here we are reading the tabloids

[Anonymous]

If you are looking for sensationalism and mistruths, this is the place to read them.

WE have a prolific 'journalist'  - AJAX 13 with lots to say about a man (Dean Vause) he has never met and a treatment centre he has never been to (AARC). He will argue that his wife has told him the 'truth' about her experience at AARC. however, she is a lone wolf and her stories just do not check out with any other grads who were in AARC at the time she was. Her mother has also published articles describing the hell their family went through with this daugther. Her mother also describes the gratitude the famiily had for AARC. the only person complaining is a client that graduated who has now found a man who seems to want to keep her in a very sick state of mind.

Ajax13 regularly comes up with more ridiculous lies about Dean Vause - just keep coming back to hear them.

Unfortunately there are canadian jounrnalists who seem to be looking for a train wreck and are looking to further Ajax's tabloids. I caution them - they will be ones who come out as being very unprofessional and the ones doing harm to kids and families who need help.

[ajax13]

Sorry, how do you know who my wife was, what former AARC prisoners were in with her, and who her mother is?  If you do know who she is, how have you managed to talk to all of the former prisoners who did time in AARC with her?  Did you make a lot of those long distance calls that you alluded to?   How did you get contact information for all of them?   The moderator of the AARCSurvivor forum was in with her, is a grad, and has been fighting AARC for years.  Steve Lebaron was in with her, but he's dead.  The male oldcomer who assaulted her in his bedroom has kept kind of a low profile with regard to AARC, but I'm curious as to what he said to you.  Natalie Oldcomer probably has a different opinion of AARC from that of my wife, but then again she allowed herself to be put into an adolescent facility as a full-grown adult.  In fact, my wife and yet another grad who was in with her were debating as to just how far past twenty-one Natalie was when she entered AARC.  AARC's client base was much smaller when my wife was held there than it is now, but at least half a dozen of those who were held there while she was there are active opponents of AARC.  That doesn't seem to jive with your statement that her stories don't check out with any other grads who were in AARC with her.  In fact, last summer my wife ran into a young man who had been in AARC with her.  His wife was urging him to get psychological help to deal with the damage done to him in AARC.  When you spoke to him, what did he say?  I'd tell you to talk to my wife's former clinical, but like every other clinical staffer who wasn't a former client or relative of the Wiz, she is long gone.

[Anonymous]

Ajax, every word you waste on this fuckclown is a word NOT sent to someone who might be able to do something about AARC.

[ajax13]

Maskirovka.  Look it up.

[Anonymous]

Sorry, how do you know who my wife was, what former AARC prisoners were in with her, and who her mother is?  If you do know who she is, how have you managed to talk to all of the former prisoners who did time in AARC with her?  Did you make a lot of those long distance calls that you alluded to?   How did you get contact information for all of them?   The moderator of the AARCSurvivor forum was in with her, is a grad, and has been fighting AARC for years.  Steve Lebaron was in with her, but he's dead.  The male oldcomer who assaulted her in his bedroom has kept kind of a low profile with regard to AARC, but I'm curious as to what he said to you.  Natalie Oldcomer probably has a different opinion of AARC from that of my wife, but then again she allowed herself to be put into an adolescent facility as a full-grown adult.  In fact, my wife and yet another grad who was in with her were debating as to just how far past twenty-one Natalie was when she entered AARC.  AARC's client base was much smaller when my wife was held there than it is now, but at least half a dozen of those who were held there while she was there are active opponents of AARC.  That doesn't seem to jive with your statement that her stories don't check out with any other grads who were in AARC with her.  In fact, last summer my wife ran into a young man who had been in AARC with her.  His wife was urging him to get psychological help to deal with the damage done to him in AARC.  When you spoke to him, what did he say?  I'd tell you to talk to my wife's former clinical, but like every other clinical staffer who wasn't a former client or relative of the Wiz, she is long gone.

simple - read your online posts on our websites - you say the same things there as on fornits and you sign you name !
not any effort at all, so don't read into it too much.

[Anonymous]

Ajax, every word you waste on this fuckclown is a word NOT sent to someone who might be able to do something about AARC.

WOW, so hurtful. and yes we know Vinny is a prolific tabloid journalist. ::deadhorse::

[ajax13]

You have some websites on which I have posted?  What sites would those be?  But back to you talking to all of the grads who were in with my wife.  None of them have mentioned that to me, nor to her as far as I know.  What gives?

[Anonymous]

Sorry, how do you know who my wife was, what former AARC prisoners were in with her, and who her mother is?  If you do know who she is, how have you managed to talk to all of the former prisoners who did time in AARC with her?  Did you make a lot of those long distance calls that you alluded to?   How did you get contact information for all of them?   The moderator of the AARCSurvivor forum was in with her, is a grad, and has been fighting AARC for years.  Steve Lebaron was in with her, but he's dead.  The male oldcomer who assaulted her in his bedroom has kept kind of a low profile with regard to AARC, but I'm curious as to what he said to you.  Natalie Oldcomer probably has a different opinion of AARC from that of my wife, but then again she allowed herself to be put into an adolescent facility as a full-grown adult.  In fact, my wife and yet another grad who was in with her were debating as to just how far past twenty-one Natalie was when she entered AARC.  AARC's client base was much smaller when my wife was held there than it is now, but at least half a dozen of those who were held there while she was there are active opponents of AARC.  That doesn't seem to jive with your statement that her stories don't check out with any other grads who were in AARC with her.  In fact, last summer my wife ran into a young man who had been in AARC with her.  His wife was urging him to get psychological help to deal with the damage done to him in AARC.  When you spoke to him, what did he say?  I'd tell you to talk to my wife's former clinical, but like every other clinical staffer who wasn't a former client or relative of the Wiz, she is long gone.

Natalie oldcomer has more going for in her little finger than your wife will ever have, period it. Like Vause you have never met her or know any truth about her. She is a commendable young woman that took responsibility for her life and went through the hard process of recovery without coming out blaming and whining for decades after. Attcking her is another BIG stretch to find fault with - what age she went into AARC??? LOL . It would have been when she was approx. 19 since she is 11 years sober at 29or30. So, what is youe ridiculous point about her age. The point is that she doesn't whine and snivel and expect her husband to attack some agency for her because she got called on all her sick BS. she went through the same place around the same time as your wife it sounds and she certainly doesn't cry  - torture and abuse . It seems ridiculous to speak of her while speaking of your wife because Natalie is leagues ahead in terms of health and contribution to society. Your wife will continue to be a drain

And the hearsay about other clients? keep fostering your tabloid aspirations, vinny.

[ajax13]

Again, you claim to have spoken to all of the grads who were in AARC with my wife.  That seems at odds with the fact that the originator of AARCSurvivor is a grad, and was in with my wife.  Did she have a favorable opinoin of AARC when you spoke to her?  Natalie Oldcomer was over twenty-one when she went into AARC, an adolescent treatment centre.  Another curious thing about AARC.  My wife has a number of pictures taken at the centre from her time in AARC.  One is of Natalie Oldcomer indulging an addiction that AARC fosters, smoking.  As smoking is considered generally, to be a deadly habit, why do you suppose a recovery centre that prohibits the use of a less dangerous drug, marijuana, but encourages smoking?  But I digress.  If neither medical professionals, nor journalists would believe me, what compels you time after time to try to shut me up?  Particularly if you think I'm just a sicko with no basis to what I say.  If there's overwhelming evidence to the contrary of what I say, why bother?  After all, it's just my lone wolf wife and me, right?

[Anonymous]

Again, you claim to have spoken to all of the grads who were in AARC with my wife.  That seems at odds with the fact that the originator of AARCSurvivor is a grad, and was in with my wife.  Did she have a favorable opinoin of AARC when you spoke to her?  Natalie Oldcomer was over twenty-one when she went into AARC, an adolescent treatment centre.  Another curious thing about AARC.  My wife has a number of pictures taken at the centre from her time in AARC.  One is of Natalie Oldcomer indulging an addiction that AARC fosters, smoking.  As smoking is considered generally, to be a deadly habit, why do you suppose a recovery centre that prohibits the use of a less dangerous drug, marijuana, but encourages smoking?  But I digress.  If neither medical professionals, nor journalists would believe me, what compels you time after time to try to shut me up?  Particularly if you think I'm just a sicko with no basis to what I say.  If there's overwhelming evidence to the contrary of what I say, why bother?  After all, it's just my lone wolf wife and me, right?

Guess you are going to have to dig that up for me, you swwet thing. i do not recall saying I have spoken to "all" the clients that were in AARC at the time your sick woman was. Incidentally what is it about sick exactly that is soo attractive as ooposed to woman like Natalie or Janne who came out the other end from some very destructive addictions (with the help of AARC). you instead like the ones that refused to acknowledge their addiction and moan about being a victim.  You don't qwuite realize that is CLASSIC for an addict to do if they  are in denial and refuse to get real. Your wife seemed more able to continue to treat her family harshly because verything that is wrong in her life is ALWAYS due to others (people, places or things as they say). VERY CLASSIC tactics by someone such as wour wife and by proxy, YOU!!!

[Anonymous]

PS: uhm no, it is not your lone wolf wife and you anymore BECAUSE you and others you have infected continue to try and enlist other graduates, some successfully and others basically tell ya to go get well somewhere.

you also try to enlist others from news agencies and elsewhere to your cause. Hoepfully those people would be a bit less naive BUT those that don't understand addiction will be taken right in by it.

[Anonymous]

PS: uhm no, it is not your lone wolf wife and you anymore BECAUSE you and others you have infected continue to try and enlist other graduates, some successfully and others basically tell ya to go get well somewhere.

It really doesn't take any kind of enlisting.  It's fairly obvious that Vause's education is dubious, at best.  It's totally obvious that AARC is pretty much a carbon copy of KIDS which was a carbon copy of Straight.  It's totally obvious that AARC is misleading parents and the Canadian government as to what exactly it is that they provide to their students.  I mean patients.  Are they a treatment center with patients or a school with students?  

you also try to enlist others from news agencies and elsewhere to your cause.

Yep.  So what?  Its about time someone shined the light on these cockroaches.

 

Hoepfully those people would be a bit less naive BUT those that don't understand addiction will be taken right in by it.

Depends on what definition of addiction you're using, Vause's or the AMA's.  Vause is claiming addiction in kids that cannot possibly be "addicted" in any sense at all.  Addiction is not a "disease of the feelings" like Newton and Vause claim.  True addiction is a physical dependence on a chemical.  Do you seriously want to try and convince people that these weekend warrior kids in AARC are actually ADDICTS?

Does Vause ever use the term dry druggie?  Or druggie tendencies?

[Anonymous]

PS: uhm no, it is not your lone wolf wife and you anymore BECAUSE you and others you have infected continue to try and enlist other graduates, some successfully and others basically tell ya to go get well somewhere.

It really doesn't take any kind of enlisting.  It's fairly obvious that Vause's education is dubious, at best.  It's totally obvious that AARC is pretty much a carbon copy of KIDS which was a carbon copy of Straight.  It's totally obvious that AARC is misleading parents and the Canadian government as to what exactly it is that they provide to their students.  I mean patients.  Are they a treatment center with patients or a school with students?  

When the hell has AARC ever said it is a school??? I suppose because they provide highschool tutoring for clients they are a school??  they provide a gym and basketball court, does that make them a recration centre?

As far as Vause's education being dubious. What qualifies you to make that statement. Do you have a PhD?

you also try to enlist others from news agencies and elsewhere to your cause.

Yep.  So what?  Its about time someone shined the light on these cockroaches.

And Vinny's fav guest is doing the same. so, what's up with the bad rap he's getting?  But as far as enlisting others, they are fucking with people' wellbeing whether the cockroaches know it or not.  They are toxic

 

Hoepfully those people would be a bit less naive BUT those that don't understand addiction will be taken right in by it.

Depends on what definition of addiction you're using, Vause's or the AMA's.  Vause is claiming addiction in kids that cannot possibly be "addicted" in any sense at all.  Addiction is not a "disease of the feelings" like Newton and Vause claim.  True addiction is a physical dependence on a chemical.  Do you seriously want to try and convince people that these weekend warrior kids in AARC are actually ADDICTS?

Does Vause ever use the term dry druggie?  Or druggie tendencies?

Oh DUH . . and Vause doesn't know what addicion is and he doesn't think addiction is a physical dependence - you are as lame as ajax13. do you think maybe when he is talking about 'disease of the feeling' he JUST MIGHT be talking about symptoms. This just goes to show the lack to understnading that some of you have. Also, no matter what does or doesn't do or says or doesn't say - you bring it here and twist it in a way that suits the purpose of blaming AARC for lack of education andmental health.   . . .

Guess Vause should add some professionalism to the ay he speaks to the clients, those REAL sensitve ones because he should watch out for their feeeeeeeelings. oh ya, it is NOT a disease of the feelings  . . sorry   :wall:

[Anonymous]

Are they clients or patients?  Is AARC a school or a treatment center?

[Anonymous]

When the hell has AARC ever said it is a school??? I suppose because they provide highschool tutoring for clients they are a school??  they provide a gym and basketball court, does that make them a recration centre?

I was asking what it was billed as.  Thanks for the answer.  It's a treatment center then, no?

As far as Vause's education being dubious. What qualifies you to make that statement. Do you have a PhD?

Why would I need a PhD to question someone's education credentials?

And Vinny's fav guest is doing the same. so, what's up with the bad rap he's getting?  But as far as enlisting others, they are fucking with people' wellbeing whether the cockroaches know it or not.  They are toxic [/color]

Vinny's fav guest is welcome to say anything he wishes.  As is Ajax.  As far as the second sentence.....english motherfucker.  Do you speak it?

Oh DUH . . and Vause doesn't know what addicion is and he doesn't think addiction is a physical dependence -

Well, yes.  We can agree on that.

do you think maybe when he is talking about 'disease of the feeling' he JUST MIGHT be talking about symptoms.

No.  I think he's using it the same way that Newton did when he coined that phrase.

 

This just goes to show the lack to understnading that some of you have. Also, no matter what does or doesn't do or says or doesn't say - you bring it here and twist it in a way that suits the purpose of blaming AARC for lack of education andmental health.   . . .

If they're claiming to be a treatment center, I want to know the qualifications and methodologies they use.  How is that concept so foreign to you?

Guess Vause should add some professionalism to the ay he speaks to the clients, those REAL sensitve ones because he should watch out for their feeeeeeeelings. oh ya, it is NOT a disease of the feelings  . . sorry   :wall:

Well, no shit.  Tell that to Vause.