prescription, however, the title is: Local journalist who covered Palin interviewed by 'Good Morning America' Segment slated to air Tuesday, Sept. 9 - by Tom Eastman. There is also brief mention of this ABC News piece cited below.
Stuart has made this statment about the librarian: "Mary Ellen told me Palin asked her directly to remove these books from the shelves. She refused." (This statement can be googled for sourcing - there are several sites.)
2) From a NY Times article, 'In Office, Palin Hired Friends and Lashed Foes' by Jo Becker, Peters S. Goodman and Michael Powell, 9/13/08:
"But in 1995, Ms. Palin, then a city councilwoman, told colleagues that she had noticed the book "Daddy's Roommate" on the shelves and that it didn't belong there, according to Ms. Chase and Mr. Stein. Ms. Chase read the book, which helps children understand homosexuality, and said it was inoffensive; she suggested that Ms. Palin read it.
"Sarah said she didn't need to read that stuff," Ms. Chase said. "It was disturbing someone would be willing to remove a book from the library and she didn't even read it."" (from page 3)
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/14/us/po ... ref=slogin
3) From Boston.com, "Wasilla besieged by researchers" by Brian C. Mooney, September 10, 2008:
…one complaint was raised during Palin's six years as mayor, in 1997, but the book "Heather Has Two Mommies" by Leslea Newman, remained on the shelf, the report states."
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/pol ... siege.html
4) Pastor Howard Bess, author of 'Pastor, I Am Gay' claims the Assembly of God (where Palin was a member) was pushing to remove his book from local bookstores.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5766173&page=1
(Mavrodaphne note: I've read Bess would give the library copies and have to resupply them because they wouldn't be returned.)
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The only book mentioned here that doesn't have a homosexual theme is "Go Ask Alice" - that's about a teenage girl and drugs (and entails casual sex). I'm not sure how much we rely on Stuart's claim there were 3 books Palin wanted banned based on him saying "Go Ask Alice" was a pro-gay book and he couldn't remember the name of the third book. That leaves "Pastor, I Am Gay".
The remaining books, "Daddy's Roommate" and "Heather Has Two Mommies" follow the homosexual theme. So if there really were three books Palin wanted banned, there's documentation for it.
Finally, a quote from Charlote Glover, Alaska Chapter Councilor of the American Library Association:
"I can tell you that the facts coming out about Sarah Palin are absolutely true. I know the librarian in question and the entire story may never be told as the librarian is guarding her privacy for several reasons, but IT IS EVEN WORSE THAN YOU CAN IMAGINE."
…"the facts speak for themselves and that you need to know that they are indeed, facts, and not tabloid gossip."
http://www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA6593135.html
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I am not computer saavy and this has literally taken me hours to compile. I hope you will be able to use some of the material and wish you the very best of luck.
—A former member of the Northfield (Minn.) Public Library Board
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Ursus:
And here's an editorial from about a week ago, posted on Library Journal (by the Editor-in-Chief) about the censorship/book banning issue:
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Editorial: Palin Strikes Fear in Libraries
The more we hear about Palin, the less we trust her
By Francine Fialkoff, Editor-in-Chief, http://www.mydebate.org. As that Alaskan moose warned, BE AFRAID...BE VERY AFRAID!
Anonymous:
Wonder what happened to Buzzkill and her merry band of men in white hats, errrrr.... I mean coats? And why would anyone give themselves a name like Buzzkill?
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